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messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by EDOldie 24 July, 2017 17:13

Just checked to OS map of 1870 and I was correct. The Crown was on the same site as the current pub. The arches are an architectural feature on the Dulwich Estate often attributed to George Tappen who was the Estate Architect. If you look you'll see quite a few examples around Dulwich and in the Village in particular. I would get out more but I'm waiting for them to deliver the latest Dulwich Society magazine.

messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by rendelharris 24 July, 2017 17:19

Properly confused now, as found another site which says the C&G was built on the site of the Crown, but the same site has this picture of the Crown:

http://i.imgur.com/w6woO1C.jpg

Surely not enough room for the current 1905 building?

messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by rendelharris 24 July, 2017 17:21

Crossposted, your evidence seems conclusive but there still seem to be anomalies...odd.

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Posted by EDOldie 26 July, 2017 09:34

I have seen that image before but that is the pub that was there before this one. In the background to the right you'll see the distinctive mansard roof of the old diary which is now Roca. The pub was almost certainly another coaching inn along with the Greyhound so would have had large grounds, stables etc. On the OS map it looks like the gardens went right back to Court Lane. At that time of course all the land was held on lease from the Dulwich Estate and they may well have much more detailed plans of how the Village was laid out in those days.

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messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by rendelharris 26 July, 2017 12:28

Cheers I see. Been looking more into it - apparently the Crown was knocked down and rebuilt, then the landlord of the Greyhound moved to the Crown before it (Greyhound) was knocked down and took the name with him to keep his clientele. Bet the new building was up in less time than the refurb took!

messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by skylorikeet 26 July, 2017 13:44

There was a book about local pubs published last year which will have the story of how the Crown and the Greyhound became the Dog.
[www.hernehillsociety.org.uk]

messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by Mick Mac 27 July, 2017 16:36

EDOldie Wrote:
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> I have seen that image before but that is the pub
> that was there before this one. In the background
> to the right you'll see the distinctive mansard
> roof of the old diary which is now Roca. The pub
> was almost certainly another coaching inn along
> with the Greyhound so would have had large
> grounds, stables etc. On the OS map it looks like
> the gardens went right back to Court Lane. At that
> time of course all the land was held on lease from
> the Dulwich Estate and they may well have much
> more detailed plans of how the Village was laid
> out in those days.

What a great pic!

messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by Mick Mac 24 September, 2017 15:23

Any, more positive feedback on the Dog. Looked super busy today as I cycled past, seems to be thriving.

messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by malumbu 25 September, 2017 12:31

Just go in an check the place out yourself!

I'll probably give it a body swerve as there are places more suitable to my tastes. I'm struggling to remember many refurbs that improved a pub from my perspective but others tend to disagree. Nobody has assessed it on Beer in the Evening which is always a bad sign.

Compare [www.beerintheevening.com] with [www.beerintheevening.com]

messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by snowy 25 September, 2017 14:23

Coincidentally popped in for a pint yesterday afternoon (limited beer choices). It was relatively busy, but fewer people eating than I was anticipating. Not going to be racing back, but it's good to know its there and not permanently lost to residential/retail.

messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by DovertheRoad 25 September, 2017 16:51

Mick Mac Wrote:
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> Any, more positive feedback on the Dog. Looked
> super busy today as I cycled past, seems to be
> thriving.

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by Mick Mac 25 September, 2017 18:20

malumbu Wrote:
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> Just go in an check the place out yourself!
>
> I'll probably give it a body swerve as there are
> places more suitable to my tastes.

If it was on my doorstep I would have no doubt tried it by now, i'm no stranger to a pub. But I like to know that if a pub is quiet, or crap, I can move to another nearby, which with this one you can't.

I just hoped it had improved from its teething problems on re-opening - out of general interest.

But having now checked tripadvisor - its seems to be awful.....still - what a shame

[www.tripadvisor.co.uk]

messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by Sue 25 September, 2017 18:37

Crikey those reviews are bad.

The manager keeps responding that things will improve, but these are ongoing issues, aren't they?

Do they not carry out any staff training at all?

messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by Wimpole 25 September, 2017 20:07

To run at 2.5 stars average on Trip Advisor is actually quite hard. You have to be proper crap to maintain that.

messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by rendelharris 25 September, 2017 20:29

Interesting that one one star reviewer wrote:

"Last Friday ordered fish cakes which were revolting and the staff beyond incompetent. On Thursday had burger and a steak which was good and the lady at the bar who had started that day was excellent."

And the manager replied:

"It is great to here [sic] that the bar service you had was excellent. Its always good to know that the efforts of our team are being appreciated. Our staff are expected to ensure your visit is the best possible, and so your praises will be relayed to the whole team. I am also pleased that the food was to your liking, although I am sorry that other aspects of your visit were not."

It's not only crocodiles that live in denial...

messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by NewWave 26 September, 2017 23:04

Just read the reviews...Sad that they obviously haven't taken any of the earlier critcism on board.
The menu is dated (like something from a Harvister circa 1977) uninspiring and overpriced-we have never been tempted to eat there because of it and judging by those reviews I feel we had a lucky escape.
the staff are still hopeless, the selection of drinks on offer are disappointing and also overpriced.
What a waste of a lovely venue.

messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by Sue 02 October, 2017 12:52

This is from the home page of their website:

The Crown & Greyhound is an iconic South London pub, ahead of the game in providing the perfect setting for a unique and memorable drinking and dining experience.

Whether it’s a relaxed lunch, a sumptuous Sunday roast, an indulgent dinner or lazy brunch, we offer an enticing and flavoursome menu, focusing on provenance, local suppliers and the freshest of British seasonal ingredients.

Our diverse and explorative drinks range includes well-kept cask ales, craft beers, premium lagers and ciders, a seriously seductive wine list and an exceptional selection of artisan spirits – all served in our laid-back yet vibrant pub atmosphere, complete with authentic interior, outdoor barbecue area and delightful urban beer garden.

Our dedicated team are committed to first class service and look forward to welcoming you and helping you unwind…



Pity they don't put as much care and inventiveness into their actual food and service big grin

messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by cactus 02 October, 2017 14:53

The manager's comments on Trip Advisor are hilarious, a bit Teresa Mayish.
Whatever people say, he just gives them the same stock response and never addresses the specific issue!

messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by JohnL 02 October, 2017 15:28

Serving in order at the bar - gawd this annoys people.

I waved my hands above my head at another pub once shouting "me, me, me" .. they took it all in jest smiling smiley

messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by NewWave 15 October, 2017 23:10

Sue Wrote:
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> This is from the home page of their website:
>
> The Crown & Greyhound is an iconic South London
> pub, ahead of the game in providing the perfect
> setting for a unique and memorable drinking and
> dining experience.
>
After reading the reviews its unique and memorable for all the wrong reasons.

messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by Ferrs11 19 October, 2017 21:40

Leaving aside the pub's current reviews, at least its open, and if you want to know about the history of it have a look at the book 'The Pubs of Dulwich and Herne Hill' published last year and available in the Village Stationers in Dulwich Village. Unfortunately it does not cover East Dulwich, but it is very informative on all the ones in Herne Hill and Dulwich Village.

messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by DovertheRoad 23 October, 2017 07:29

It's a grand location, a decent refurb and you'd almost feel ok paying their current food prices if the staff were actually trained and the food was more than average. The burger (£14.50) is a prime example of how diners at the Dog are helping to financially subsidise M&B's unit losses during refit /closure. The exact same burger can be had at The Phoenix, Denmark Hill for £11.95. A difference of over 20%.

I'd add that the staff at The Phoenix are helpful, proactive, seem to know their own name, what day it is and where the menus are.

Baffling how they could get this site so wrong.



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messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by Mick Mac 23 October, 2017 11:22

DovertheRoad Wrote:
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> It's a grand location, a decent refurb and you'd
> almost feel ok paying their current food prices if
> the staff were actually trained and the food was
> more than average. The burger (£14.50) is a prime
> example of how diners at the Dog are helping to
> financially subsidise M&B's unit losses during
> refit /closure. The exact same burger can be had
> at The Phoenix, Denmark Hill for £11.95. A
> difference of over 20%.
>


A very good example of analysing what the local demographic can afford, and shafting them. Bend over when you walk in the door.....

messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by JohnL 23 October, 2017 11:37

DovertheRoad Wrote:
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> I'd add that the staff at The Phoenix are helpful,
> proactive, seem to know their own name, what day
> it is and where the menus are.


When staff give conflicting messages it's usually a management issue in my experience.

Sounds almost like they're being told conflicting things.

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messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by malumbu 23 October, 2017 13:13

About a fiver for a burger and a pint in Wetherspoons. What's not to like?

messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by Mick Mac 23 October, 2017 13:45

malumbu Wrote:
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> About a fiver for a burger and a pint in
> Wetherspoons. What's not to like?

its along walk from Dulwich Village

messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by DulwichFox 23 October, 2017 13:49

Mick Mac Wrote:
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> malumbu Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > About a fiver for a burger and a pint in
> > Wetherspoons. What's not to like?
>
> its along walk from Dulwich Village


You could get a cab with the money you would save.

..and not everyone lives in The Village.

If you live in East Dulwich like I do Wetherspoons is nearer.

Foxy



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messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by rahrahrah 16 January, 2018 09:57

DovertheRoad Wrote:
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> It's a grand location, a decent refurb and you'd
> almost feel ok paying their current food prices if
> the staff were actually trained and the food was
> more than average. The burger (£14.50) is a prime
> example of how diners at the Dog are helping to
> financially subsidise M&B's unit losses during
> refit /closure. The exact same burger can be had
> at The Phoenix, Denmark Hill for £11.95. A
> difference of over 20%.
>
> I'd add that the staff at The Phoenix are helpful,
> proactive, seem to know their own name, what day
> it is and where the menus are.
>
> Baffling how they could get this site so wrong.

I haven't had the food and tbh, I'm unlikely to go to the dog to eat - but for a quick drink on the way from / to the park I think it's great. Decent selection of beers - I have found the bar staff friendly and efficient.

messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by Robert Poste's Child 16 January, 2018 13:13

Have they stopped doing proper fires? For me that was the big attraction as I'm not a pub-goer usually, but every time I've looked in this winter there has been no fire.

messageRe: Crown and Greyhound (Dog)
Posted by EDOldie 16 January, 2018 13:15

rahrahrah Wrote:
>
> I haven't had the food and tbh, I'm unlikely to go
> to the dog to eat - but for a quick drink on the
> way from / to the park I think it's great. Decent
> selection of beers - I have found the bar staff
> friendly and efficient.

Sure it was the right pub? That sounds like the EDT

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