Jump to content

BREXIT: Why so personal?


TheCat

Recommended Posts

Warning: another BREXIT thread.....


...but with a slightly different focus. Rather than debate the for's and against as have been done ad nauseum, I wonder why it is that Brexit has become so personal? (versus many other very passionate political debates) Why is there such distrust, animosity and one-up-manship between leavers and remainers?


I admit to being drawn into this also, having had quite heated conversations with real friends and social media friends alike.


I know it is a big decisions, huge, and this ignites passions, but why such acrimony and an inability of many on both sides of the fence to even appreciate (even if they disagree with) the opposing arguments?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Because many remainers expect to be hit hard (job losses, inflation)

- whether that's true or not - it's what they believe and at the same

time many leavers feel immigration is destroying their community.


I remember the same sort of acrimony during the Miners strike.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Surely vested interest on both sides of the argument make it intrinsically personal. And it's looking like an irreversible move, so more significant than other elections/referendums (in England at least) in memory.


Then the remainers accusing leavers of shady motives (ignorance, nationalism, xenophobia). And leavers resenting being called ignorant racists...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Because it's not just a discussion, both sides know that the outcome will have real and long lasting repercussions, and are really frustrated that the other side doesn't see the dangers... guess we'll just have to wait to see who gets to say 'told you so' as the country flourishes/plunges into the abyss.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

The Question has nothing to do with why the nation choose to leave..


The Question is why we ever joined in the first place..


The UK .. a tiny group of countries / islands.. was for centuaries the most powerful place on Earth.

The Steel industry.. The Coal Industry.. The Ship Building Industry.. Cars.. motorcycles..


Then we joined Europe.. and it's been down hill ever since.. 40 years.. We cannot survive another 40 years..

We get Patriotic about Sport. Football.. Rugby.. Cricket.. Olympics.. Well there is nothing wrong with that..

it is NOT Racist. Nor is it Racist to be financially Patriotic..


DulwichFox

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Wow. So no industrial decline from the 50s onwards? Motorcycle industry was dead before joining the then EEC and cars we made (and have driven many of them) pathetic.


Read a history book. There have been good times and bad. Even at our height the Germans and US were knocking at our door with, quite often, superior production and technology.


And that is not even going into the way we used trade barriers, embargos, tarifs and colonisation.


Definitely the most Little England comment I've seen for a long time. Can anyone beat that?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

why so personal?


Probably because it's irreversible and the stakes are so high.


I think it gets to the root of people's sense of identity and vision for the future (for themselves, the country, and even the world as a whole). That's quite a powerful mix.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'm not so angry at the voters, much ignorance on either side is forgivable


But the politicians, like Farrage, Johnson, Gove and the biggest cutn of all them all Cameron. It's them I spit at whenever the TV shows their faces, they led this and took stupid and badly calculated risks. And for that they need shooting in the faces with a sawn off.


Weakness, lies and a nasty fanning of Nationalism has divided this country.


And yes, it's effected my business.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Sea bags comment is fair. I am a Brexit voter. But I agree that it's too complicated for the public to decide. Even ITG a massive civil department, it's going to be tricky. So know one knows, and if you don't like uncertainty, then Brexit is not good
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Seabag Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------


> But the politicians, like Farrage, Johnson, Gove

> and the biggest cutn of all them all Cameron. It's

> them I spit at whenever the TV shows their faces,

> they led this and took stupid and badly calculated

> risks. And for that they need shooting in the

> faces with a sawn off.


Not to mention May and Corbyn, who were essentially Fifth Columnists.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Jeremy Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Surely vested interest on both sides of the

> argument make it intrinsically personal. And it's

> looking like an irreversible move, so more

> significant than other elections/referendums (in

> England at least) in memory.

>

> Then the remainers accusing leavers of shady

> motives (ignorance, nationalism, xenophobia). And

> leavers resenting being called ignorant racists...



This





???? Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Because 52% of the pop have been labelled thick

> racists

>

> and 48% as cry baby elites

>

> Both a bit laughable



And this



I admit in the immediate aftermath I felt angry at people who had voted us out.




What I think is causing a lot of the problems now, is the sneering attitude of certain remainers like David Davis, as well as rags like The Sun. There has been zero effort to build bridges and reassure those with real concerns. Instead they are being called moaners / unpatriotic and all sorts of other nonsense.


We need high profile people from both sides to come out and talk like grown ups, reassuring people, and saying that actually it IS okay to voice doubts and hold a government to account over what is effectively the biggest thing to happen to a UK government in years and years and years.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

All he said was that everything you posted above (to the extent it was factual) was wrong, as a matter of verifiable history. He wasn't the only one to say that, because it was wrong. The idea that the UK in 1973 was 'the most powerful place on Earth' or was a world leader in the industries that you cite is so wrong that it's laughable.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Otta Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------


> What I think is causing a lot of the problems now,

> is the sneering attitude of certain remainers like

> David Davis, as well as rags like The Sun. There

> has been zero effort to build bridges and reassure

> those with real concerns. Instead they are being

> called moaners / unpatriotic and all sorts of

> other nonsense.


Agree, I like to think that had it been a close vote in favour of Remain, the Gov would've taken on board the concerns of the Leavers. At the moment it feels like we'll get a Hard Brexit, something that such a close vote didn't warrant...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Latest Discussions

    • Of course, people's experiences may vary, but I'm afraid I can't recommend the DMC on Crystal Palace Rd.
    • Option 1.  Let them go bust.  Government takes over, until an appropriate solution found.  This happens with failing train operating companies  Option 2.  Anyone who made money on the privatisation, or their immediate descendants, bail them out  Obviously the latter isn't going to happen but makes me feel better/superior. What do you reckon?  Big picture.  Small picture as I posted elsewhere is that they were good when we had a leaking main.  And of course mass redundancies need to be avoided.
    • Hi my mum has a lovely frenchi , he needs to be walked , as mum (80) is a bit fragile . he is a lovely dog , a bit nervous when around other dogs . Mum lives in East Dulwich . how much do you charge ?   Thanks 🙏🏼 
    • Plenty for sale online from various ticket vendors but you'll need to part with £250 and upwards by the looks of it. Out of interest i kept an eye on the prices for the England and Italy Euro final. At one point they were on offer for a couple of grand each. On the day sellers were obviously getting itchy feet and prices dropped somewhat but never went any lower than £400. That was a few hours before kick off. There was plenty still available half an hour before kick off.   Having been to Wembley a couple of times for play off finals i found it to be not a great place to watch football. Sat three rows back from the pitch side advertising hoardings for one game and way way up in the gods for the other. We felt to far away from the pitch on both occasions. Up in the goods was just stupid because we felt cut off as well.  I don't think it was rebuilt with acoustics in mind either. Even with most of our 25k fans singing it never sounded loud because it's pretty much uncovered and too open.   Happy hunting!
Home
Events
Sign In

Sign In



Or sign in with one of these services

Search
×
    Search In
×
×
  • Create New...