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messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by rendelharris 19 November, 2016 22:20

Dogkennelhillbilly Wrote:
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> You don't have a right to other people's
> conversations. What an overblown sense of
> entitlement you people have. If you don't speak
> the language I feel like speaking to someone
> that's not you, you don't get to hear it. This is
> one of the most linguistically diverse cities on
> earth. You're not going to get far huffing and
> puffing and insisting that other people only speak
> a language that you know when you're around.

There are valid arguments on both sides here, but I think most people would say that when you're providing a personal service such as barbering to someone a) your focus should be on your client, not on chatting with your workmate and b) you shouldn't make your client feel uncomfortable wondering if they're being slagged in a language they can't understand over their heads. On a bus, in a pub, on the street, by all means speak any language you wish and nobody has a right to say otherwise, if you're being paid to provide a service and you're capable of speaking the client's language I'd say it's common courtesy to use it.

Paris is one of the most amusing places for this - having been brought up for a few years on the continent my French is reasonably good, it's always fun to listen for a bit to waiters being rude about the English tourists then start speaking to them in French...though nothing on earth will puncture the arrogance of a Parisian waiter!

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by drewd 19 November, 2016 23:40

The post with the Black Spot sign inserted is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in a very long time. Did this forum do some kind of deal with the Daily Express to double up as one of their comments pages?

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by camberwell70 19 November, 2016 23:44

I do my own hair.

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by pop9770 20 November, 2016 11:24

A little disturbing is there a darker side to consider here? apologists ..

At what point is it reasonable / acceptable to stop someone making excuses for bigotry?

It does appear to me that the elephant in the barbershop is something very few want to discuss highlight or acknowledge

1. Do many on here think these barbers are accepting of our laws values and freedoms just jokers?
2. Or do they see them as bigots full of hatred of our liberal culture, a serious elitist problem?
3. Or a grey area somewhere between the two simply a lack of knowledge, uneducated bigotry?

Our beliefs are at the core of who we are and how we see others .. elitist belief systems appear to be at the heart of these issues..

Such problems have little hope of being resolved if open discussion is stifled by misplaced political correctness
a worrying problem that exposes a double standard ..

A mad mix of ideology and culture makes for an interesting society that's for sure, sadly it doesn't make for a comfortable or safe world.

Elitism is truly the enemy of all humanity, be it the liberal elitism shown in some posts here or the elitism at the barbershop.. no excuse for either imho .

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by monica 20 November, 2016 11:32

Seriously this thread has gone off the rails. Hillbilly unless you have been brought up in a bi lingual house where you are taught to speak one language at home and english everywhere else outside the home, then you have no idea what you are going on about.I have been speaking English and Italian from a very young age, If i want to speak english in front of non Italian speakers, then I will continue to do so. You have a very arrogant attitude, and who are you people??? What do you mean by you people????
You are very rude and seriously need to wind your neck in. I came on here to help console the op, and all i get is crap from you. Back off


Dogkennelhillbilly Wrote:
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> monica Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Excuse me!!! I guess your not polite then, I am
> bi
> > lingual and would never speak Italian in front
> on
> > people who do not understand the language. So no
> I
> > am not talking rubbish. Eeejit
>
> You don't have a right to other people's
> conversations. What an overblown sense of
> entitlement you people have. If you don't speak
> the language I feel like speaking to someone
> that's not you, you don't get to hear it. This is
> one of the most linguistically diverse cities on
> earth. You're not going to get far huffing and
> puffing and insisting that other people only speak
> a language that you know when you're around.

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Sue 20 November, 2016 12:07

Louisa Wrote:
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>
>
> Foxy I do agree the world has become P.C. mad, and
> I'm sure in certain circumstances the use of
> certain words is all about context and who is
> using them. Not every single person using an
> offensive word is knowingly being nasty about a
> group of people. However, in this day and age,
> with everything that has gone on and in the world
> it would be incredibly naive for an individual who
> is not part of any said minority, to then use a
> phrase which has become synonymous with racism and
> far right groups, and then hold their hands up and
> say "not me guv", wouldn't you agree? If a
> Pakistani friend of theirs was getting their
> haircut in the barbers and they used the phrase to
> him and everyone laughed it would be an entirely
> different context, arguably.
>
> On the topic of Sue I do have to agree though,
> every time I say or do anything these days Sue
> seems to disagree with me for whatever reason.
> Even when I'm being impassioned on a topic that
> means something to me. The burger joint 'look at
> me' thread being a perfect example of this. I dot
> think she often agrees with me or you on anything.
> I know it's all fun and games on the forum, but
> just a genuine observation. Sue, would you like to
> comment?
>


Yes I'll comment.

My comment is that everybody can see what you, Fox and I have said on any thread on here.

They can make their own minds up if they can be bothered.

It's ridiculous to say that I would disagree with anybody for the sake of it, however it is true that some posters do seem to make quite frequent posts that I disagree with.

That's got nothing to do with the person. It's got everything to do with the content of their posts.

If you think otherwise, then do feel free to give some specific examples. Perhaps you could start a separate thread about how you think you and Fox are being "persecuted" just because you are you, rather than on the basis of your views as expressed on here.

I don't think this thread is an appropriate place for it.

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Sue 20 November, 2016 12:13

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> I would not expect Sue to understand or agree with
> me on any subject even if I said The Ivy House was
> a great place
> Sue would simply see DulwichFox and the Ivy House
> and assume I was slagging it off.


How ridiculous.

Are you suggesting I respond to your posts without reading them?

You do seem to post a lot of things I don't agree with, but I'm disagreeing with the content of your posts. It is not personal.

Why do you need to turn it into something about you?

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Tuffstuff100 20 November, 2016 12:15

Now now - let's all play fairly.

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Bic Basher 20 November, 2016 13:37

Can this thread be lounged again? It's become even more ridiculous than the original post.

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Sue 20 November, 2016 14:32

Bic Basher Wrote:
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> Can this thread be lounged again? It's become
> even more ridiculous than the original post.


The original post was not ridiculous.

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by JohnL 20 November, 2016 15:48

rendelharris Wrote:
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>
> Paris is one of the most amusing places for this -
> having been brought up for a few years on the
> continent my French is reasonably good, it's
> always fun to listen for a bit to waiters being
> rude about the English tourists then start
> speaking to them in French...though nothing on
> earth will puncture the arrogance of a Parisian
> waiter!

But if this Wiki is true they have to speak french
by law

[en.wikipedia.org]

Being rude is just the Paris thing smiling smiley

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by edcam 20 November, 2016 17:33

What was ridiculous about the original post, BicBasher? This barber seems like a dick and I'm glad of the warning.

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Bic Basher 20 November, 2016 22:44

edcam Wrote:
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> What was ridiculous about the original post,
> BicBasher? This barber seems like a dick and I'm
> glad of the warning.

We've had anecdotal evidence and no real proof that it's pandemic across the board. I've visited Mem's elsewhere where they've been perfectly fine and I'm not exactly an alpha male.

It's another one of those daft EDF threads that goes off on a tangent which turns into yet another xenophobic rant over nothing. At least in The Lounge, the banality can continue.

If the OP has a genuine issue with the business, he should complain to the owner directly.

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Jah Lush 20 November, 2016 22:50

Dear Basher,

This thread has grown legs and silly ones at that. I agree with your assertion that this thread is headed for The Lounge where it deserves to rot like a corpse.

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by pop9770 21 November, 2016 08:09

Lounge it yea (because closing down the conversation is always a "solution")
This thread reminds me of this comment

"Liberals & socialists want to shutdown Trump they're acting like he is going to kill gays,make slavery legal again and take away women's rights...
Like he's a Muslim or something.."

It's a mad world .. offensive on so many levels ..

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Jim1234 21 November, 2016 08:19

Bic Basher Wrote:
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> If the OP has a genuine issue with the business,
> he should complain to the owner directly.

I did this and haven't heard back. However I also wanted to warn others of what happened and get feedback as to how to take things forward, hence this post.

I too am confused by the way this thread went, mind. I'm amazed by how rude, hateful and argumentative people are online. I'm sure these same people would never speak to each other this way in real life.

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Jah Lush 21 November, 2016 10:47

pop9770 Wrote:
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> Lounge it yea (because closing down the
> conversation is always a "solution")

Lounging it doesn't close down the conversation. Just moves it to a different area of the forum.

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Administrator 21 November, 2016 11:23

And on that note I shall move this to the Lounge.

There is an excellent BBC Seriously podcast entitled No Platform [www.bbc.co.uk] (or look up Seriously on your podcast app). There is an especially interesting bit about 40 mins in about vindictive protectionism, where some people have the attitude that "I'm on the side of the virtuous but can't generally let out my dark side therefore I'm going to look out for someone who's not and lay into them, because I can, especially on line" and also people who look out for things to be offended by, almost a competitive virtuousness.

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messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by pop9770 21 November, 2016 13:32

Jah Lush Wrote:
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> Lounging it doesn't close down the conversation.
> Just moves it to a different area of the forum.

Yes that's true I stand corrected.

Administrator Wrote:
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> There is an excellent BBC Seriously podcast
> entitled No Platform
> [www.bbc.co.uk] (or look
> up Seriously on your podcast app). There is an
> especially interesting bit about 40 mins in about
> vindictive protectionism, where some people have
> the attitude that "I'm on the side of the virtuous
> but can't generally let out my dark side therefore
> I'm going to look out for someone who's not and
> lay into them, because I can, especially on line"
> and also people who look out for things to be
> offended by, almost a competitive virtuousness.

Excellent Thank You

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by JohnL 21 November, 2016 13:45

pop9770 Wrote:
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> "Liberals & socialists want to shutdown Trump
> they're acting like he is going to kill gays,make
> slavery legal again and take away women's
> rights...


Nah, That's Pence - don't any of you touch Trump smiling smiley

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by steveo 21 November, 2016 14:02

Swimming slightly against the tide this morning I popped into Mems for a trim. The chaps seemed to be having a row about whether to use bleach on the back step or not but I couldn't detect any casual racism or homophobia and they are eight quid cheaper than next door

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by JohnL 21 November, 2016 14:09

As long as it wasn't your hair they were talking about.

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by DulwichFox 21 November, 2016 14:10

I would love to go in and test the water.. But am now torn between a haircut and letting it grow..

Foxy

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by steveo 21 November, 2016 14:26

'Bleach 'im innit.'

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by pop9770 22 November, 2016 13:10

Blimey sad smiley
"bleach on the back step"
is that like "bleaching the back door/s" ?
haha
or am I getting all confused
hilarious


Fox sounds like the perfect place for you,,, if want to get you back step bleached ;)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was 2016:11:22:13:31:15 by pop9770.

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Mick Mac 22 November, 2016 15:49

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> I would love to go in and test the water.. But am
> now torn between a haircut and letting it grow..
>
> Foxy


Let it grow....
Let it grow....

(sing to tune)

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Jah Lush 22 November, 2016 16:13

You mean that Eric Clapton song, don't you?

That coont never did apologise for his disgusting racist outburst in in '76.

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by DulwichFox 22 November, 2016 16:28

pop9770 Wrote:
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> Blimey sad smiley
> "bleach on the back step"
> is that like "bleaching the back door/s" ?
> haha
> or am I getting all confused
> hilarious
>
>
> Fox sounds like the perfect place for you,,, if
> want to get you back step bleached ;)

Lutfen, Benim arka adımsi kastarlayabiliyor musunuz (ı = i with no dot. Not displayable on here.)

Please can you bleach my back step..

Is about as close as I can get.. not sure about the grammar.

Foxy



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messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Seabag 22 November, 2016 20:49

Devem bir diş fırçası arıyor, annesi paketi koymayı unuttu. O korkunç bir anne. Bir gün onu yiyeceğiz.

With a flat bread of course.

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by DulwichFox January 11, 01:46PM

Went to Mems Barbers today..

There were two barbers working today...
There was no loud conversation between them but much polite conversation between the barbers and their customers.

My barber was new. (been there 3 weeks) but I believe he had come from one of their other 3 shops.
He was from Algeria and a very pleasant soft spoken fella. He spent 20-25 mins on my hair with close attention to detail.
I got a great haircut to my requirements and was charged £8.00. Usual cost for a scissor cut £14.00.
But I'm of that certain age. Gave him a Tenner and he was happy..

Maybe there have been changes (due to complaints) ??? but I can only give praise to this place.

Nice comfortable leather sofas. TV with sound turned down/off.

Would personally recommend Mems..

DulwichFox

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