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messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Suffer-not 15 November, 2016 09:48

Jah Lush Wrote:
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I've found a very nice chap at bottom of
> Melbourne Grove near the station who I now use
> regularly and highly recommend.

I went to that guy a few times ( after Ken on NCR retired) as he usually didnt have a queue. Now I know why!

He fails to do what you tell him -despite me emphasising the requirements on several different ocasions. He does the same job whatever you ask him ie a 1940's haircut that is verging on short back and sides. He seems incapable of a moderate cut that is left out over the ear. It's not a language issue as he speaks quite good English. I moved elsewhere because of this.

It's a sign of the times though that appears every barber in ED is from foreign shores and the turnover of staff is quite high. Before anyone accuses me of xenophobia let me say that I am pleased to say that I now go to an immigrant chap who does exactly what I want so much so that I have got back into the habit of tipping again!

And the worst barber in town, you may ask? It is the lady at the barbers near William Rose. She raes through the job in a quarter of the normal time, makes a real salping of it and seems desperate to get out to have a cigarette. Avoid!

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by steveo 15 November, 2016 09:58

'Immigrant chap'?

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Suffer-not 15 November, 2016 10:11

steveo Wrote:
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> 'Immigrant chap'?

Yes, he said he recently migrated from Syria. What's wrong with being an immigrant?





Edited to correct typo



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messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Jeremy 15 November, 2016 10:12

I like the sound of this 1940's "short back and sides" barber. I might try him... if he doesn't ask me what team I support, or where I'm going on holiday, then even better.

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by titch juicy 15 November, 2016 10:21

I'm just glad some comfort has been found on here in these difficult times.

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by steveo 15 November, 2016 10:29

Jeremy Wrote:
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> I like the sound of this 1940's "short back and
> sides" barber. I might try him... if he doesn't
> ask me what team I support, or where I'm going on
> holiday, then even better.

Or if you want something for the weekend

messageRe: Mem's Barbers - homophobia, racism and a bad haircut
Posted by JohnL 15 November, 2016 10:31

tutorse22 Wrote:
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> Kudos to Jim for saying something. It's not always
> easy to speak up in these situations, even when
> you v much want to.
>
> I've been reading recently on another thread
> elsewhere about similar types of "micro
> aggressions", and one commentator I very much
> respect has suggested that these moments,
> uncomfortable as they may be, should be seen as
> opportunities to engage . We're entering
> difficult times here, and courage to engage with
> the "other" side is increasingly important…

Hope we aren't going to regress as a country into hate.

I remember calling out some guys in a local bar in Egypt and them
saying I could get away with anything as a tourist but if they
talked to me outside the private hotels the police would beat them up.

Of course in the Hotel bars you got treated like royalty.

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Seabag 15 November, 2016 10:38

They are as Jah says "tosspots"

Go to see Shaun at the end of Barry Road, he's a very good barber and a decent human being.

He's good with the kids too.

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Mick Mac 15 November, 2016 12:05

Seabag Wrote:
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> They are as Jah says "tosspots"
>
> Go to see Shaun at the end of Barry Road, he's a
> very good barber and a decent human being.
>
> He's good with the kids too.


Sean is the perfect barber and I used to go there on weekends when I had more time. Unfortunately as I work full time it's easier to get it cut in the evening on the way home. I miss my chats with Sean and I hope he is well.

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Jah Lush 15 November, 2016 12:18

Does Sean still serve beer?

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by mikeb 15 November, 2016 12:36

He did when I went in September.

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Jah Lush 15 November, 2016 13:04

Suffer-not Wrote:
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> It's a sign of the times though that appears every
> barber in ED is from foreign shores and the
> turnover of staff is quite high. Before anyone
> accuses me of xenophobia let me say that I am
> pleased to say that I now go to an immigrant chap
> who does exactly what I want so much so that I
> have got back into the habit of tipping again!

WTF is this shit? Well now you mention it. You doing them a favour by turning up for a haircut? You want to try thinking a little bit more before you post this kind of crap if you don't want come across as a Daily Mail/Express/Sun reading xenophobe.

BTW - My dad used to take me to a Turkish/Cypriot barber shop on Grove Vale in the 60s where the nail bar is now. Lovely man, obviously long gone now. I also went to a similar place in Peckham too as well as Segars up by the Plough and Jansens on Half Moon Lane (also long gone) I haven't noticed any difference since those days.



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messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by tutorse22 15 November, 2016 14:37

@Suffer-not

"Yes, he said he reently migrated from Syria. What's worong with being an immigrant?"

No-one is suggesting there is anything wrong with being an immigrant. But don't you agree it would be more respectful, not to mention accurate, to think of him as, say, a "Syrian" or a "person from Syria", rather than simply an "immigrant chap", which implies that all of us immigrants (for I am one too) belong in one big pile, regardless of where we come from?

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by TonyQuinn 15 November, 2016 15:07

I haven't posted for a while but just want to say that I once went to this establishment and had to tell them to keep the noise down within seconds of entering. Shockingly loud banter....it may have been football-related but there was a nasty edge. I think someone has to tell the manager that the behaviour of the two guys in there is unacceptable. Very much doubt that either of those two guys is Mem.

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Borky 15 November, 2016 15:42

[peckhampeculiar.tumblr.com]

Steve has been in Peckham for half a century now. I am surprised that no one has mentioned this place.

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Bic Basher 15 November, 2016 15:44

I use the Mem's in Penge. None of the alpha male/homophobic behaviour alleged here has happened in that barbers and also £1 cheaper than the Dulwich one.

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Nigello 15 November, 2016 16:05

I went in the other day, on a whim, having seen that the "monologue" barber wasn't there. But he was, and stepped out from behind the internal door just as I was being shown where to sit by another. His chat was not sweary, not offensive or even that dull, but on the loud side and with plenty of asides to the others. A mum and child were dealt with kindly and warmly and the cut was 7/10 but when I paid and didn't tip the chat was dispensed with immediately and I didn't even get a goodbye or thank you. It's a good looking shop that has helped revive that parade so I hope it won't go but I can see why it may need a, ahem, "more customer-focused attitude".

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Suffer-not 15 November, 2016 16:17

tutorse22 Wrote:
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@Suffer-not

"Yes, he said he reently migrated from Syria.
What's worong with being an immigrant?"
>
> No-one is suggesting there is anything wrong with
> being an immigrant. But don't you agree it would
> be more respectful, not to mention accurate, to
> think of him as, say, a "Syrian" or a "person from
> Syria", rather than simply an "immigrant chap",
> which implies that all of us immigrants (for I am
> one too) belong in one big pile, regardless of
> where we come from?

No I don't agree with you.

Before you shoot your mouth off with another knee jerk reaction, read the entire paragraph as follows ......"" It's a sign of the times though that appears every barber in ED is from foreign shores and the turnover of staff is quite high. Before anyone accuses me of xenophobia let me say that I am pleased to say that I now go to an immigrant chap who does exactly what I want so much so that I have got back into the habit of tipping again! ""

It was an obervation on the demographic of barbers in the area and how pleased I was with the immigrant barber I now have. Or perhaps you do not know the meaning of the noun "chap". Looking it up in [en.oxforddictionaries.com], it says it is ""dated A friendly form of address between men and boys:‘best of luck, old chap’""

It says it is "friendly". No mention of disrespect- as you suggest.

So you can climb off your pedestal "old chap" and get a grip of your emotions. Kindly engage brain before mouth.

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by tutorse22 15 November, 2016 16:46

@Suffer-not I have not been rude to you and I would ask you please not to be rude to me either. I do not expect to change your mind in a brief exchange on an internet forum, but I'm still going to put this out there for whatever small benefit it may be.

- If you know the person's provenance, in this case Syria, it would be more respectful and accurate to call him "Syrian", or, "Syrian chap" if you must -- although I draw your attention to the "dated" in the OED definition, and ask you to consider that the colloquial use of this word in 2016 is different to what it was long ago.

- If you know the person's provenance -- whether it be Syrian, French, Nigerian, Australian, or wherever - and continue to call him an "immigrant chap", ask yourself why are not calling him or her by his/her nationality.

- Think of another person who is an immigrant. Think, perhaps, of a friend who has emigrated to Australia for the good weather. Would you call him an "immigrant chap"? If not, why not? What about a white French guy working in Goldman Sachs in New York. Is he an "immigrant chap"? If not, why not?

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Suffer-not 15 November, 2016 17:11

Jah Lush Wrote:
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> Suffer-not Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > It's a sign of the times though that appears
> every
> > barber in ED is from foreign shores and the
> > turnover of staff is quite high. Before anyone
> > accuses me of xenophobia let me say that I am
> > pleased to say that I now go to an immigrant
> chap
> > who does exactly what I want so much so that I
> > have got back into the habit of tipping again!
>
> WTF is this shit? Well now you mention it. You
> doing them a favour by turning up for a haircut?
> You want to try thinking a little bit more before
> you post this kind of crap if you don't want come
> across as a Daily Mail/Express/Sun reading
> xenophobe.
>

Well Jah Lush, your comments certainly illustrate two things:-

1. You are a reactionary foul-mouthed left-wing bigot. And a tosspot - to use one of your favourite put-downs.
2. Your standard of posts has not improved much since you posted this recently ...

.......""Utter fecking dogshit for morons. It was a pathetic excuse for comedy 40 years ago. All these remakes are for feeble minded old dingbats."".......

As you seem to have a problem and lots of spare time, I suggest you invest in one of these...

[www.amazon.co.uk]

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Sue 15 November, 2016 17:17

tutorse22 Wrote:
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>
>
> - If you know the person's provenance, in this
> case Syria, it would be more respectful and
> accurate to call him "Syrian", or, "Syrian chap"
> if you must -- although I draw your attention to
> the "dated" in the OED definition, and ask you to
> consider that the colloquial use of this word in
> 2016 is different to what it was long ago.
>
> - If you know the person's provenance -- whether
> it be Syrian, French, Nigerian, Australian, or
> wherever - and continue to call him an "immigrant
> chap", ask yourself why are not calling him or her
> by his/her nationality.
>
> - Think of another person who is an immigrant.
> Think, perhaps, of a friend who has emigrated to
> Australia for the good weather. Would you call him
> an "immigrant chap"? If not, why not? What about a
> white French guy working in Goldman Sachs in New
> York. Is he an "immigrant chap"? If not, why not?


Exactly. Well said.

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by red devil 15 November, 2016 17:21

I wonder if the Super Moon has brought out the Lupine among us...

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Sue 15 November, 2016 17:23

red devil Wrote:
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> I wonder if the Super Moon has brought out the
> Lupine among us...


It certainly seems to have brought out at least one rather nasty person - and I don't mean Jah Lush, who is a very good chap, to use a dated expression .......

ETA: Although said person seems to be kind to squirrels, or at least doesn't want them to die in cruel and unnatural ways ....

[www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk]



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messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by ££££ 15 November, 2016 17:35

red devil Wrote:
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> I wonder if the Super Moon has brought out the
> Lupine among us...


..... it's been a while smiling smiley

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Jah Lush 15 November, 2016 18:06

Suffer-not Wrote:
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> Jah Lush Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Suffer-not Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > It's a sign of the times though that appears
> > every
> > > barber in ED is from foreign shores and the
> > > turnover of staff is quite high. Before
> anyone
> > > accuses me of xenophobia let me say that I am
> > > pleased to say that I now go to an immigrant
> > chap
> > > who does exactly what I want so much so that
> I
> > > have got back into the habit of tipping
> again!
> >
> > WTF is this shit? Well now you mention it. You
> > doing them a favour by turning up for a
> haircut?
> > You want to try thinking a little bit more
> before
> > you post this kind of crap if you don't want
> come
> > across as a Daily Mail/Express/Sun reading
> > xenophobe.
> >
>
> Well Jah Lush, your comments certainly illustrate
> two things:-
>
> 1. You are a reactionary foul-mouthed left-wing
> bigot. And a tosspot - to use one of your
> favourite put-downs.
> 2. Your standard of posts has not improved much
> since you posted this recently ...
>
> .......""Utter fecking dogshit for morons. It was
> a pathetic excuse for comedy 40 years ago. All
> these remakes are for feeble minded old
> dingbats."".......
>
> As you seem to have a problem and lots of spare
> time, I suggest you invest in one of these...
>
> [www.amazon.co.uk]-
> Relaxation/dp/1522921354

You've been caught out. It's all on the thread for everyone to see. No use you calling me names or dragging up an old comments of mine that have absolutely no relevance here to the subject matter. Talk about having time on your hands. The only problem I have is with xenophobic, racist little bigots like you. I'd suggest you go and crawl back into the nasty little hole you crawled out off and stay there... old chap.



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messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Suffer-not 15 November, 2016 18:14

tutorse22 Wrote:
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> @Suffer-not I have not been rude to you and I
> would ask you please not to be rude to me either.

My apologies.

> I draw your attention to
> the "dated" in the OED definition, and ask you to
> consider that the colloquial use of this word in
> 2016 is different to what it was long ago.
>
I am not aware that it has changed meaning but then I'm in my mid 70's so would appreciate you enlightening me to what meaning it has now. I mean that sincerely.



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messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Jah Lush 15 November, 2016 18:17

Borky Wrote:
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> [peckhampeculiar.tumblr.com]
> 9/cutting-humour
>
> Steve has been in Peckham for half a century now.
> I am surprised that no one has mentioned this
> place.

I kind of mentioned it but haven't been in there for years and had forgotten his name. His dad probably cut my hair. I remember going there when I was a kid. My dad had an office on Rye Lane at the time. Amazed they're still there.

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Suffer-not 15 November, 2016 18:54

Jah Lush Wrote:


> No use you calling me names or
> dragging up an old comments of mine that have
> absolutely no relevance here to the subject
> matter. Talk about having time on your hands. The
> only problem I have is with xenophobic, racist
> little bigots like you. I'd suggest you go and
> crawl back into the nasty little hole you crawled
> out off and stay there... old chap.

At least you have spared us the profanity this time. Also if the recommended book is to pricey for you, I have found several other alternatives, enjoy..

[www.ebay.co.uk]

Plenty to choose from there. But then, why not buy them all and become a totally different person?

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by Jah Lush 15 November, 2016 19:04

Suffer-not,

Just carry on making a tit of yourself. I've other things to do. Byeeeeeeeeee!

messageRe: ED Barber - homophobia? racism? and a bad haircut
Posted by PollyGlot 15 November, 2016 20:04

Jah Lush Wrote:
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>
> Just carry on making a tit of yourself. I've other
> things to do. Byeeeeeeeeee!

Me thinks Jah Lush is a typical bully. Lots of swearing, posturing and bravado. But like all bullies he quits when he gets a real challenge.

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