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messageA general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by intexasatthe moment 31 January, 2017 12:17

Sally Yates in her confirmation hearing as Deputy Attorney General being questioned by Jeff Sessions .

[edition.cnn.com]

Sessions: "You have to watch out because people will be asking you to do things and you need to say no... But if the views the President wants to execute are unlawful, should the Attorney General or the Deputy Attorney General say no?"

Yates replies: "Senator, I believe the Attorney General or the Deputy Attorney General has an obligation to follow the law and the Constitution and to give their independent legal advice to the President."



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messageRe: Acting Attorney General sacked by Trump
Posted by ££££ 31 January, 2017 12:22

There are 6 other threads you could have put this on FFS - selfish and tedious every new bit of Trump news creating a new thread

messageRe: Acting Attorney General sacked by Trump
Posted by intexasatthe moment 31 January, 2017 12:29

Bit of an overreaction ££££ ?

I guess you could just not bother to read it if you found it so boring ?

I've not read the other 2 threads on here about Trump as I thought from their titles they were concentrating on his visit to Uk .

I'm sure Admin can lock mine if it's a duplication .

messageRe: Acting Attorney General sacked by Trump
Posted by ED - NAGAIUTB 31 January, 2017 12:44

@ intexasatthe moment - how VERY dare you post on ££££'s forum. Don't you know how important he and other certain forumites are!?? The EDF is here solely for their enjoyment.

messageRe: Acting Attorney General sacked by Trump
Posted by ££££ 31 January, 2017 13:18

ED-N - It's just common courtesy or we just have a page of Trump threads DUCY? it's not about anyone's 'ownership' you moron .

ITATM - it's not about it being boring, I've been joining in on these threads it's just every fooking new bit of news there's a new thread. I look forward to your tomorrow news new Trump thread with eager anticipation?

TRUMPSPAM I'm loving it

messageRe: Acting Attorney General sacked by Trump
Posted by red devil 31 January, 2017 13:21

I think the proliferation of Trump threads has at least one good purpose, I now know how to wind Quids up smiling smiley...

messageRe: Acting Attorney General sacked by Trump
Posted by ££££ 31 January, 2017 13:28

7 on the first page including 2 from the OP, so start another RD that would be great. Let's scrap Football Focus and all just start our own threads on any new Football News smiling smiley

messageRe: Acting Attorney General sacked by Trump
Posted by red devil 31 January, 2017 13:43

It is a bit annoying when duplicate threads appear e.g. the 2 petition threads, but at the moment there's such a lot of stuff coming out on Trump that I think it would swamp one thread and make it hard and incoherent to follow, so I don't mind the separation...for the time being.

messageRe: Acting Attorney General sacked by Trump
Posted by keano77 31 January, 2017 13:52

££££ Wrote:
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> There are 6 other threads you could have put this
> on FFS - selfish and tedious every new bit of
> Trump news creating a new thread

Eight now quids if you include Admin's latest

messageRe: Acting Attorney General sacked by Trump
Posted by JohnL 31 January, 2017 14:30

Admin has asked for no more threads. But Trump is the worlds most talked about person currently. I'm not surprised and I bet similar is happening elsewhere.

Anyway pub on Chancery Lane at lunchtime today "Unlike Trump. We welcome everybody."

messageRe: Acting Attorney General sacked by Trump
Posted by Administrator 31 January, 2017 14:43

It's more an advisory note, I'm not going to bomb someone to kingdom come if they post a new thread about Trump. Hopefully it will provide a useful flicker of remembrance of common sense within those who would otherwise start a new thread.

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messageRe: Acting Attorney General sacked by Trump
Posted by jaywalker 31 January, 2017 19:23

Returning to the OP, which for me indexes something new (as will the nomination of the Supreme Court Justice and the impending 'cable of dissent' that may lead to hundreds of sackings), this seems to me to be quite alarming - the precedent for this sort of action (politics against the advisory-of-law), is Nixon ... just before he was impeached.

All building up to quite a picture - and for me we should have threads for everything new going (not duplicates of course). There will be some highly dangerous days ahead - for the integrity of the EU particularly. What was said very clearly today by Tusk suggests to me that is perhaps the most worrying of all. But no new thread allowed apparently even though that has not been the focus of any previous thread.



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messageRe: Acting Attorney General sacked by Trump
Posted by Loz 31 January, 2017 19:32

JohnL Wrote:
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> Anyway pub on Chancery Lane at lunchtime today
> "Unlike Trump. We welcome everybody."

Hah. It's at this point I wished I worked in TV. I'd be organising a crew to head out and test that little boast...

messageRe: Acting Attorney General sacked by Trump
Posted by intexasatthe moment 31 January, 2017 20:45

I was /am genuinely interested in views re Trump sacking the AG . It seems to me the action of a dictator but I'm not sure if I'm over reacting a little . I'm not familar with American politics . I hadn't realised that the other threads were discussing issues not indicated in their title .

Actually ,having had a look at one about petitions many of the posts just seem to be personal banter/point scoring between posters rather than discussion about Trumps actions .But thinking about it - I guess this forum is more about that ( banter etc ) and I take Admins point that there are plenty of "news" sites that I can read if I want to read about Trump and people's comments on his actions .



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messageRe: Acting Attorney General sacked by Trump
Posted by jaywalker 31 January, 2017 21:08

His main problem currently is that the Democrats have withdrawn supply: so he cannot get new cabinet members nominated. There was a popular backlash against those Democrats who nodded through earlier appointments. Part of the US constitution is that at least one opposition member must at least be present for an appointment to be ratified: so if they are not there can be no new post. Wonderful!



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messageRe: Acting Attorney General sacked by Trump
Posted by intexasatthe moment 31 January, 2017 21:56

So stalemate ?

Somehow doesn't seem a very satisfactory /grown up response . But I guess it's all they have and I'm glad of it .Shows some effort to reign Trump in .

messageRe: Acting Attorney General sacked by Trump
Posted by Sue 01 February, 2017 00:23

This is a very very interesting and plausible analysis.


[medium.com]

ETA: I didn't know which Trump thread to post it on so apologies if it isn't relevant to this one ....



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messageRe: Acting Attorney General sacked by Trump
Posted by Loz 01 February, 2017 00:51

Sue Wrote:
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> This is a very very interesting and plausible analysis.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - Trump is a businessman, not a politician.

That is basically an extreme form of how a lot of businesses work - set the price at £x + 20%, accept £x and customer thinks they have a bargain.

Next time that wine is 'half price' at the supermarket (you know, the one that has been on and off half price for about a year or two) and you think 'bargain', you actually should be thinking 'sucker', because you've bought a £5.99 wine you probably didn't want for the bargain price of £5.99.

messageRe: Acting Attorney General sacked by Trump
Posted by Sue 01 February, 2017 02:14

This is somewhat more worrying than a sort of scam in a supermarket sad smiley

messageRe: Acting Attorney General sacked by Trump
Posted by Seabag 01 February, 2017 06:13

It's extreme 'virtue signaling' writ large, to their voters and a sabre rattle to Russians and the likes.

'Look at how challenging we are on the world stage, we don't care what people think of us' In short, watch out, see what we'll do next.

messageA general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by intexasatthe moment 01 February, 2017 08:04

That's interesting to read Sue ,thanks for posting . FWIW ( not much -) ) I don't buy the conspiracy theory bit that Trump is trying to distract us .The media is too fast and too all over everything .I hope .

I do agree with seabag about sabre rattling . A lot of people who voted for Trump will love his "strength" .

And I absolutely agree that "The immigration ban may be more viscerally upsetting, but the other moves are potentially far more dangerous."

eg "that the DHS felt they could ignore a federal court than that Trump signed an EO blocking green card holders in the first place. It is a much bigger deal that Trump removed a permanent military presence from the NSC" and that the AG was removed .

I do wonder if Trump is trying to provoke - demonstrations so that he can bring in controls to limit public gatherings ,other countries sothat he can impose /justify ever tighter anti terrorist ( what he'd describe as ) actions .



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messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by intexasatthe moment 01 February, 2017 08:07

And is Trumps filing to run again in 2020 have any particular significance ?

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by rendelharris 01 February, 2017 09:28

intexasatthe moment Wrote:
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> And is Trumps filing to run again in 2020 have any
> particular significance ?

Yes it's very significant - under US law any non-profit campaigning against a presidential candidate (or any other candidate for office) risks having its tax-free charitable status revoked by the IRS. So, for example, if Planned Parenthood campaign against his anti-abortion stance, he can accuse them of politically attacking a candidate for the 2020 election and go after their charitable status.

Declaring as a candidate also allows him to solicit funds from businesses and other organisations in a way the President is not allowed to but a candidate is.

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by Borky 01 February, 2017 09:36

Everyone is now an expert on the US political process.

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by rendelharris 01 February, 2017 09:46

Borky Wrote:
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> Everyone is now an expert on the US political
> process.

No, I happened to read about it this morning, ITATM asked a question so I answered it. Sorry if that's a problem for you.

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by intexasatthe moment 01 February, 2017 09:53

Rendel thank you ,that's really helpful .I'd read some stuff but couldn't quite get my head round it .Your explanation nice and clear !

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by Loz 01 February, 2017 14:17

intexasatthe moment Wrote:
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> And is Trumps filing to run again in 2020 have any
> particular significance ?

Does anyone know if that is standard practice (i.e. did Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, etc do it) or is this something newly cooked up?

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by rendelharris 01 February, 2017 15:42

I haven't seen reports for back in the day, certainly Obama didn't file to run for his second term until April 2011 for the 2012 election.

ETA Just looked, Trump at 47 months off the election is the earliest filer in recent memory by a long chalk - Obama at 19 months off next, Reagan and Bush snr latest filers at 12 months out. I guess a president has to get his application in in good time so he can do fundraising, but it looks very much as though Trump's team have spotted a loophole in their favour.



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messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by intexasatthe moment 01 February, 2017 15:45

It's being described as unusual

[www.azfamily.com]


" According to campaign filings with the Federal Election Commission, Trumpís filing as a candidate comes more than two years earlier in his term than any incumbent presidential candidate in at least 38 years."



47 months- Donald Trump filed on Jan. 20, 2017 for the 2020 election.
19 months- Barack Obama filed on April 4, 2011 for his 2012 re-election bid.
18 months- George W. Bush filed on May 16, 2003 to run for re-election in 2004.
19 months- Bill Clinton filed on April 14, 1995 for his 1996 re-election campaign.
12 months- George H.W. Bush cut it even closer, not filing until Oct. 11, 1991 for the 1992 election.
12 months- Reagan had similarly close timing, filing on October 17, 1983 to run in 1984.

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by JohnL 02 February, 2017 06:56

Trump has hung up on the Aussie PM smiling smiley

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