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messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by Ruskin 06 July, 2018 15:39

I'd be more concerned of combustible cladding than cheap veneer.

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by peckwoman 08 July, 2018 17:48

> Yes, it was a lovely spot before but the owner of
> the garden centre couldn't resist cashing in on
> the land value. Same trend all over London.
> Another example is Whitten Timber in Peckham, who
> have sold their plot to developers and renting
> back half of it, while plastic-clad high-rise
> "executive apartments" are shoehorned into the
> other half. Those kinds of new build flats are now
> plunging in value. Councils shouldn't have been
> quite so gullible about the housing shortage and
> the need to build forests of white elephants all
> over London.

It was Southwark Council that did a deal with Whittens a few years ago, and got them to move along Peckham Hill Street. The vacant space was then used by artists mostly, until Southwark then did a deal with Mountview Musical Theatre school helping them to finance the building soon to be completed next to the library. So many people stop to look and ask if itís housing, itís not.
Perhaps only a matter of time that the Whittens site becomes student housing?

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by rorsome 02 August, 2018 07:31

...and it appears to have happened again. With the buildersí yard up the road it looks like this will be a common occurrence.

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by PeckhamRy 02 August, 2018 13:57

I missed this thread the first time around, but personally I'd be more concerned about the enormous loading bay they are going to put at the front of the building (for M&S) - which from what I can tell is going to eat into a large slice of the pavement outside the station (needs to be able to cater for 11m vehicles)

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by Amanda1979 21 August, 2018 13:28

The loading bay is being put in at the moment (it's a pain having the path in front of ED station closed for so long while these flats go up!). That pavement is so busy everytime a train comes in from central London at rush hour... it seems crazy to half the depth of it but I guess they have no choice. If the lorries park up the side road they run the risk of a corner being taken off again by the looks of it

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by SoozieW 23 August, 2018 16:27

Never mind that, I'm concerned that one day someone is going to get hit by traffic as we are all forced into the road to get to the station entrance. Its really dangerous, there should be a temporary path for pedestrians. This has tobe against health and safety laws.

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by Amanda1979 23 August, 2018 16:31

They have put a "diversion" in... they want you to cross the road to the cherry tree and then walk along that side of the road and use the crossing

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by cella 23 August, 2018 17:15

Another example of Southwark being developer led. I was looking at it again earlier waiting for the bus - they appear to have "mended" that damaged corner and put up wooden decorative bits but I just can't get that pretend glued on brick picture out of my head. That bit of narrow pavement is going to be so busy with station commuters and Sainsbury customers - as well as pushchairs etc.

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by alex_b 23 August, 2018 17:45

I am really worried about that bit of pavement during the evening rush hour, especially in winter when it's dark. It's far too narrow to take the volume of people exiting the station and turning right. Is the "layby section" for deliveries or will it be being used by busses? It seems like an accident waiting to happen.

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by Gadge 27 August, 2018 13:58

Having recently moved out of timber framed brick skinned house built in 2006 (lived in since new) into a fully brick built house built in 2016 to the latest building regulations I can tell you that the timber framed house is much warmer and hence cheaper to heat. It still looks the same as it did when new so I would have no hesitation in buying one again.

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by pecksniff 20 October, 2018 22:39

Zak Wrote:
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> In case anyone is thinking of snapping up one of
> the new flats going up next to ED station, take a
> look at the attached picture.
>
> From the outside it looks like they are properly
> built with bricks - as you might expect. But in
> fact the visible brickwork is simply a "brick
> skin", somehow attached to the exterior cladding
> which encases the building.
>
> What you see here is the damage caused by a lorry
> which brushed the side of the building.
>
> They look quite smart, but don't be fooled!


Noticed earlier today that a lorry has again caused damage to the same section of this building.

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by cella 20 October, 2018 23:50

This must be a concern surely. Quite apart from the look of it and the cheap veneer for the high asking price, the corner of the building is vulnerable. What happens when the M&S lorries start regular deliveries? There will be people actually living in the flats soon and also using the Library - what about their safety? Have any of the Councillors raised this as a safety issue?

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by Abe_froeman 21 October, 2018 07:57

If the council towed the vehicles parked opposite, which are straddling the foot path and the double yellow lines, there would be a lot more room for lorries to manoeuvre and it would be much safer.

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by Sally Eva 21 October, 2018 08:28

apcoa will ticket vehicles parked on the pavement -- the kerb ie the stone edging -- is not enough

Phone 0207 708 8587 and report them. Difficulty arises with transient dangerous parking which may be gone by the time they arrive

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by bels123 21 October, 2018 09:44

Pretty sure this is a private road and the cars have always parked outside the properties the owners live in. The road has been significantly narrowed at the corner, used to be much wider and now the lorries are having issues.

Seem to remember the plans showed space for disabled parking further up the road - no surprises they havenít been able to squeeze this in.

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by Amanda1979 21 October, 2018 10:37

That junction is now dangerous. My son stopped at the road to wait for me and almost got squashed by a lorry turning left as it's wheels cut across the corner of the pavement because they haven't left enough cleaeance. That coupled with a lorry bay taking up two thirds of the original path is a very poorly conceived (or executed) plan.

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by spider69 21 October, 2018 11:39

bels123 Wrote:
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> Pretty sure this is a private road and the cars
> have always parked outside the properties the
> owners live in. The road has been significantly
> narrowed at the corner, used to be much wider and
> now the lorries are having issues.
>
> Seem to remember the plans showed space for
> disabled parking further up the road - no
> surprises they havenít been able to squeeze this
> in.

Whilst it is good that people are showing this concern, I have not noticed any posts that show concern towards the tyre business that has been there for many many years. His business and future is under threat because of this development. How long before the Council makes it impossible for him to continue .



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was 2018:10:21:12:40:41 by spider69.

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by civilservant 21 October, 2018 12:08

you are quite right, spider 69, the condition his condition is in is quite grave

his tyre dump represents (and has always been) a grave health and safety risk, not to mention a serious environmental hazard, and may well need to relocate once the population density of the area increases following redevelopment

I'd also suspect that the days of the building-materials warehouse and other little business parks around may also be numbered

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by cella 21 October, 2018 12:39

Think Spider 69 was saying the opposite?

vilservant Wrote:
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> you are quite right, spider 69, the condition his
> condition is in is quite grave
>
> his tyre dump represents (and has always been) a
> grave health and safety risk, not to mention a
> serious environmental hazard, and may well need to
> relocate once the population density of the area
> increases following redevelopment
>
> I'd also suspect that the days of the
> building-materials warehouse and other little
> business parks around may also be numbered

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by Froglander 21 October, 2018 13:02

With another Marks and Spencer here, the delivery trucks will cause more problems. Two stores so close to each other seems bonkers.

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by dbboy 21 October, 2018 15:56

Big sign next to the buildings says LIBRARY, no mention of M&S??????

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by civilservant 21 October, 2018 18:31

cella Wrote:
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> Think Spider 69 was saying the opposite?
>

yes, cella, quite right, the tyre guy is doomed as he belongs to an earlier stage of the evolution of ED was what i said
a pity that spider edited his post after seeing mine responding to his original formulation of the tyre guy's problem

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by spider69 21 October, 2018 19:10

I altered my post because I duplicated words which did not make sense. So I deleted.

He belongs to the real ED.

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by mimifantasia87 22 October, 2018 15:45

it says library not flats and as others have metioned, no sign of an M&S. seems silly to have two m&s's on lordship lane within less then a km away from eachtoher. we waited years for an m&s now we have two! waitross would be better!!

but if they are flats , no wonder banks are borrowing for new builds! cheap materials with greedy people behind them



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was 2018:10:22:15:46:23 by mimifantasia87.

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by colville09 22 October, 2018 15:51

The way I understand it is the M&S will be at the front facing the road.The small library will tucked in at the back of the building. I presume the is aimed at hungry commuters exiting the station grabbing ready meals on their way home

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by Nigello 22 October, 2018 16:49

I was told by the woman working on the move that the new library will be bigger than the old one and there will be new fixtures and fittings. She said the move should be pretty easy because all they have to move is the books/CDs, etc.

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by James Barber 22 October, 2018 18:28

Hi Nigello,
New Grove Vale library will have twice the current floor space. Fixtures and fittings paid for by the developer.

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messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by Froglander 22 October, 2018 19:02

James Barber Wrote:
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> Hi Nigello,
> New Grove Vale library will have twice the current
> floor space. Fixtures and fittings paid for by the
> developer.

Hi, is there going to be another Marks and Spencer in the building?

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by Amanda1979 22 October, 2018 19:32

Hopefully they will also be putting a new cash point in too.

messageRe: New Flats At ED Station - Be Warned! (it has a "veneer")
Posted by pecksniff 22 October, 2018 20:40

Nigello Wrote:
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> I was told by the woman working on the move that
> the new library will be bigger than the old one
> and there will be new fixtures and fittings. She
> said the move should be pretty easy because all
> they have to move is the books/CDs, etc.


According to one of the GV Libarian's the relocation has been postponed til December.

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