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messageTo the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by cantthinkofaname August 20, 07:24PM

Dear young Irish lad approaching everyone in the ED Picturehouse and Oddonis:

Congratulations on your confidence. You have no fear and a strong sales pitch.
But maybe try some politeness next time. Snapping “give me your name”, then demanding “how much?” whilst beckoning with your hand is plain rude. Additionally, when perturbed but polite diners offer you the money in their pockets, don’t roll your eyes and say “better than nothing I suppose”.

Confidence is one thing, insolence is another.

Good luck on your sponsored run, or whatever it was...

messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by alice August 20, 07:42PM

What a weird post.
I take it you were there and he was there

messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by Angelina August 20, 09:34PM

when I was at school and we did sponsored walks etc we'd have to get the completion form signed before we could collect the money.

messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by Sue August 20, 11:05PM

Sounds like a scam to me.

messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by mrs.lotte August 21, 08:20AM

It is a scam. He was doing the same on Northcross Rd a few weeks ago telling each business how all the others were giving him money when I'd just seen them refusing. I asked him what school it was for and he said it was for his brother at St. Dunstan's and I later saw him with older boy who was not school age. Frankly it's theft (Well obtaining property by deception but basically the same). Not the crime of the century but if I see him again I'll tell him I'm calling the police having seen a number of elderly ladies hand over cash to him.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit was august 21, 08:22am by mrs.lotte.

messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by cella August 21, 10:03AM

Shouldn't the Picturehouse people be dealing with it?

messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by Angelina August 21, 10:18AM

yes, they should, but so should the anyone in the community who has witnessed it.

messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by JohnL August 21, 10:56AM

I'd have found the guy funny - reply would be be the usual "I pay everything by card" though



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was august 21, 10:57am by JohnL.

messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by cella August 21, 11:17AM

Angelina Wrote:
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> yes, they should, but so should the anyone in the
> community who has witnessed it.

Sure - just wondered why the staff didn't step in earlier. Also, depending on the age - the op said young lad - parents involved too.

messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by holloway August 21, 12:41PM

This scam used to go on all of the time in pubs, haven't seen it for ages. The parents' would usually send them in.

messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by cella August 21, 01:43PM

That's depressing.

messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by alice August 21, 01:49PM

Didn’t everyone used to do a variation of this carol singing, guying, selling laurel leaves - not new, not a sign of moral breakdown of society.

messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by Angelina August 21, 02:12PM

While there are people to take advantage of, people will take advantage of them - which is fine, unless they are vulnerable. Scamming old people is particularly nasty and we should look out for such to make sure they are not tricked into giving their money away.

Of course, it's their money and their choice, but for everyone who has elderly relatives, then you'll know how protective you are and how scary it is that they are so trusting......

messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by Sue August 21, 10:19PM

holloway Wrote:
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> This scam used to go on all of the time in pubs,


Yes, and people who you would have thought wouldn't be taken in were, even when you (i.e. I) pointed out that it was an obvious scam.

I agree that the people in the businesses concerned should have dealt with it, but maybe they weren't aware.

The scammers tend to choose busy times.

messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by Sue August 21, 10:21PM

alice Wrote:
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> Didn’t everyone used to do a variation of this
> carol singing, guying, selling laurel leaves - not
> new, not a sign of moral breakdown of society.


Carol singing and guising are not taking money under false pretences aka lying.

No idea what selling laurel leaves is all about!

messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by LPrince August 23, 11:04PM

Evening all - can confirm this is a scam. I recently moved away from East Dulwich to Forest Hill and this kid has been collecting ‘sponsorship’ for months and months in the area (including from me with the same rudeness). Always a run, always a scruffy looking piece of paper and apparently collecting for NSPCC when challenged. The SE23 forum has a whole feed about this and it’s been reported to our local police officer via the forum. Seems he has now decided to try his luck in East Dulwich.

messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by bcam August 24, 07:26PM

So, we got scammed by a 12-ish y/o red haired kid with a blue jacket and London accent last weekend outside the EDT. Very convincing spiel. Piece of paper with his schools logo on it, and collecting for "abused kids". Supposedly a 5k run on Saturday in Dulwich Park.

This evening, the same little sh*t walking up the street with his clan ran across the road to target a guy outside EDT, exactly the same story, with "ANOTHER RUN" tomorrow, saw a few people looking and he scarpered up a side street.

messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by Yak September 08, 02:55PM

His training must be going well. Today it was a 10 mile run he was claiming he was going to be doing in his sales pitch in Camberwell.

messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by kittenheels November 30, 08:03PM

Agh I wish I’d seen this sooner! I fell for his scam in East Dulwich today. Sigh.

messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by MatthewGBCN December 01, 05:01AM

Hi cantthinkofaname ,

Thanks for sharing this with us ,

...and ALL of the other contributor's input of this persons illicit activities .

Personally this aggravates me A LOT , I manage, run and fund-raise for charities I operate , like any other job in this world , it is no easy task !

I have been planning to do a fundraiser (starting in late January 2019) in my own home town (stating the obvious) East Dulwich , but after reading about this kind of thing happening here makes me really think about what kind of reception I PERSONALLY will receive and if people would be so burned by their own previous encounters by the wrong doers , that , as me , a genuine person would be immediately refused and completely ignored by my fellow ED folk :-/

... of course , I do not know , and I have yet to find out , but I do hold hope that when I do come knocking at peoples doors , or pop a charity notice/letter through the door , someone will listen or spend a couple of minutes to read about what we do - and chip in - no matter how small :-)

...Also , if someone donates £1 , 50p or even a 1p [ even as some sort of vindictive insult ] , I would take that donation graciously and thank them for the generosity - ....
after all , they are not helping me , they are helping me help others :-)

Anyway, I digress , enough of me ranting [ I apologise if I come across that way ] , once I am somewhat organised , please keep an eye out for me , I WILL post on this forum at a later time letting folk here know that I will be in the area doing a fundraiser , BUT , for now , I will not be interfering ED folks Christmas season [ time with their family ] .

For now , I now I am the hunt for volunteers [ sooo hard these days ! ]see you all later , and stay vigilant ( and always ask questions ! ) .

messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by se22cat December 01, 10:52AM

Don't knock on peoples doors for charity donations please. We are all quite capable of choosing which charities to donate money/time to securely online or in person at a bricks & mortar location without being disturbed. This area has also been repeatedly targeted by charity scams which you should surely be aware of.

Please don't harm the environment by pushing unwanted dead trees through letterboxes either.

Running "multiple charities" sounds suspicious as hell to me.

messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by JohnL December 01, 11:42AM

bcam Wrote:
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> So, we got scammed by a 12-ish y/o red haired kid
> with a blue jacket and London accent last weekend
> outside the EDT. Very convincing spiel. Piece of
> paper with his schools logo on it, and collecting
> for "abused kids". Supposedly a 5k run on Saturday
> in Dulwich Park.
>
> This evening, the same little sh*t walking up the
> street with his clan ran across the road to target
> a guy outside EDT, exactly the same story, with
> "ANOTHER RUN" tomorrow, saw a few people looking
> and he scarpered up a side street.

I'd question if he is working for some adult - that's a form of child abuse however much fake bravado .

Ask him the Chloe Westley question repeatedly.



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messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by Angelina December 01, 12:31PM

Matthew - what charities do you "operate"? Don't we normally 'support' charities?

and why is your focus spread across mulitple ones?

I choose my charities carefully and this sounds rather...spreading yourself too thin, perhaps?

messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by rendelharris December 01, 12:37PM

se22cat Wrote:
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> Don't knock on peoples doors for charity donations
> please. We are all quite capable of choosing which
> charities to donate money/time to securely online
> or in person at a bricks & mortar location without
> being disturbed. This area has also been
> repeatedly targeted by charity scams which you
> should surely be aware of.
>
> Please don't harm the environment by pushing
> unwanted dead trees through letterboxes either.

Wholeheartedly seconded, working from home every day I'm disturbed so often by charity knockers that I'm seriously considering having a "Charity Collectors: all our giving is done online" sign made (which is true but you wouldn't think so from the way the doorsteppers look at one when one says it); and yes, any charity that wastes the money I've given it on junk mail/flyers asking for more gets crossed off the list.

messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by wee quinnie December 01, 01:00PM

JohnL Wrote:
>
> Ask him the Chloe Westley question repeatedly.


What's this?

messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by sweetgirl December 01, 01:29PM

se22cat Wrote:
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> Don't knock on peoples doors for charity donations
> please. We are all quite capable of choosing which
> charities to donate money/time to securely online
> or in person at a bricks & mortar location without
> being disturbed. This area has also been
> repeatedly targeted by charity scams which you
> should surely be aware of.
>
> Please don't harm the environment by pushing
> unwanted dead trees through letterboxes either.
>
> Running "multiple charities" sounds suspicious as
> hell to me.



I couldn't have written it better myself!

I find it disturbing when charity knockers come to my door esp as there's not enough hours in my day

Secondly I do my charity work personally when I travel.
I refuse to donate to many charities in the uk as a lot of money gets spent on advertising.
Also, many charitable organisations are becoming very greedy.... This includes many pop up churches which have appeared over the past few years.

messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship moneyattachment
Posted by MatthewGBCN December 02, 07:04PM

Hi everyone ,

I thought I’d pop on here again , I got a few emails relating to this part of the forum , I had no idea that this forum actually kept a special notification service in case people replied etc …. In my opinion this is a pretty nifty feature !

Well …. I am here now and I want to quickly ( while I have an hour to spare ) reply to all the ‘dark’ comments ( possibly an appropriate term – but OK ) directed at my previously submitted entry .

So , let’s begin with….

( Quick note : sorry if this turns into a rant , but my Jimmies were ALMOST rustled ! )
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Se22cat :

“This area has also been repeatedly targeted by charity scams which you should surely be aware of.”

Answer : I am completely aware of it , and whilst I sincerely empathise with those that have commented so far , I am surprised that you seem unable to differentiate bad charities from good charities , I used to ‘think’ with that same mentality too , that was until the 3rd Sector representatives taught me how to contact HMRC or/and the Charity Commission [and other watchdogs ] to verify specific legitimate organisations/charities/social enterprises [ and yes NGO’s  ] - simply because they have had enough of the fraud/scams and con artists etc that they made a big scream and shout getting A LOT of people’s attention . – Hence the delayed formation and poorly knowledgeable ‘Action Fraud’ watchdog .

“Please don't harm the environment by pushing unwanted dead trees through letterboxes either.”

Answer : I have never thought or dreamt of harming the environment by cutting entire/whole trees and ‘pushing’ [ unless you mean shoving ] them into the random folks letterboxes – I am not that strong nor am I the Incredible Hulk !
…. On a serious note , if you are most likely referring to leafleting , I can assure you I use recycled paper , and guess what ? , yes , it can be recycled again , with all those lovely coloured wine bottles ED folk placed in their recycle boxes .
On a quick note here about ‘dead trees’ , what do we do about the dead trees holding up your roof and floors ? and I presume for the past few years you have been replicating the original Jumanji film – you know , when you ‘need to use banana leaves’ [ sooo looong Cha Cha Cha Charmin ! ]
Give me a break ! – and pull your fluffy little head out of your @rse .

“Running "multiple charities" sounds suspicious as hell to me.”

Answer : OK , with a comment like this [ I am holding back ] , I do feel ripped from inside out somewhat – [ I have to control my feels and not end up a blue haired monster  ] ….
I take pride in the work I do , so this is why this conversation is heading in its current direction , directly in the cesspit of raw sewage .
… I really get [ understand ] what your trying to say , but to me that sounds like all the swear words/cusses/disses [even the spreading of cancer ] all rolled into one lump and shoved into my face and being forced to swallow .
However , Since I can ‘only’ assume , you are not fully educated in third sector , or how it is being regulated , I will be tolerant of your attacks and I will explain the following :
1 : Any one person can be a Manager/Director or be a Chairman of one or more charities – provided you are an ‘appropriate person’ . – The more you know , right ? [ a beautiful rainbow flying over us ] .
2 : Any one person can be a Trustee of one or more charities – provided you are an ‘appropriate person’ .
3 : Any one person can be a Patron of one or more charities – provided you are an ‘appropriate person’ .
4 : Any one person can be a Supporter/Donator/Volunteer of one or more charities – provided you are an ‘appropriate person’ .
5 : Any one person can ‘use a toilet’ at one or more ‘restaurants/supermarkets/and GP Surgeries – provided you are willing to wait in a queue :-/

Do you see a pattern here ? – [ I am blind but I do see ! ]

OK cool , I said my piece on that [ without effing and blinding – really wanted to though – you cant hide the truth – because the truth sets you free ! ]

Moving on …
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Angelina :

Matthew – (1) what charities do you "operate"? (2) Don't we normally 'support' charities?

Well Angelina , since we are word-picking out of boredom here [ ever hear of lamens terms ? ] , as to the first part ….

Answer (1) : ‘operate’ equals running/utilising/making use of – resources given/donated to help a good cause , and since all the negativity on here has dampened my spirits I will not bother to explain what I do etc until attitudes genuinely change for the better – no rush then :-/

Answer (2) : Well , I have ‘No idea’ about you , but yes , I do support [and volunteer for] GOOD charities – thumbs up for me 

and why is your focus spread across multiple ones?

Answer :
… don’t worry , I am not Oxfam ! – { more on that later }…..
…but seriously , I am focused on one particular charity , However , one charity will not work efficiently without the support from another charity , it is simple regulations , HMRC [ being ‘flexible’ as they can ] , stating ‘one charity’ [ can only do ] ‘one objective’ – bummer right ? , the red tape situation is a cruel joke in this country – but I suppose it is a necessary evil [ if your into sadistic thinking ] , however at the same time keeping genuine folk who are in poverty in Britain – in poverty longer [in ‘other words’ permanently ] . – I know what your thinking – who cares right ? – seems only me [ not being self-righteous here ] , I am only assimilating the ‘trend’ of ‘negative and bitter attitude’ on this forum .

I choose my charities carefully and this sounds rather...spreading yourself too thin, perhaps?

Answer :
Finally …. A real-world view AND a decent comment/question !
…. YES , you are absolutely correct ! , I have no idea if you read my ‘entire’ previous submission but I clearly stated that I was looking for volunteers BEFORE I commit to a fundraiser (in late January 2019) …
….this includes finding more Trustees , more [again] volunteers and more individuals/business/other charities willing to share resources - and I am not asking for the world , just the basics we need to continue to get to our aim . – I am not Cancer Research asking for tonnes load of cash each year , just what we need to get us started and to function appropriately .
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Rendell Harris

Wholeheartedly seconded, working from home every day I'm disturbed so often by charity knockers that I'm seriously considering having a "Charity Collectors: all our giving is done online" sign made (which is true but you wouldn't think so from the way the doorsteppers look at one when one says it) ; and yes, any charity that wastes the money I've given it on junk mail/flyers asking for more gets crossed off the list.

Response :
You know what Rendell , go for it ! – put up a sign , at least ‘door-steppers’ will undeniably know that charity leaflets and fundraisers are NOT welcome ( unless there autistic or dyslexic or blind or have no attention span ) …. I am cool with that – really I am fine with this ….

….But I do have one question though , if I can NOT afford an advert on Google [ costing 1p’s to £1’s per click or ‘exposure’ ] , or National TV [ costing into £1000’s per instance ] or National Newspapers or Property Billboards [ costing £100’s per day ]…. How , and I am serious here , how do I inform you or others like you ( without leafleting ) about a new charity that can help you or one family members directly and make a serious effect for the betterment of Britain ?
I really want to know – a logical answer would be appreciated .

I also want you to know how I ‘operate’ and instruct ALL my volunteers :
(1) We make sure our members are fully aware of the events that have happened over the past few years in relation to the third sector, and what these situations have left the sector now in the current climate . We know there are bad people out there , cunning liars and schemers in there hoards , BUT PLEASE DO NOT stereotype us into one lot of a particular negative category . We know , and we are trying to change things like this , do not shoot us down .
(2) We NEVER [ nor to intend ] to harass anyone , we ask ONLY once – we NEVER ask for money ! [ except when offered ] – we only wish to give you a leaflet that lets you know what we are up to [ nothing illicit ! ] , if refused – we simply disengage and move on to the next person ! - THIS exceeds the standards required by Charity Commission Fundraising Guidelines , all we want is to get the message out there , we are NOT asking for funds ‘on-the-spot’ , NOR are we asking for ‘bank details’ for Direct-Debits in order to attain regular payments , WE give the individual the option to financially help us out by simply using the information [website and local volunteers ] on the leaflets handed out . – It is as straight forward as that !
Note 1 : I would rather spend 0.5p [ 1/2 a penny ] to 2p on a leaflet , a physical ‘in-your-hand’ leaflet ( on recycled paper – and a simple ACCEPT or REJECT invitation towards the public taking a leaflet) than spend ridiculously insane large amounts of hard earned charity funds collected from the public [more on this later – because I want to see how you all react to this ! ] , just so on-the-off-chance 100’s or 1000’s of people see it – COSTING MORE than 0.5p to 2p PER PERSON ! – Face Palm , honestly !
Note 2 : I want to make this absolutely clear , I am only asking one individual/household , one time , for a donation [through the leaflet ] , a simple yes or no will do [keep or recycle] , and I intend NOT to return asking for more money [ even at a later time ! ] or attempt to submit leaflets/letters requesting for ‘MORE’ donations – I do dislike the general assumptions being made here on this forum .

Now I am starting to feel a LOT calmer that is off my chest 
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Sweetgirl

I couldn't have written it better myself!

I find it disturbing when charity knockers come to my door especially as there's not enough hours in my day .

Secondly I do my charity work personally when I travel.
[ Quick comment : Good for you – and bravo ! – I will not ask in what countries you do this in but still good to know as I do the same – when I can ! ]

I refuse to donate to many charities in the UK as a lot of money gets spent on advertising .
[ Quick comment : I CAN NOT agree with you more on this , it IS too true ! – it also gets wasted on ‘Administration Costs’ too  ]

Also, many charitable organisations are becoming very greedy.... This includes many pop up churches which have appeared over the past few years .
[ Quick comment : Again , I CAN NOT agree with you more , Are you my twin ? – are you a physic ? … because you are reading my mind !  ]
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And finally my view on OTHER charities :

A list of NO-NO’s ! ! !

Oxfam – NGO – Oxfam's Haiti director 68 yr old Roland Van Hauwermeiren – [ It is not ‘just’ him though ! ] .

Save The Children – NGO – admitted ‘problems’ and were linked to Oxfam’s embarrassment – concurred it was a “sector-wide” [ NGO ] sex scandal .

Barnados - NPO [ Non Profit Organization / Charity ] - I don’t want to go into this one , but you get familiar theme going on here …

NSPCC - Charity - Used fake child abuse stories to gain publicity in order to boosts revenue streams . They spent money on ‘glossy leaflets’ [ non-recyclable by the way ! ] , they spent money on producing expensive limited edition booklets for its supporters – and using four (4) 1st Class Stamps to send in the post . Also they were at the centre of a number of scandals in relation to its use of third party fundraising agencies and attempting to EXPLOIT LOOPHOLES in the Data Protection Act to contract Telephone Preference Service-registered people .

RSPCA – charity – They waste so much donated money on prosecutions , so much so , they took a pensioner to court because she was feeding her cat ‘the wrong flavour’ of cat food ! ….and I have a very looong list about this charity in particular , but for another time or on a YouTube video for historical prosperity .
And a quote from an animal lover [ and farmer ] to so-called ‘environmentalists’ :
“We are animal loving people , but the RSPCA have wrecked our lives . I have nothing but deep loathing for them , and I would advise anyone considering donating to them to think again . I used to think charities were there to help people , or in this case animals , but the RSPCA just want to get as many prosecutions under their belt as possible and use the publicity to raise money . They have taken away our animals . Our cats were like our family .”

And my List of GOOD / DECENT charities :

Blue Cross – An animal welfare charity that provides veterinarian services to the public , especially to those on low income families . I used this charity myself when I was 10 years old , I don’t have any pets anymore , but my friends working for the council , supermarkets and those that have pittance to survive on , they continue to say extremely good things about them . Everyone I know that used their services have ALWAYS made a voluntary donation/contribution , because we all know how much a regular private veterinarian costs !

MacMillan – Incredibly helpful/supportive administration and nursing teams across Britain , such a loving and empathising group of people , they are everyday heroes !

Saint Christophers Hospice – One of the best and one of the few , that help people with end-of-life care – including cancer patients . I hear nothing but good things at their centres [ albeit people dieing there ] but their loving warm attitudes and always lending a sympathetic ear to the family members that have just lost their loved ones .

Saint Giles Trust - I know a number of people through my charity work that GREATLY appreciated this charities help and support – I will say this though , If their beneficiaries were still criminals now , you would not like to bump into them in a dark alley .

Childline – although under NSPCC ownership [ NGO ] , I support this 24/7 outreach programme .

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Anyway I am done , I will stick with this topic/forum for a couple of days – then I will just delist from following it , I just want to see what people are saying , I wont make any more comments except if the nasty tone disappears , I know there are bad ‘beings’ out there but when folk talk like this , I lose a little faith in humanity , and makes me think ‘ it ! – grab a few beers , climb a mountain and watch the world burn/eat itself [ from the inside out ] along with its adopted core ideologies .

Peace , I’m out . [ microphone dropped ] .

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messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by se22cat December 02, 07:06PM

TLDR

messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by JoeLeg December 02, 08:25PM

@MatthewGBCN

Having waded through your almost impenetrable prose, syntax and logic, I get the impression that you’re passionate about what you do, and fairly unsympathetic to anyone who disagrees with your point of view. That’s your choice to be that way.

However, if you talk the way you write...well, good luck is all I can say.



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messageRe: To the kid asking everyone in the Picturehouse for sponsorship money
Posted by Angelina December 03, 05:33PM

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