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messageRe: "free" stuff in the offered section
Posted by Sue 16 November, 2010 14:16

Because other things being equal, I'd rather my things went to someone who genuinely wanted them, rather than someone who was going to sell them on.

In the case above, there were no pleasantries in any of the posts this person had responded to, just something along the lines of "I'll have this, phone me on *******

And as someone else has pointed out above, some of these people seem to be waiting to pounce immediately a "free" thread starts, so that they get in before anybody else has had a chance to see it.

I think the problem to me is, as I think for Louisiana, that this is a local community forum, not an offshoot of eBay, and this kind of behaviour just doesn't seem to me to be consistent with the spirit of that.

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Posted by HAL9000 16 November, 2010 19:14

I see what you mean - your free offers are aimed at the genuinely poor or disadvantaged?

Short of a means test, I'm not sure how one would effectively vet the intended recipients, though. Nonetheless, a commendable ambition: good luck.

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Posted by Peckhamgatecrasher 16 November, 2010 19:59

I tend to ask for things and offer things, by PM - so I'm not sure you can judge people by their public posts.

messageRe: "free" stuff in the offered section
Posted by Sue 16 November, 2010 20:14

Well exactly - PMs can cover a multitude of sins (not including you of course PGC big grin )

messageRe: "free" stuff in the offered section
Posted by Sue 16 November, 2010 20:17

HAL9000 Wrote:
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> I see what you mean - your free offers are aimed
> at the genuinely poor or disadvantaged?
>

xxxxxxx

No - I have been grateful to take advantage of free things offered on the forum, and I wouldn't call myself poor or disadvantaged, though probably more than a lot of people in ED big grin

As I said, I would rather they went to people who were going to make use of them personally, and also preferably to people who use the forum for more than just snapping up freebies.

But this all seems like a bit of a re-run of the Kimzy question mark thread ....

messageRe: "free" stuff in the offered section
Posted by Jeremy 16 February, 2011 09:35

IMO it is abuse of a gesture of good will. People don't necessarily give things away because they can't be bothered to sell them.

It's still going on, especially with TVs - so if this kind of thing bothers you, keep your eyes peeled.

messageRe: "free" stuff in the offered section
Posted by Sue 16 February, 2011 10:38

I gave away three books recently, had a few people interested and gave them to the first person to reply.

When she arrived to collect them, she looked in the bag and said "Oh, I thought there were more than that, I thought you said five to ten"!! That was it - not even a thank you.

I had clearly listed the titles, authors and publishers in my post, so there were clearly only three books.

I was well pissed off, wished I had given them to somebody else as I could probably have sold them online and got twenty quid or so and now suspect she is going to do the same as she only seemed interested in quantity rather than content and clearly hadn't read my post properly, just saw "free books" confused icon

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Posted by louisiana 16 February, 2011 15:05

I've had some of those too, Sue, from some EDF rogue names.

Now: I'd be perfectly happy to send them away with nothing. And I now don't give away to those who are not EDF proper participants. Period.

messageRe: "free" stuff in the offered section
Posted by Sue 16 February, 2011 15:20

I did think it was a bit odd that she PMed me within about a minute of my posting, because the books were quite specialised diversity titles and I didn't think there would be much interest.

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Posted by SeanMacGabhann 16 February, 2011 15:27

I'll repeat what I do - I just check the posting history. If they are genuine forumites they get first dibs

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Posted by DJKillaQueen 16 February, 2011 15:31

I think Seans advice is good advice. I'm having a clearout at the moment and will certainly do that when I start giving stuff away.

messageRe: "free" stuff in the offered section
Posted by Andicam 01 March, 2011 01:17

I've read quite a few of these threads concerning the giving away of free stuff and I think it's a load of nonsense. Why sit lording it over an old TV or some saucepans you're never going to use? How many posts do you need before you're worthy of receiving someone else's junk? I've noticed in the past the same names asking for Tvs and other things, but who's to know they received them?

Also the idea of checking previous posts is a stupid one. If you were to check mine it would tell you next to nothing, so how would you rate me? I've requested free items, bought many more and helped out via the wanted section, but most of this is done by PM.

Some of you seem to have a need to gripe when there are obvious ways around this. If you've got something to give away and you expect a bottle of wine or something else in return, don't head your post free, use swap instead. If you suspect the person collectimg an item is wanting to sell it on, either do as Louisiana does and send them away empty-handed or if you don't have the heart to do that, name the person the item went to at the end of your thread. Otherwise sell at a nominal price, but keep the price out of the header. Simple.

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Posted by aspidistra 01 March, 2011 18:01

Andicam, I think anyone seeing your past posts would see you are a regular forum participant (rather than just of seller of goods).

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Posted by skyblue 05 March, 2011 21:13

Would it be an idea for the forum to raise money for local charities by those who are wanting to recycle their stuff for free to have the option to ask the receiver to make a donation of a certain amount to a bank account set up for this purpose?

The forum set could set up an account and divide the funds raised between two local charities, perhaps the Dulwich Help Line and Kids Company, both of which do a lot of extremely worthwhile work locally. The amount raised could be shown on the forum and passed on to the charities periodically.

messageRe: "free" stuff in the offered section
Posted by Sue 05 March, 2011 22:36

Great idea skyblue, but sounds like it could be a logistical/administrative nightmare ......

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Posted by Huguenot 06 March, 2011 12:24

It's a great idea skyblue.

As it happens, there's already a site set up to do exactly this - it's called www.justgiving.com

If you go on there and set up your charity account, it actually lists people who donate, and the amount they donate.

All a poster needs to do is specify that the freecycler gaining the goods must have posted a donation of a certain amount on the site AFTER the date of the offer post. The poster can even specify the charity.

Really, really simple to do, and totally in your hands. All that Admin would need to do is post the policy as a sticky on the top of the section.

messageRe: "free" stuff in the offered section
Posted by Huguenot 06 March, 2011 12:33

In fact, Kid's Company seem to be here, but I can't find the helpline.

If that is the correct Kid's Company, you can check out their revenue and spending here. They seem to be run very tidily by that data smiling smiley

Dulwich Helpine acccounts can be seen here.

messageRe: "free" stuff in the offered section
Posted by Sue 06 March, 2011 16:43

Yes that's the correct Kids Company.

My partner is about to start doing some voluntary work with them.

messageRe: "free" stuff in the offered section
Posted by skyblue 06 March, 2011 19:03

Thanks Sue and Huguenot that is a great way of doing it. Would be good if it could happen.

messageRe: "free" stuff in the offered section
Posted by Huguenot 07 March, 2011 05:32

Well you can do it yourself skyblue. Next time you offer something say 'free to someone who makes a 10 donation to xxx on just giving.com. Please remember to check the box saying 'make donation visible'.

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Posted by silverfox 08 March, 2011 03:05

Why doesn't the EDF make a charge for advertising in the For sale and Wanted sections? surely the days of providing this service gratis are over?

Say, minimum 1 to advertise in the for sale section and 10% of sale price goes to EDF admin. Minimum 1 to post in Wanted section. Minimum 1 to advertise something free and minimum 1 to take/accept something free.

From what I see there must be at least 10 for sale ads and 10 wanted ads every day.

20 x 7 x 52 = 7,280 before your 10%

How do you administer it? Provide a sort of old fashioned PO box facility for all sales/wanted so everything goes through you rather than private truncations.

messageRe: "free" stuff in the offered section
Posted by silverfox 08 March, 2011 03:10

That last word is supposed to be transactions. these iPads are crap for text

messageRe: "free" stuff in the offered section
Posted by Sue 08 March, 2011 10:46

silverfox Wrote:
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> Why doesn't the EDF make a charge for advertising
> in the For sale and Wanted sections? surely the
> days of providing this service gratis are over?
>

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Probably because a lot of people would just turn to Gumtree, where the last time I advertised something it was free.

Or Freecycle for things they were giving away.

I prefer to use the forum because I see it as a local community thing, but if I had to pay to advertise something I was selling for a tenner, I wouldn't.

messageRe: "free" stuff in the offered section
Posted by aspidistra 09 March, 2011 19:57

Huguenot Wrote:
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> In fact, Kid's Company seem to be here, but I
> can't find the helpline.
>
> If that is the correct Kid's Company, you can
> check out their revenue and spending here. They
> seem to be run very tidily by that data smiling smiley
>
> Dulwich Helpine acccounts can be seen here.

Barbara Scott, the director of Dulwich Helpline, came to give a talk to the Dulwich Community Council meeting last night. A very impressive and capable woman, running a brill organisation with 220 volunteers. Apparently their Southwark funding is probably secure but their PCT funding is up in the air...

Maybe we need to drop her a line (big grin to see if she's interested in opening up a justgiving account?

messageRe: "free" stuff in the offered section
Posted by esme 15 May, 2011 13:08

...i think it is okay as long as people use the stuff they grab for free, can't imagine many make a business out of it tho could be naieve

messageRe: "free" stuff in the offered section
Posted by Sue 15 May, 2011 20:02

If you look at previous forum discussions on the subject I think it's pretty clear that a few people are actually taking free stuff to sell it on. Depends how you define a business I suppose.

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Posted by ChantalDesire 19 May, 2011 11:01

I Agree With HAL900 If you don't want a Item and can't be bothered to sell it then why do you care what happens to it otherwise. If people are using there time to make money out of free items then they obviously need the money and so therefore better the item helps someone then just lying at the bottom of a bin somewhere.

messageRe: "free" stuff in the offered section
Posted by Sue 19 May, 2011 12:41

ChantalDesire Wrote:
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> I Agree With HAL900 If you don't want a Item and
> can't be bothered to sell it then why do you care
> what happens to it otherwise. If people are using
> there time to make money out of free items then
> they obviously need the money and so therefore
> better the item helps someone then just lying at
> the bottom of a bin somewhere.

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Because if several people want an item, some people - including me - would rather it went to a person who was going to make use of it themselves.

I've got nothing against people making money out of items offered free, however what I do object to is people lying about the fact that they're doing it and saying that they want it for their own use when actually they don't.

messageRe: "free" stuff in the offered section
Posted by Jeremy 29 November, 2012 10:48

Sorry to revisit this old thread, by I do get annoyed by people who take advantage of the good nature of others.

Recently I spotted somebody who was asking for free furniture for their new flat. The line went something like "I just about managed to save enough money to buy my first flat, but I can't afford any furniture, please help". A few weeks later they were advertising a furnished flat for rent.

messageRe: "free" stuff in the offered section
Posted by Otta 29 November, 2012 11:04

No way!

These are the sort of people where I find myself wishing their flat would burn down (obviousle whilst empty).

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