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messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by JohnL 05 June, 2017 16:30

Years ago you could call mark from anywhere on the pitch - you had to actually make a mark though.

I could see it going to be honest.

messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by rendelharris 05 June, 2017 17:01

Ah, hadn't heard him say that Alan, thanks. So really the team composition for these first two games doesn't really give any clues as to his test team thinking.

I see what you mean about the rule seeming artificial, but then all rules are artificial to some extent I suppose. Maybe I'm biased as I played much of my early rugby on the wing (not due to scintillating speed, more on a "safest place for him" basis!) so it played to my advantage - if I'd been a halfback I'd probably have been against it.

I believe in the early game a mark could be made anywhere on the field, later it was changed to inside the 22 only. I could see problems if it were removed, as I think we'd just see an endless series of Garryowens aimed to drop on the 5m line instead of running the ball - there's enough belting downfield as it is (in my opinion) without removing one of the rules that discourages it.

messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by JohnL 07 June, 2017 08:40

Some lovely Warrenball from the Lions there

Round the corner ... repeat smiling smiley

messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by Alan Medic 07 June, 2017 09:39

Don't know how the managed to be losing at HT

messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by Mick Mac 07 June, 2017 09:45

Alan Medic Wrote:
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> Don't know how the managed to be losing at HT

Blame the post.

messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by rendelharris 07 June, 2017 09:58

Blues have started the second half better, look like they've got real belief. Lions still look tired and devoid of ideas.

messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by rendelharris 07 June, 2017 10:27

Wow, if there's a better try than that Blues one on 74m this tour it'll have to be something special.

messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by JohnL 07 June, 2017 11:12

Oh dear. It's that time of year again when us Welsh take the blame sad smiley Gatland's from NZ by the way.

Lions didn't really play that badly. Saturday important now.

messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by rendelharris 07 June, 2017 11:27

JohnL Wrote:
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> Oh dear. It's that time of year again when us
> Welsh take the blame sad smiley Gatland's from NZ by the
> way.
>
> Lions didn't really play that badly. Saturday
> important now.

I'm not blaming the Welsh! Except for Liam Williams, he was lucky to get away with the first hit in the air, to do a second one a minute later was idiotic and deserved the card.

messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by JohnL 07 June, 2017 11:33

rendelharris Wrote:
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> JohnL Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Oh dear. It's that time of year again when us
> > Welsh take the blame sad smiley Gatland's from NZ by
> the
> > way.
> >
> > Lions didn't really play that badly. Saturday
> > important now.
>
> I'm not blaming the Welsh! Except for Liam
> Williams, he was lucky to get away with the first
> hit in the air, to do a second one a minute later
> was idiotic and deserved the card.


Seeing tweets about welsh management (Warrenball) and too many Welsh players already.

To paraphrase someone We need to stick together and be Strong (and Stable) - it's not lost yet.

messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by Alan Medic 07 June, 2017 11:57

If I were to blame anyone it would be Sexton for the garryowen which led to lost possession and their try. Those high balls just seem like 50/50 so much of the time. Why risk losing the ball? A kick for terratory would have been a better option. Or, I could blame Best for that last line out throw though I don't know for sure that he didn't throw it where he intended to and it was the jumper's mistake.

I can't see Nowell getting near the test team but apart from him I didn't see anyone have a poor game.

messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by JohnL 07 June, 2017 12:08

Alan Medic Wrote:
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> If I were to blame anyone it would be Sexton for
> the garryowen which led to lost possession and
> their try. Those high balls just seem like 50/50
> so much of the time. Why risk losing the ball? A
> kick for terratory would have been a better
> option. Or, I could blame Best for that last line
> out throw though I don't know for sure that he
> didn't throw it where he intended to and it was
> the jumper's mistake.
>
> I can't see Nowell getting near the test team but
> apart from him I didn't see anyone have a poor
> game.

Has Gatland told them to keep the ball in play - but
then he always says he tells them to play what's in
front of them.

It's an old story - and I still don't know.

messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by rendelharris 07 June, 2017 12:26

Alan Medic Wrote:
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> If I were to blame anyone it would be Sexton for
> the garryowen which led to lost possession and
> their try. Those high balls just seem like 50/50
> so much of the time. Why risk losing the ball? A
> kick for terratory would have been a better
> option. Or, I could blame Best for that last line
> out throw though I don't know for sure that he
> didn't throw it where he intended to and it was
> the jumper's mistake.
>
> I can't see Nowell getting near the test team but
> apart from him I didn't see anyone have a poor
> game.

Agree with all of that, the pack were generally good but not outstanding (with the exception of Marler who I thought was poor when he came on and conceded an idiot penalty trying to crawl through the bottom of the ruck holding the ball), the backs were competent but not sparkling (except as you say, Nowell who just lacks the required pace and Williams for idiot behaviour) - just everyone a bit too just competent.

Kicking has long befuddled me - we've got possession on our 10m, shall we keep it and drive on or give it to the oppo on their 10m?

messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by JohnL 07 June, 2017 12:28

Gatland for years was of the school of thought that you kicked the ball 50m in play then turn it over when the opposition run back at you.

So you don't see a lot of balls kicked into touch.

But thought that might change with the Lions.

messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by JohnL 07 June, 2017 13:57

Wales Online goes for it's Lions test team

[www.walesonline.co.uk]

What only 8 Welshmen - Where's Rhys Webb smiling smiley smiling smiley .

Not that I'm counting nationalities - but it won't be that.



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messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by rendelharris 07 June, 2017 14:28

Not sure I'd play Wynn Jones or Davies, and Owens and Best are about neck and neck, the other five seem fair enough.

messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by maxxi 07 June, 2017 14:44

rendelharris Wrote:
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>
> Kicking has long befuddled me - we've got
> possession on our 10m, shall we keep it and drive
> on or give it to the oppo on their 10m?

A GOOD kick is for far more than relieving pressure though - it means that you run forward to put pressure on the receiver but that the opposition has to run back and, having done so, has to get behind the ball before they are in play. A little psychological advantage and turnover is always a little more possible or the receiver might kick into touch giving a territorial advantage as well as possession.

A BAD kick gives the opposition possession and all the time needed to mount a counter. Kickers are either loved or reviled by their forwards (depending on how much running to and from they have to do while fly-halfs swap kicks).

messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by Mick Mac 07 June, 2017 14:59

JohnL Wrote:
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> What only 8 Welshmen - Where's Rhys Webb smiling smiley smiling smiley .
>
> Not that I'm counting nationalities - but it won't
> be that.

Don't be so sure - only a brave man would be against it. I mean Wales won the last Lions series. ;)

messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by rendelharris 07 June, 2017 15:03

maxxi Wrote:
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Kickers are
> either loved or reviled by their forwards
> (depending on how much running to and from they
> have to do while fly-halfs swap kicks).

Yep, when I moved to back/2nd row in my later years there was a lot of "if you're going to kick it we're going to keep it for ourselves" going on!

messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by maxxi 07 June, 2017 15:03

200 - sorry smiling smiley

messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by Alan Medic 07 June, 2017 15:22

All a bit premature as 11 guys haven't had a start yet. If Farrell has a good game on Saturday, he'll be the Saturday 10. Murray has 9 to lose. North should be a certainty. Anyway, that's 3 for starters. Fill in the blanks ☺

messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)attachment
Posted by Alan Medic 08 June, 2017 06:11

Only 1 correct prediction in Round 2 and we have a new leader.

http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/file.php?20,file=262238

http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/file.php?20,file=262239



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messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by Alan Medic 09 June, 2017 09:27

Round 3 v Crusaders tomorrow morning @ 8.35.

messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by red devil 09 June, 2017 16:39

This is proving a lot harder to predict than the 6-Nations. The Lions are essentially a scratch team with lots of changes, and I've no idea about sides like Crusaders, except the BBC saying that they are the in-forn Super Rugby side...Hmmmm

messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by Alan Medic 09 June, 2017 17:43

Yeah, I know what you mean. Crusaders are the top team in NZ. Unbeaten at home this season. Lions playing an almost entirely new team again. Everyone will have had a start by tomorrow. I think midweek / Saturday teams will become apparent after this game.

messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by rendelharris 10 June, 2017 08:51

This is a lot more like it, cracking play!

messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by Alan Medic 10 June, 2017 09:31

Would be nice to see some Lions tries

messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by rendelharris 10 June, 2017 09:45

They'll come - I fancy Watson for one, he's been great since the unfortunate friendly fire on Hogg.

messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)attachment
Posted by Alan Medic 11 June, 2017 06:22

Results after Round 3.

http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/file.php?20,file=262513

http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/file.php?20,file=262514



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messageRe: EDF Lions Predictor Game (Rugby)
Posted by Alan Medic 12 June, 2017 06:52

Next match is tomorrow @ 8.35am v Highlanders.

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