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messageSweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by Louisa 07 April, 2016 17:11

Just been horrified by reading about this new shop coming to part of the former ED deli unit on LL. A visit to their website shows the kinds of goods they sell, and from this I can only imagine the sort of pram pushing, take away coffee holding, sunglasses wearing yummies this sort of unit will attract. I always knew that deli was a springboard for later post-gentrification chains to move in and take over, and it's come to pass. I am feeling helpless currently. All these years of campaigning for a a fairer mixed ED has come to nothing. I'm tempted to invest in some placards and take to the streets, or contact lidl and get them to stick a metro store next door once Brissi move on! The final nail is indeed in the ED coffin.

Louisa.

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by uncleglen 07 April, 2016 17:19

A yoga vest £55 ...blimey- is that truly in the spirit of yoga? More money than sense some people

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by Louisa 07 April, 2016 17:24

Indeed uncleglen. Posh bankers wives with bugger all else to do than shop for goods they'll probably never use. Must feel good walking into 'saw you coming etc' and sneering at people like me ordering a doner & chips next door. Grrr.

Louisa.

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by rahrahrah 07 April, 2016 17:37

Have you checked out the prices in Question Air a couple of doors down. Really bland, conservative casual wear at high prices. Uninspiring and over priced.

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by DulwichFox 07 April, 2016 17:49

People are getting what they wished for... Kind of started with wishing for M&S too replace Iceland.

DulwichFox

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by ££££ 07 April, 2016 17:53

uncleglen Wrote:
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> A yoga vest £55 ...blimey- is that truly in the
> spirit of yoga? More money than sense some people


Yup 'the more money than' sense thing always really makes sense as a stupid, ignorant generalization ; rich people who earn more money are always more stupid than poorer people who earn less. Before the worthy jump in, I am aware there's some very clever poor people and some very stupid rich people but the premise behind this stupid phrase is fundamentally flawed.

Louisa is this 15th or 16th Last nail in the ED coffin? I'm losing count

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by ££££ 07 April, 2016 17:57

Louisa Wrote:
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> Indeed uncleglen. Posh bankers wives with bugger
> all else to do than shop for goods they'll
> probably never use. Must feel good walking into
> 'saw you coming etc' and sneering at people like
> me ordering a doner & chips next door. Grrr.
>
> Louisa.

LOL if you think proper bankers are in SE22 in any real numbers - where's the sneering in SE22, only on the forum in spades from some is where I see it. I suspect you're as nice a s pie to 'them' in real life eh Lou? All this suppressed anger has to get out somewhere.

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by Louisa 07 April, 2016 17:57

Up-market small chain boutiques are unquestionably now replacing the indepedent gentrifying businesses of the early to mid 00's, in ED. the 'Northcote' effect has materialised, as predicted (and despite of limited space within retail units) by myself and others way back in 2007. As soon as M&S made a move on the lane, other chains (albeit smaller) have/are/will continue to follow suit. I feel for people like myself, but without cars, who are now no longer able to afford to pop to the local shops to get the bare basics. This is a residential area first and foremost and we need useable shops for the whole community where you can grab a pint of milk and a newspaper.

Louisa.

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by ££££ 07 April, 2016 18:05

yup there sure are no places where you can grab a pint of milk or a paper on LL (almost too many to count)/Northcross Rd 1. Whatley Road (2 I think); Crystal Palace Road - at least 1; I could go on.......

Serious question Lou - don't you ever get bored of your trolling ever? It's been the same schlep for 9 years....

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by Louisa 07 April, 2016 18:06

££££ Wrote:
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> LOL if you think proper bankers are in SE22 in any
> real numbers - where's the sneering in SE22, only
> on the forum in spades from some is where I see
> it. I suspect you're as nice a s pie to 'them' in
> real life eh Lou? All this suppressed anger has to
> get out somewhere.

Maybe they aren't, but just up the road in SE21 I'm sure many bankers have homes, seeing as their are numerous private schools nearby, and guess where they'll go shopping quids? Somewhere on their doorstep perhaps? So not only are these new chain shops aimed at out of town folk (in effect), they're also depriving the SE22 community of a useable high street in a residential neighborhood! I am nice to people if they are nice to me, from experience I've dealt with more anger and confrontation directed at me through pavement rage and day to day ignorance (eg not thanking me for holding a door open in shops etc) from people of this social class than any other. Just my personal observation.

Louisa.

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by LondonMix 07 April, 2016 18:06

Small boutiques can obviously replace small independents. The space argument concerns large chains, which despite all the hang ringing has not materialised in the area. The units that are large enough for them have chains and the little shops don't. Its always been clear that as the area become richer the small independent shops and boutiques here would likely change to reflect that.

Burro e Salvia replacing Speedo Pizza is a perfect example.

Anyway, no one shopped ad ED Deli (which had a concession in Harrods anyhow). I've enjoyed the pop-ups but now that its leased, I hope the new store does well.

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by nxjen 07 April, 2016 18:06

"We need useable shops for the whole community where you can grab a pint of milk and a newspaper"

Co-op?
2 Sainburys?
Budgen?
Shop on Barry Road?

I'm sure there are many more.

Am interested in how you've campaigned other than making sniping posts on the Forum.

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by LondonMix 07 April, 2016 18:09

Don't forget the locksmiths, the vets, dry cleaners, laundrymat, two DIY stores, opticians, etc.

Its ridiculous to say this shop is robbing ED of a useful shop. ED Deli who was there before was barely used, which is why it closed and there are many other places selling similar stuff in the area.

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by Louisa 07 April, 2016 18:12

££££ Wrote:
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> yup there sure are no places where you can grab a
> pint of milk or a paper on LL (almost too many to
> count)/Northcross Rd 1. Whatley Road (2 I think);
> Crystal Palace Road - at least 1; I could go
> on.......
>
> Serious question Lou - don't you ever get bored
> of your trolling ever? It's been the same schlep
> for 9 years....


And there in lays the problem quids, you assume I am trolling. Do you honestly believe I would have contributed to the forum for all these years if I were only here to cause a stink about gentrification? You base your current assumptions of me on a handful of posts (barely 20% I would guesstimate) over the entire 9 year period. This troll thing is getting boring.

Louisa.

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by Louisa 07 April, 2016 18:17

LondonMix Wrote:
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> Don't forget the locksmiths, the vets, dry
> cleaners, laundrymat, two DIY stores, opticians,
> etc.
>
> Its ridiculous to say this shop is robbing ED of a
> useful shop. ED Deli who was there before was
> barely used, which is why it closed and there are
> many other places selling similar stuff in the
> area.

LM the problem is small independents are being replaced by small chains. It's the classic outcome of this process. This unit started off as a second hand shop, then 'pioneer' gentrifiers came in and opened a delicatessen which was very popular in the early years then started to drop off the radar as the process picked up and wealthier folk moved in. And now we are at the stage where the chain boutique takes over. Yes we have plenty of indepedents still, but for how much longer? Do we really want to end up like Notting Hill in 20 years time? Nowhere to buy a loaf of bread because every commercial unit is a boutique!

Louisa.

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by DulwichFox 07 April, 2016 18:19

There are no shops on Whateley Road.. The Chip shop closed years ago.. So did the Jeans shop..
And the Tyre shop has long gone...

Oh I forgot about Bells.. on Lordship Lane.. with the side entrance on Whateley..


DulwichFox



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was 2016:04:07:18:25:50 by DulwichFox.

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by Louisa 07 April, 2016 18:21

nxjen Wrote:
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> "We need useable shops for the whole community
> where you can grab a pint of milk and a
> newspaper"
>
> Co-op?
> 2 Sainburys?
> Budgen?
> Shop on Barry Road?
>
> I'm sure there are many more.
>
> Am interested in how you've campaigned other than
> making sniping posts on the Forum.

I am assuming you didn't notice my spring campaign to prevent daffodils being killed in our local parks? I've had numerous verbal confrontation with bullying pavement hoggers and communal plant killers.

Louisa.

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by maxxi 07 April, 2016 18:26

This tiresome bollocks again!?

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by LondonMix 07 April, 2016 18:30

Ah, ED Deli has terrible customer service. Given it had a concession in Harrods, it didn't fail because it wasn't posh enough.

This unit and Foxton's are the only places large enough for a chain on LL that doesn't already have one that I can think of.

I agree the shops around here will increasingly get posher though, which is what it is. I was in Crystal Palace the other day and it reminded me of ED 10 years ago and it was a nice feeling. Ah well, what's past is past.


Louisa Wrote:
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> LondonMix Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Don't forget the locksmiths, the vets, dry
> > cleaners, laundrymat, two DIY stores,
> opticians,
> > etc.
> >
> > Its ridiculous to say this shop is robbing ED of
> a
> > useful shop. ED Deli who was there before was
> > barely used, which is why it closed and there
> are
> > many other places selling similar stuff in the
> > area.
>
> LM the problem is small independents are being
> replaced by small chains. It's the classic outcome
> of this process. This unit started off as a second
> hand shop, then 'pioneer' gentrifiers came in and
> opened a delicatessen which was very popular in
> the early years then started to drop off the radar
> as the process picked up and wealthier folk moved
> in. And now we are at the stage where the chain
> boutique takes over. Yes we have plenty of
> indepedents still, but for how much longer? Do we
> really want to end up like Notting Hill in 20
> years time? Nowhere to buy a loaf of bread because
> every commercial unit is a boutique!
>
> Louisa.

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by LondonMix 07 April, 2016 18:31

Ah, there is a couple of news agents, a hairdresser, a cafe and the Great Exhibition Pub. I'm not sure how many more shops a side street needs.


DulwichFox Wrote:
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> There are no shops on Whateley Road.. The Chip
> shop closed years ago.. So did the Jeans shop..
> And the Tyre shop has long gone...
>
> Oh I forgot about Bells.. on Lordship Lane.. with
> the side entrance on Whateley..
>
>
> DulwichFox

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by DulwichFox 07 April, 2016 18:41

LondonMix Wrote:
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> Ah, there is a couple of news agents, a
> hairdresser, a cafe and the Great Exhibition Pub.
> I'm not sure how many more shops a side street
> needs.
>
>
> DulwichFox Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > There are no shops on Whateley Road.. The Chip
> > shop closed years ago.. So did the Jeans shop..
>
> > And the Tyre shop has long gone...
> >
> > Oh I forgot about Bells.. on Lordship Lane..
> with
> > the side entrance on Whateley..
> >
> >
> > DulwichFox

They are are on Underhill Road. Sorry to be pedantic.. BUT ££££ was making an issue that Louisa was Trolling.
And I have been critised for not getting my facts right..

Foxy

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by nxjen 07 April, 2016 18:42

Louisa Wrote:
>
> I am assuming you didn't notice my spring campaign
> to prevent daffodils being killed in our local
> parks? I've had numerous verbal confrontation with
> bullying pavement hoggers and communal plant
> killers.
>
> Louisa.

But where's your petition? Can't be a campaigner unless you got a petition.

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by DulwichFox 07 April, 2016 18:46

nxjen Wrote:
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> Louisa Wrote:
> >
> > I am assuming you didn't notice my spring
> campaign
> > to prevent daffodils being killed in our local
> > parks? I've had numerous verbal confrontation
> with
> > bullying pavement hoggers and communal plant
> > killers.
> >
> > Louisa.
>
But where's your petition? Can't be a campaigner unless you got a petition.

A Campaign in itself does not need a Petition..

DulwichFox

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by LondonMix 07 April, 2016 18:55

You got me! The places I named are all on the other side of Crystal Palace road where the street changes-- obviously 30 seconds walk from the name changeover but still, not technically there.



DulwichFox Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> LondonMix Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ah, there is a couple of news agents, a
> > hairdresser, a cafe and the Great Exhibition
> Pub.
> > I'm not sure how many more shops a side street
> > needs.
> >
> >
> > DulwichFox Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > There are no shops on Whateley Road.. The
> Chip
> > > shop closed years ago.. So did the Jeans
> shop..
> >
> > > And the Tyre shop has long gone...
> > >
> > > Oh I forgot about Bells.. on Lordship Lane..
> > with
> > > the side entrance on Whateley..
> > >
> > >
> > > DulwichFox
>
> They are are on Underhill Road. Sorry to be
> pedantic.. BUT ££££ was making an issue that
> Louisa was Trolling.
> And I have been critised for not getting my facts
> right..
>
> Foxy

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by Louisa 07 April, 2016 19:03

Precisely foxy. What is this modern day obsession with online or otherwise petitions? Can one not hold a particular view and express it without being told they are a troll who doesn't have a petition. On the side note of useable chains, it would be nice to have facilities we can all use as a community. I wouldn't have had a problem with pret a manger or space nk coming into this space for example.

Louisa.

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by nxjen 07 April, 2016 19:05

Do either of you get irony?

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by Seabag 07 April, 2016 21:31

Louisa Wrote:
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> Indeed uncleglen. Posh bankers wives with bugger
> all else to do than shop for goods they'll
> probably never use. Must feel good walking into
> 'saw you coming etc' and sneering at people like
> me ordering a doner & chips next door. Grrr.
>
> Louisa.

To be fair, you could order a single Donner

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by Blah Blah 07 April, 2016 22:05

Aren't rising unit rents somewhat to blame as well for overpiced 'boutiques'?

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by malumbu 07 April, 2016 22:31

More importantly what happened to the decent pubs?

You've even managed to ruin the ones on your borders.

Surely there must be a backlash. I was in the Blythe tonight, what a great mix. People in to watch the footy, the trad Irish band, a young womens Gaelic football team, younger people in mixed and single gender groups having a great time. And not a hipster in sight, and no rows and rows of trendy ciders or 'craft ales' at the bar.

The last place I drank in was the Crystal Palace Tavern. RIP. Well you've got what you wanted.

messageRe: Sweaty Betty - the final nail in the gentrification coffin?
Posted by Louisa 07 April, 2016 22:51

Blah Blah Wrote:
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> Aren't rising unit rents somewhat to blame as well
> for overpiced 'boutiques'?


Rising unit rents are only happening because of the chanting demographic and the disposable income available to them. When a family who grew up in ED with parents and grandparents born their, and are unable to afford a 4 bed house for themselves and kids, something is surely wrong. When a small indepedent convenience shop is also unable to do the same thing, the result is wealthy newcomers from the burbs and beyond renting and buying the commercial and resedential stock and changing the neighborhood.

Louisa.

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