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messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by Lordship 516 05 June, 2017 18:27

keano77 Wrote:


> Not necessarily. It's generally accepted that the
> Paris Accord, while being the best international
> agreement we have so far, will do very little to
> solve climate change.

The Paris Accord is constructed as a precurser to an effective solution that will emanate from the PA over time. It seeks to align many different attitudes & circumstances so that future agreements can be negotiated within an agreed framework & flexible timetables. As such it is better that all the squabbling, ducking & diving that went before it as it will lead each country to set down defined criteria whereby they intend to operate.


> At the moment we have green technology subsidised
> by tax payers that doesn't work. Wind turbines
> that need to be turned off if it's too windy.
> Solar panels that cost more to produce and run
> than the energy they provide.

A lot of the product of wind turbines is unused or underused due to much of the power is being produced at nighttime [generated at night when demand is lowest]. This is currently being worked on by way of refining the costs & methodologies of storage [batteries & electricity to gas/hydrogen] that show some economic promise [timeshifting - produce @ 2.5P at night & sell @ 9.5p during the day - the differential more than pays for the storage] This will reduce the number of thermal generators during peak demand. Little by little it will get refined & CO2 reduced significently. Water can be split to raw hydrogen & oxygen at 40% of the stored power - It can be combined with CO2 to form CH4 [methane] in a virtuous circle, in both streams the surplus oxygen can be used to combust the hydrogen/methane leading to a 'sweeter' mix & less dioxins produced - it will come on stream within the next 5 years or so as the processes are refined & become more economic. The economics are already promising & the savings in CO2 significent.

Modern solar panels vary in their carbon footprint including the embodied energy of mining the materials & production.
For the UK this approximates to about 60grams/kWh of electricity produced & for southern Europe it approximates to 35 grams/kWh of electricity produced. This is 10 times lower than the output of fossil fuels [typically 500 grams/kWh in the UK & over 1000 grams/kWh for coal fired generators.

Maintenance of PV panels is minimal - mostly a bucket & sponge for cleaning & replacement of some minor electronics & rectifiers. Most PV panels for industrial use come with 20/30 year guarantees both for performance & breakdown.

The environmental payback for the UK is down to 2.5 years or thereabouts & the economic payback is currently down to about 5 years @ 900 kWh/M2/year. For southern Europe the equivalent is 1.5 years for environmental payback & about 3.5 years for economic payback.

Its best to interrogate the actualities of these technologies before you jump to criticize the efforts being made to date. It is a work in progress & has been better than doing nothing.

> It amuses me that Facebook and Apple are
> pretending to be outraged. Between them they have
> probably been responsible or more electricity
> consumption (in the West at least) manufacturing
> tablets and phones, constantly recharging them, to
> engage in social media.

Apple, Amazon & Facebook are at the forefront of reducing their footprints & also at the leading edge of energy storage not only for environmental reasons but for continued security of supply.

Greater reduction can be achieved by reducing demand mainly through increasing insulation but the conservative government abandoned the near Zero/Sustainability 6 requirements for new homes. This was a retrograde step lobbied for by Tory backing major developers so they could save a very small amount of money [about £5,000 to £10,000 per unit] that they want to go directly to their bottom line.

> Resist the knee-jerk reaction malumbu.

keano77 - Methinks that it is yourself that excels at the kneejerks..!



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messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by keano77 05 June, 2017 19:42

Very informative Lordship 516. I agree that all these technologies show promise and hopefully one day will be fit for purpose.

What you conveniently fail to mention is all this nascent technology is hugely subsidised by the tax payer. As it doesn't really work yet companies are not spending huge R&D in the field unless governments cough up because there's no profit in it.

An interesting post-US withdrawal from the Paris Agreement row on Newsnight cited figures from the International Energy Agency that current global subsidies are $150Bn a year and that the IEA estimates that over the next 25 years $3 Trillion will go in subsidies. (A counter argument here is those subsidies create green industries and jobs but it is still inefficient technology).

(Newsnight 31 May around 35 mins)

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by robbin 05 June, 2017 19:51

rendelharris Wrote:
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> But very easy to be a foolish rightwing
> libertarian, clearly... Don't
> give me some old guff about whether I had a shower
> today or not, answer a grownup question.
>
> By the way, in response to your nonsense above, I
> cycled and walked everywhere I needed to go today,
> I don't have a TV, I have a wind-up alarm clock, I
> use a broom not a vacuum cleaner, I don't have a
> dishwasher, I get my electricity (which I use
> sparingly) from the greenest supplier possible
> despite the fact that it's not the cheapest... Of
> course, to you that's being sanctimonious - a
> cheap and stupid word used by people who don't
> like the idea that other people might make more
> effort to be environmentally sound than them. Ooh
> aren't I holier than thou - damn' right I am.

Ha! Now I'm beginning to understand why you seem so miserable the whole time Rendel. I'll make sure I'm extra nice to you in future! Chin up.

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by rendelharris 05 June, 2017 19:58

Well isn't that sweet of you. I can assure you I'm very happy though, I just get my happiness through beer, bicycles and blues rather than through excessive consumption (except of beer and bicycles).



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messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by robbin 05 June, 2017 20:12

That's good. Bicycles are the best pick me up. I'd go easy on the blues though.

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by maxxi 05 June, 2017 22:24

robbin Wrote:
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> I'd go easy on the blues though.


Indeed - try Dexys instead* if you want to keep your chin up.



*Gag for old mod/punks

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by steveo 05 June, 2017 22:31

Blues: One's not enough and two's too many

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by Lordship 516 06 June, 2017 11:19

"Boris Johnson has said he sees “no reason” to withdraw Donald’s Trump state visit..."

Johnson sees no reason - ever..!

He's just an obnoxious Bullingdon yob...

Should eff off to US where he belongs...

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by nxjen 06 June, 2017 12:28

Goodness me, a post from Lordship 516 I could understand.

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by Lordship 516 06 June, 2017 13:11

smiling smiley

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by rendelharris 08 June, 2017 16:08

Keeping an eye on the live feed of the Comey hearing...no definite evidence of wrongdoing as yet (plenty of circumstantial, much seems to hinge on whether saying "I hope you can drop the investigation" was the expression of a personal hope or a veiled order) - pretty extraordinary statement from Comey though that although he never kept notes of his meetings with Obama or Bush he did with Trump because "I was honestly concerned that he might lie about the nature of our meeting."

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by steveo 08 June, 2017 16:16

He will if he needs to

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by red devil 08 June, 2017 16:19

Lordy I hope there are tapes... smiling smiley

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by titch juicy 08 June, 2017 16:46

It's making fascinating listening.

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by red devil 08 June, 2017 16:53

Comey hasn't answered certain questions because it's an open session, so when he answers in the later closed session and it proves to be a grenade right up Trumpy's backside, what happens then?...

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by steveo 08 June, 2017 17:27

I don't know if I might miss Trump when he is gone.

I'm quite enjoying watching him go insane.

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by rendelharris 08 June, 2017 19:42

steveo Wrote:
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> I don't know if I might miss Trump when he is
> gone.
>
> I'm quite enjoying watching him go insane.


Know what you mean but I'd sooner watch him go insane a little further away from the button - terrifying interview on PM last year with the guy who co-wrote The Art of the Deal with him, "Trump would be quite capable of starting a nuclear war just because he thought he wasn't being shown enough respect."

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by JoeLeg 08 June, 2017 20:17

I'm quite convinced the Republican Party has him firmly under control. I believe they already have a dossier that would sink him; there's no way they would allow him to even slightly undermine their plans. Power rests inside the beltway and Trump has learned that, if he starts to leave the reservation they'll deal with him, one way or another.

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by IlonaM 02 July, 2017 20:22

Just when you thought you could breathe easy that a visit was off ...

[www.standard.co.uk]

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by JohnL 21 July, 2017 17:38

Sean Spicer has flounced.

[www.bbc.co.uk]

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by Seabag 22 July, 2017 00:49

I liked Spicer

But even D T stopped believing him

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by JohnL 28 July, 2017 12:28

This 'White House' show isn't bad - The new character is called Mooch

[www.newyorker.com]

I like the parting shot “Yeah, let me go, though, because I’ve gotta start tweeting some shit to make this guy crazy.”

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by malumbu 28 July, 2017 13:02

Great interview by Emily on newsnight of Scaramanga (maybe the late Chistopher Lee would have done a better job of press secretary.

[www.huffingtonpost.co.uk]

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by Loz 28 July, 2017 13:18

The Mash Report last night: "Scaramucci - a man who looks like every single 80's movie baddie."

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by snowy 28 July, 2017 13:29

America's Director of Communications latest tweet:


[twitter.com]

"I made a mistake in trusting in a reporter. It won't happen again." after ringing up New Yorker magazine and talking to a journalist.

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by Loz 31 July, 2017 19:49

And he's gone!

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by JoeLeg 31 July, 2017 20:43

And slowly but surely the Republican Party reminds Trump that they own his arse.

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by Seabag 31 July, 2017 20:52

I was starting to like him, in a kind of "I really don't like you" kind of way

He didn't look so cool without his glasses, and he looked like he'd been crying too.

Pah, plastic baddies just havn't got it theses days.

Next?

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by JoeLeg 31 July, 2017 21:02

John Kelly has been bought in to be a proper Leo McGarry, no doubt. He looks like he'd eat your eyeballs without breaking a sweat.

messageRe: A general thread to discuss Trump
Posted by red devil 31 July, 2017 23:20

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