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messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by rendelharris 02 June, 2017 09:53

uncleglen Wrote:
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> Way back in the 1970s the WRP had a manifesto
> which included setting up a workers' militia
> instead of the police, locking everyone up who was
> a drug addict or alcoholic- because apparently in
> their 'utopia' people would not need these escapes
> - some of the members I met were teachers, Vanessa
> Redgrave and her late brother, Robert Powell
> popped up at a spring fair fund raiser, and Mungo
> Jerry (the band) played at the conference.
> These ideas do not go away- their adherents are
> just better than they used to be at hiding them...

Way back in the 1960s some Tory candidates campaigned with the slogan "If you want a nigger neighbour, vote Labour." These ideas don't go away, and their adherents don't even bother trying to hide them.

messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by Green Goose 02 June, 2017 09:58

rendelharris Wrote:
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> uncleglen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Way back in the 1970s the WRP had a manifesto
> > which included setting up a workers' militia
> > instead of the police, locking everyone up who
> was
> > a drug addict or alcoholic- because apparently
> in
> > their 'utopia' people would not need these
> escapes
> > - some of the members I met were teachers,
> Vanessa
> > Redgrave and her late brother, Robert Powell
> > popped up at a spring fair fund raiser, and
> Mungo
> > Jerry (the band) played at the conference.
> > These ideas do not go away- their adherents are
> > just better than they used to be at hiding
> them...
>
> Way back in the 1960s some Tory candidates
> campaigned with the slogan "If you want a nigger
> neighbour, vote Labour." These ideas don't go
> away, and their adherents don't even bother trying
> to hide them.

You just can't resist the urge to scratch that itch you have ,can you? Or is pouring salt in your own wounds?

messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by Jenny1 02 June, 2017 10:10

I actually like seeing a variety of political posters in windows. It shows a degree of serious engagement with the electoral process. I've never had any sympathy with people who don't even vote and yet feel free to grumble about the society they live in.

messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by rendelharris 02 June, 2017 10:14

Green Goose Wrote:

> You just can't resist the urge to scratch that
> itch you have ,can you? Or is pouring salt in your
> own wounds?

Just to save you time and trolling energy, after this message I've decided to ignore your childish attempts at provocation in the same way I'm now deleting your tedious private messages unread - do stop sending them, even you must have better things to do with your life than to harass people who couldn't care less about your opinions via private message. If you ever have anything to say which is actually relevant to discussion, do post it - in public - and I'll be glad to debate. Until then, your drivel will be ignored, both publicly and privately.

messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by KalamityKel 03 June, 2017 09:20

rendelharris Wrote:
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> Green Goose Wrote:
>
> > You just can't resist the urge to scratch that
> > itch you have ,can you? Or is pouring salt in
> your
> > own wounds?
>
> Just to save you time and trolling energy, after
> this message I've decided to ignore your childish
> attempts at provocation in the same way I'm now
> deleting your tedious private messages unread - do
> stop sending them, even you must have better
> things to do with your life than to harass people
> who couldn't care less about your opinions via
> private message. If you ever have anything to say
> which is actually relevant to discussion, do post
> it - in public - and I'll be glad to debate.
> Until then, your drivel will be ignored, both
> publicly and privately.

You get PMs? I feel strangely jealous! winking smiley

*suggests a group hug... ?

messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by miga 05 June, 2017 08:33

Lordship 516 Wrote:
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> miga Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Clearly the most effective way to reduce
> spending
> > is to eliminate anyone over 65 in a one off
> budget
> > rebalancing cull. Apart from reducing the
> pensions
> > bill, this will solve the housing crisis as
> well
> > as the NHS capacity issues.
>
> Why stop with eliminating the old? - eliminate the
> sick, the disabled, the poor & the unemployed &
> you can have your ideal eugenicist utopia that
> the gallant Nazi cousins fought for. Then the
> £258billion saved would build all the houses that
> were needed - solution all round. Fixed.

Let's not over reach, one group at a time. We've done the immigrants, let's do the elderly next and see where we end up, yeah?

messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by Borky 05 June, 2017 09:08

Without bringing the thread down a notch (like LOL) - it will be a brave party - and possibly forward thinking - that moots the idea of allowing an end of life option for those with sound minds and the ability to choose an end to suffering.

/ends

messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by miga 05 June, 2017 12:24

Everyone wants to balance the budget until nan's on the line.

messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by rahrahrah 05 June, 2017 13:30

Winder Wrote:
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> One sees the odd house with a poster in the window
> or a bill board in the front yard saying " VOTE
> for ****".
>
> Is this naff or should we all be doing it?

One of the houses on my street has stuck up handwritten anti-Labour messages that they've had their young children write / draw. Things about 'no magic money tree' and 'McDonnell is a Marxist' etc.



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messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by red devil 05 June, 2017 14:02

Were they signed Glen, aged 5yo in the corner?...

messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by rahrahrah 05 June, 2017 18:09

Ha! I did think it was a pretty bad advert for the Conservatives - coaching kids in the art of negative campaigning. Perhaps it's reverse psychology from a Labour voter.



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messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by ££££ 05 June, 2017 20:19

Labour Banners get left alone Tory ones graffitied, torn down or ripped up such is the general decency, commitment to a 'gentler, kinder politics' and respect of democracy from the wonderful and enlightened harridans of Maomentum etc

messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by red devil 05 June, 2017 21:11

I once drew a Hitler moustache on a Le Pen* election poster whilst on holiday in France...A few bières had previously been downed smiling smiley

*Papa Le Pen

messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by JoeLeg 05 June, 2017 21:12

Most of Momentum are frankly one step removed from the psychos in the youth wing of the ANC. They make me ashamed to be a Labour supporter.

messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by ££££ 05 June, 2017 23:02

and some of them are right up top of your party = policy, advisors, McDonnells secret army

messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by rahrahrah 05 June, 2017 23:10

Your just as bad as the ranting 'Canary' lot quids. Just as hysterical. The Labour Party aren't Maoists any more than the Conservatives are Fascists. It's childish hyperbole and your guilty of it as much as those you're criticising.

messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by red devil 05 June, 2017 23:14

If anyone wants to put up a poster of Quids, I'll happily draw a Hitler moustache on it...hic!

messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by rahrahrah 05 June, 2017 23:14

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messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by JoeLeg 05 June, 2017 23:47

££££ Wrote:
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> and some of them are right up top of your party =
> policy, advisors, McDonnells secret army


Yeah, I know...I know.
V
Honestly? I generally try to be a moderate. I hold strident views on certain things but for the most part I believe in the value of compromise and cooperation, there are times when I recognise my view is not the majority view and I accept that. I live in a democracy and while I'm free to argue my case and complain about the outcome, losing sometimes is part of that. I also don't subscribe to the narrative that the Tory party is evil personified. I disagree with a large parts of what they do, but I also like having free and fair elections and so again, losing is sometimes part of the price I pay for living where I do.

But a strong Labour Party - or any party - has a role to play as effective opposition, without which any government can run amoke. But I'm very nervous about what will emerge the other side of the GE. I simply don't understand some of what Corbyn is doing. I keep thinking that somehow Labour will suddenly coalesce into this coherent and unified party with a sense of purpose and an understanding of the electorate.

And then Dianne Abbott gets on TV again and I'm reminded that however principled and honourable Jeremy Corbym might believe himself to be, he's surrounded by some complete tools.



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messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by Borky 06 June, 2017 12:56

for an intelligent man, you seem to have a very poor grasp of the reality of the mindset of the political class vermin (No offence blates)

messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by ££££ 06 June, 2017 13:19

rahrahrah Wrote:
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> Your just as bad as the ranting 'Canary' lot
> quids. Just as hysterical. The Labour Party aren't
> Maoists any more than the Conservatives are
> Fascists. It's childish hyperbole and your guilty
> of it as much as those you're criticising.

Do you want clips of Abbot on Mao "On balance did more good than Harm"; McDonnell justifying the riots as an insurrection; Milne defending the USSR and fecking Stalin; Lanessman on anything you want ....they are all there at the top of Labour.

messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by JohnL 06 June, 2017 13:28

The most anti Corbyn follower I have on Twitter is Labour (Blairite faction). He told me he wanted Corbyn destroyed (I had to say Theresa May isn't helping you is she)

But surely people must give Corbyn some respect for tenacity at least - he just won't let go, ever. He's 68 too and seems to have energy levels of a twenty something.

messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by Borky 06 June, 2017 13:30

*needs to make point*

*drags up historical fact*

*Pushes chair away from laptop*

*Folds arms / nods to self*

Do you really think that Stalin defeating the Boche or the Mao 70/30 rule has any relevance in GE 2017 ? Seriously ? You can make a better show of it than this surely

This however is fascinating

[blogs.lse.ac.uk]

messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by DuncanW 06 June, 2017 13:35

Though not necessarily the recall capacity for numbers...

messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by JohnL 06 June, 2017 13:39

DuncanW Wrote:
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> Though not necessarily the recall capacity for
> numbers...

that's what iPads are for smiling smiley

messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by ££££ 06 June, 2017 14:06

I am thinking that an episode of "Wife Swap" with Boris and Diane could make good TV

messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by JohnL 06 June, 2017 14:11

££££ Wrote:
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> I am thinking that an episode of "Wife Swap" with
> Boris and Diane could make good TV


They'd both think they were cleverer than the other.

Like Laurel and Hardy.

messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by JoeLeg 06 June, 2017 15:36

Borky Wrote:
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> for an intelligent man, you seem to have a very
> poor grasp of the reality of the mindset of the
> political class vermin (No offence blates)

Are you talking to me? Cos I'd say I understand the political mindset fairly well, doesn't mean that I can't still be exasperated by the constant idiocy of some (most) of them. Dianne Abbott is pretty much top of my list of 'why the @#$%& does anyone think she's any good?!'



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messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by KalamityKel 07 June, 2017 07:25

££££ Wrote:
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> and some of them are right up top of your party =
> policy, advisors, McDonnells secret army


Who didn't read that as MacDonalds? ^^^

messageRe: How naff is it?
Posted by rahrahrah 07 June, 2017 07:42

KalamityKel Wrote:
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> ££££ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > and some of them are right up top of your party
> =
> > policy, advisors, McDonnells secret army
>
>
> Who didn't read that as MacDonalds? ^^^

Watch out for Hamburglar.

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