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Posted by Jenny1 September 02, 06:38PM

So it seems that the Lord Advocate, Scotland's chief legal officer, has said the prorogation of Parliament amounts to an 'abuse of executive power'. I guess that'll be significant as the relevant legal cases progress, ultimately getting to the Supreme Court presumably, like the previous Brexit-related legal challenges.

[twitter.com]

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Posted by Jenny1 September 02, 06:48PM

The BMJ have published a paper calling for a comprehensive health impact assessment of 'No Deal' to more fully inform both public and politicians.

[www.bmj.com]

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Posted by JohnL September 02, 07:22PM

Strange poll of 10,000 today for the Conservative Group for Europe (but not by them) showing almost a totally hung parliament - not sure of it's validity - reported on TV and in the Financial Times

321 (Labour+LibDem+SNP+Others)
311 Tories (no BxParty - seems they don't get a seat)
DUP lose one to alliance

322 to 321 - Nobody really winning.

[twitter.com]

Oh - It's an MRP survey so looks at constituency level I think.



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Posted by diable rouge September 03, 10:39AM

BBC journo Norman Smith picking up on the strategy that Corbyn should follow thus rendering the dick-swinging Johnson nothing more than a political eunuch...

Seems to me the Boris Johnson strategy cd be about to blow up in his face if MPs back No deal legislation AND block early general election.

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Posted by Loutwo September 03, 11:14AM

The rest of the Labour Party know all this, but evidently Corbyn and his inner circle do not. And then don’t forget of course the SNP who would love to pick up some more seats. If labour had a more conclusive Brexit policy, people like myself would go back to the fold (maybe).

Louisa.

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Posted by dbboy September 03, 11:17AM

Seems like Boris is chancing his luck, goading the anti no deal "alliance" plus Corbyn into a possible GE, a dangerous tatic, but then Boris is not the brains behind this, I'm thinking its the grey suit Cummings who is ding all the plotting and planning. Let's see what happens from 3.30pm in Parliament, it's likely to be explosive, a bit like Guy "Guido" Fawkes on 5th November.



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Posted by diable rouge September 03, 11:39AM

If that is referring to Shipman's tweet...

As the Sunday Times revealed a week ago, you can get around the 2\3rds majority needed for an election in the Fixed Term Parliaments Act by passing a one line bill that says “notwithstanding the FTPA, we will have a general election on X date”

Here are Law & Policy expert David Allen Green's comments on that...

Am being asked a lot about this

It is correct, but hardly a revelation

Basic constitutional stuff

'"Notwithstanding" legislation is always possible, but it would require primary legislation at speed through both Houses


So basically saying it would need to pass through both the Commons and Lords. Good luck with that.


He goes on to say...

Any "notwithstanding" legislation for a general election, to sidestep the Fixed-term Parliament Act can be amended

It can be amended this way: to block No Deal

It can me amended that way: to withdraw prorogation

It can be amended so many ways

And the government knows it


Again, good luck with that.

Ah, I see that while I've been writing this you've amended and deleted the Laura Kuenssberg link you originally posted dbboy, so here it is again so people can relate it to my post...[twitter.com]

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Posted by JohnL September 03, 04:03PM

Stone Cold Stunner as parliament opens and Dr Phillip Lee walks in and sits with the Liberal Democrats

Majority 0

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Posted by diable rouge September 03, 05:07PM

-1...

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Posted by diable rouge September 03, 05:54PM

Johnson took quite a mauling, his jokey slap on the back buffoonery just isn't suited to the Parliament bear pit.
The Rebel Alliance seems to be holding strong, apparently while some of them were waiting for talks with Johnson earlier, they were spotted by Cummings who proceeded to 'hector' them...''I don't know who any of you are''. How to win friends and influence people...

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Posted by JohnL September 04, 11:57AM

The erstwhile Lords turning up with duvets and changes of clothes today. They predict an all nighter,

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Posted by diable rouge September 04, 12:48PM

Someone should've thrown a duvet over Mogg last night, some good memes around...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDk35gMWsAIvDXq?format=jpg&name=small

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Posted by JohnL September 04, 01:08PM

LOL - Old Moggers really has no regard for anyone who didn't go to eton smiling smiley

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Posted by JohnL September 04, 01:17PM

Now in the commons the Chancellor getting a bollocking.

"John Bercow, the Speaker, says what Javid is saying is “unseemly”. He says he says this “with a heavy heart”. He says Javid is veering into matters unrelated to the spending round, which is supposed to be the subject of his statement. He says he wants Javid to adjust his remarks, so that he focuses on the spending round. "

A few seconds later

"Javid says he wants faster internet services"

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Posted by diable rouge September 04, 01:49PM

This Lord has got his essentials sorted, Quality Street and Bonne Maman biccies, not sure about the Ritz biccies though, perhaps a crunch crunch munch munch distractionary measure...#tooledup

https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/file.php?20,file=336054



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Posted by diable rouge September 04, 05:15PM

These deep fakes are getting scarily realistic.
Warning: once you've seen it you can't unsee it...[twitter.com]

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Posted by JohnL September 04, 05:22PM

diable rouge Wrote:
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> These deep fakes are getting scarily realistic.
> Warning: once you've seen it you can't unsee
> it...[twitter.com]
> 69265030287810561

He looks so happy with his new (CGI) friend - The pictures of IDS picking his nose and eating it during Ken Clarke's speech were real and need a warning for sure however.

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Posted by Sue September 04, 10:54PM

diable rouge Wrote:
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> These deep fakes are getting scarily realistic.
> Warning: once you've seen it you can't unsee
> it...[twitter.com]
> 69265030287810561

big grin big grin big grin

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Posted by keano77 September 04, 11:03PM

A query.

Assuming the no-deal bill passes the House of Lords in its present form, my understanding (from the BBC website) is the Prime Minister (Boris)

1. has until 19 October to either pass a deal in Parliament or get MPs to approve a no-deal Brexit.

2. Once this deadline has passed, the Prime Minister has to request an extension to the UK's departure date, taking it from 31 October to 31 January 2020.

3. If the EU responds by proposing a different date, the PM will have two days to accept that proposal. But during this two-day period, MPs - not the government - will have the opportunity to reject the EU's date.

My query is - if Boris has no deal to offer, or no hope of getting one passed by Parliament, by 19 October and he resigns on (or before) 19 October so there is no Prime Minister and giving the timing of electing a new party leader before October 31, do we crash out on October 31 by default? (Ie, the no-deal Act (by then) doesn’tapply If no PM to request extension)

I’m sure cleverer people than me have already anticipated this in the wording of the Bill.

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Posted by diable rouge September 04, 11:19PM

I think when a PM resigns they are supposed to stay on in a caretaker role until a new leader is elected, which is what May did, but if they want to leave straight away then the next in line stands in, with May it was Liddington, I think with Johnson it may be Gove...

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Posted by keano77 September 04, 11:25PM

I’m sure you’re right DR, it just struck me listening to the pundits tonight talking about Boris’ (the government’s) options maybe there’s a loophole for the extreme brexiters. I can’t imagine the legal drafters of the Bill haven’t worded it accordingly.

(Edited typo)



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Posted by diable rouge September 04, 11:34PM

I'm just going on memory of what happened with May so could be completely wrong, but I'm sure she was still PM right up until Johnson was elected. I think there always has to be someone acting as PM until parliament dissolves for an election. As you say, the Bill drafters have probably covered all eventualities, it was supposed to be a very well drafted Bill by those in the know...

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Posted by JohnL September 05, 12:18PM

Jo Johnson

"It's been an honour to represent Orpington for 9 years & to serve as a minister under three PMs. In recent weeks I've been torn between family loyalty and national interest. It's an unresolvable tension & time for others to take on my roles as MP & minister"

Bye Bro



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Posted by JohnL September 05, 01:28PM

Boris official statement to his family smiling smiley

[twitter.com]

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Posted by JohnL September 06, 05:42PM

It's getting silly now - is he trying to look stupid for some reason

Redacted handwritten memo about proroguing parliament contains the words "girly swot Cameron"

[news.sky.com]

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Posted by Sephiroth September 06, 06:31PM

Away from the childish behaviour of the government, some grown-ups are doing some terrific work trying to make any kind of sense of all of this
Chris Grey in particular has been terrific and here is his latest. I’d be interested in forumites thoughts

[chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com]

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Posted by Sue September 06, 11:23PM

Interesting article, thanks Sephiroth.

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Posted by Sephiroth September 07, 08:51AM

And another good read here

[www.rte.ie]

I have no idea where people like Louisa and keano get their info from. But it’s very very wrong

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Posted by Alan Medic September 07, 08:51AM

Sephiroth Wrote:
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> Away from the childish behaviour of the
> government, some grown-ups are doing some terrific
> work trying to make any kind of sense of all of
> this
> Chris Grey in particular has been terrific and
> here is his latest. I’d be interested in forumites
> thoughts
>
> [chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com]
> ohnson-bulldozes-britain-deeper-into.html

It sums up the confusion very well, if that's at all possible.

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Posted by intexasatthe moment September 07, 09:15AM

Sephiroth -'m not sure that my thoughts are sufficiently well informed to comment but ....

in this extract I'm puzzled by the comment about a referendum campaign ,I thought Labour were against another referendum

"Consider, for example this one: November election – hung parliament needing negotiations that lead to a Labour minority government with confidence and supply from LibDems/ SNP – negotiations begin with EU for a ‘Labour Brexit’, interrupted by Christmas – a new deal agreed – a referendum campaign held – the implementation of the result. In that sequence of events we will be well into next summer, presumably"

and I would have welcomed some discussion of the Kinnock ammendment and it's significance .And Teresa May's last Withdrawal Agreement ,which I presume is the only proposed deal currently available .

And what about the border in Ireland ?

I'm sure my comments show how poor my grasp of all this is ,I'm woefully lost .

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