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messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by teddyboy23 April 17, 04:16PM

Eu brexit chief Guy verhofstadt saids the threat of the brexit party may force the Tories and labour to strike a deal.he tweeted maybe the only thing that can save us is Nigel farage now



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was april 17, 04:17pm by teddyboy23.

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by Sue April 17, 04:33PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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and Corbyn ? What about Corbyn.
Ģ Blair has 10 homes ? The ones we know about.
He makes a fortune by speaking at lucrative events.

> Corbyn is after a Slice of this very Lucrative
> Pie.
>
> Labour could not give a shite about the
> #Homeless


> Brexit or no Brexit.



What is your (credible) evidence for the part in bold above, exactly?

If you haven't got any, then please don't post such (insert bad word of your choice, such as crap) on here.

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by diable rouge April 17, 05:07PM

Jules-and-Boo Wrote:
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> wow. what does that say!


BREX: 27%
LAB: 22%
CON: 15%
GRN: 10%
LDEM: 9%
UKIP: 7%
CHUK: 6%

When TIG first formed they were polling at 18%, but have quickly fallen, BP is currently enjoying a similar new party bounce. Regardless, with only 5 weeks until the vote there's no time for complacency from the remain side. This is already going to be less about manifestos and instead a straight forward re-run of the referendum, the difference being that the vote is fragmented, affecting Remain more than Leave. At the moment there isn't a party that remainers can clearly identify with and get behind, like there is with the Brexit Party...it does what it says on the tin. BP obviously picking up most of it's votes from disgruntled Tory Brexit voters. If Labour backed a 2nd referendum/confirmatory vote then they would pick up a lot of the remain vote. I know that despite not wanting to vote for anything to do with Corbyn, on this issue I would vote for Labour thinking they had the best chance of beating Farage and winning seats...

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by edcam April 17, 07:08PM

diable rouge - I am deeply troubled by Corbyn but right now more troubled by Brexit. I agree. If Labour finally wise up and come out against Brexit they might be our only hope of averting this disaster.

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by cella April 17, 08:57PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> alice Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Isnít cable retiring?
> > Farage is a small puppet.
> > Boris is not electable north of Watford.
>
> and Corbyn ? What about Corbyn.
> Ģ Blair has 10 homes ? The ones we know about.
> He makes a fortune by speaking at lucrative
> events.
> Corbyn is after a Slice of this very Lucrative
> Pie.
>
> Labour could not give a shite about the
> #Homeless
>
> Brexit or no Brexit.

What does this even mean? It's very clear you don't support Corbyn but where's any evidence for your very general assertion?
Sorry Sue - hadn't seen your similiar post.



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messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by Sue April 18, 01:11AM

Sue Wrote:
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> DulwichFox Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> and Corbyn ? What about Corbyn.
> Ģ Blair has 10 homes ? The ones we know about.
> He makes a fortune by speaking at lucrative
> events.
>
> > Corbyn is after a Slice of this very
> Lucrative
> > Pie.
> >
> > Labour could not give a shite about the
> > #Homeless
>
> > Brexit or no Brexit.
>
>
>
> What is your (credible) evidence for the part in
> bold above, exactly?
>
> If you haven't got any, then please don't post
> such (insert bad word of your choice, such as
> crap) on here.


Awaiting a response.

Not holding my breath.

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by JohnL April 18, 10:00AM

I'm not sure greed is one of Corbyn's failures whatever you think of him.

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by Jules-and-Boo April 18, 02:27PM

could someone please annotate the list with which party is in favour of remaining and which is in favour of leaving?

BREX:
LAB:
CON:
GRN:
LDEM:
UKIP:
CHUK:

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by Siduhe April 18, 03:37PM

@Jules-and-Boo

It's not so much who is in favour of leave or remain as even those advocating for a second referendum agree that we would leave if the vote went that way in the follow up plebiscite [the first and probably the last time I ever get to use that word!].

However, according to today's FT:

BREX: Leave as soon as possible by all means necessary, including with a no-deal Brexit.

LAB: Leave with a deal, not the current withdrawal deal proposed by the Prime Minister but with the aim of ultimately remaining in a customs union with the EU and within the single market.

CON: Officially, the current withdrawal deal, but not supported by the entire party.

GRN: Second referendum

LDEM: Second referendum

UKIP: Not mentioned by the FT.

CHUK: Second referendum

This is pure gossip but I had dinner with a civil servant yesterday who reckons Labour and the Conservatives are close to agreeing Labour support for the current withdrawal deal in exchange for a political declaration to work towards a customs union with the EU during the transition period. In which case we wouldn't be involved in the European elections at all and Brexit day would happen very soon without a second referendum. To be really clear this person has no inside knowledge, but that was their best guess of what would happen.



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messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by JohnL April 18, 04:49PM

Siduhe Wrote:
> This is pure gossip but I had dinner with a civil
> servant yesterday who reckons Labour and the
> Conservatives are close to agreeing Labour support
> for the current withdrawal deal in exchange for a
> political declaration to work towards a customs
> union with the EU during the transition period. In
> which case we wouldn't be involved in the European
> elections at all and Brexit day would happen very
> soon without a second referendum. To be really
> clear this person has no inside knowledge, but
> that was their best guess of what would happen.

Yet last nights Evening Standard saying this would cost Labour a huge amount of support - just as they hit a good lead with the Tories in freefall. Would Corbyn really do that - although he can't look like he's negotiating in bad faith.

[www.standard.co.uk]

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by diable rouge April 18, 11:32PM

Another poll, this one by ComRes, figures in brackets refer to last EU elections where UKIP got 27%, same as BP in the earlier poll...

LAB: 33% (+8)
CON: 18% (-6)
BREX: 17% (+17)
CHUK: 9% (+9)
LDEM: 9% (+2)
UKIP: 5% (-22)
GRN: 5% (-2)

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by JohnL April 25, 11:21AM

LOL My twitter timeline after seeing something written on his facebook 'Lord Adonis is a born again leaver'

I think as the South West EU elections primary candidate he has been asked to think about the secondary candidate and has reined in the remain rhetoric for now (you can't vote for an individual only a party) ?.

(sorry got that wrong as he is second candidate for labour behind Clare Moody, also in the region Rachel Johnson (Sister of Boris), Anne Widdecombe and Carl Benjamin (Sargon of Akkad).


Here's a link

[www.lbc.co.uk]
[www.standard.co.uk]



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messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by JohnL April 26, 09:56AM

[www.standard.co.uk]

I enjoyed the first two series of Sliders until it got over the top and they slid into that Brexit universe with the useless Prime Minister.

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by diable rouge April 26, 12:27PM

From Peston...Labour MPs and MEPs are signing letter to partyís ruling NEC calling for its EU elections manifesto to contain unambiguous commitment to confirmatory Brexit referendum. Attached is crucial section. Momentous decision for the NEC on Tuesday.

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by Angelina April 26, 11:38PM

Given the way our government are behaving, I can't see how anyone still wanting to Leave has given proper thought to who we would be turning power over to. Imbeciles. The government, I mean.

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by JohnL April 27, 03:58PM

Farage : "If there is a more arrogant and dishonest national political figure at the moment than Lord @Andrew_Adonis of Camden Town, I am not aware of them."

I don't know who that person could be Nigel smiling smiley

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by diable rouge April 30, 06:40PM

Labour's European Election manifesto...

https://gbc-cdn-public-media.azureedge.net/img22187.768x512.jpg

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by Bob Buzzard April 30, 10:04PM

I've got a postal vote for the Euro elections. I'll vote LD because they're the unequivocal remain party.

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by diable rouge May 01, 11:39AM

It's disappointing that the 3 remain parties, LibDems, Change UK, and Greens haven't agreed some form of umbrella grouping remainers can vote for, or agree a strategy to stand aside and let just one of the parties stand in each area.
In lieu of such pragmatic, sensible cooperation, and also because the elections are based on the D'Hondt PR system, my vote will go to the party that is doing best in the polls for whatever area we come under.
Here's an explainer how D'Hondt works...


messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by diable rouge May 01, 11:52AM

Registering to vote in the European elections is very easy if you're not registered or you're unsure if you are registered or not.
Deadline to do so is 7th May... [getvoting.org]

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by diable rouge May 02, 11:46AM

Outrageous that last week only 300 of 3.7m EU citizens living in UK were registered to vote in EU elections! Monumental cockup. We've spent the last 24 hours building this to let people send the UC-1 form online. Please RT or send to EU citizens in UK: [registertovote.eu]

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by uncleglen May 02, 05:36PM

diable rouge Wrote:
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> Outrageous that last week only 300 of 3.7m EU
> citizens living in UK were registered to vote in
> EU elections! Monumental cockup. We've spent the
> last 24 hours building this to let people send the
> UC-1 form online. Please RT or send to EU citizens
> in UK: [registertovote.eu]

Makes you wonder why they came here!

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by Alan Medic May 03, 08:02AM

I don't believe that figure. Of the 5 EU citizens I contacted at work, 3 came back to me and said they had registered. The other 2 didn't reply. That's a poll showing that 60% have registered.

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by diable rouge May 03, 10:33AM

The link highlights that EU citizens might think that they are registered to vote for the European elections because they are registered for other UK elections, but for the European elections they also need to register using another specific form...

European Parliament elections are on 23 May - as an EU citizen, you're entitled to vote here in the United Kingdom. Even if you are registered to vote in other UK elections, for these elections the UK government requires an extra step to register to vote.

You have to fill in the UC-1 form and send it to your local electoral registration offices. This is normally publicised well in advance, but because of Brexit, most people havenít been told. This tool will allow you to submit the UC-1 form online. Donít lose your vote!

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by diable rouge May 03, 10:35AM

As an aside, has anyone received their European polling card yet?...

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by Angelina May 03, 11:56AM

not yet - just registered - takes up to ten days - closing date for registration is 7th May (Tuesday next week)

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by Hemingway May 03, 12:08PM

Very happy to see that May and Corbyn are both getting a good kicking at the local elections

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by Sue May 03, 01:07PM

diable rouge Wrote:
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> Registering to vote in the European elections is
> very easy if you're not registered or you're
> unsure if you are registered or not.
> Deadline to do so is 7th May...
> [getvoting.org]


Thank you so much for this, I had no idea you had to register separately and can't remember whether I already am or not, so have just done it anyway.

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by keano77 May 03, 04:43PM

Sue, my understanding is as a UK citizen, if you are on the electoral register, you donít need to register to vote in the EU elections. Your polling card should come through automatically.

EU citizens do though, presumably to avoid duplication in case they are registered elsewhere or have postal votes etc

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by JohnL May 03, 05:32PM

keano77 Wrote:
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> Sue, my understanding is as a UK citizen, if you
> are on the electoral register, you donít need to
> register to vote in the EU elections. Your polling
> card should come through automatically.
>
> EU citizens do though, presumably to avoid
> duplication in case they are registered elsewhere
> or have postal votes etc

Looks like your "home" country rather than where you live is the default

[www.yourvotematters.co.uk]

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