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messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by TheCat August 29, 09:03AM

diable rouge Wrote:
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> TheCat Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> ----
>
>
> > Sadly shows how toxic this entire debate has
> > become...
>
> Very true, but this has been the doing of the
> Leave side from the word go. When we needed a Gov
> to try and unify the country behind a version of
> Brexit that reflected the closeness of the vote,
> which a lot of Remainers would've accepted at the
> time, we instead got May's red lines and the voice
> of Remain ignored and replaced with insults such
> as 'citizen's of nowhere', 'queue jumpers',
> 'enemies of the people' and so on. Now Johnson,
> despite promising to do the opposite, has managed
> to divide the country even more. Whatever the
> outcome it will take a very long time to heal this
> disunited kingdom, what's left of it...

I think you and I have had a version of this discussion beforesmiling smiley I dont disagree. Very sad indeed.

On a positive note, as an EU immigrant, I received my settled status last week, so you'll have to put up with me on here for some time yet. Until they change their mind and deport mesmiling smiley



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messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by cella August 29, 10:01AM

Surely given your personal circumstances your view defy belief.

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by peckman August 29, 10:03AM

Well done the cat ! You paying your taxes ? You contributing to society and community ? If course you are !! Let's establish that most people wherever they are from just want to work and have and provide a good life for their family

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by diable rouge August 29, 10:59AM

Just leaving this here, no prizes for guessing who said it quite recently...

I would like to make it absolutely clear that I am not attracted to arcane procedures such as the prorogation of Parliament. As someone who aspires to be the PM of a democratic nation, I believe in finding consensus in the House of Commons.

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Posted by uncleglen August 29, 12:40PM

cella Wrote:
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> Even if you believe that to be true, surely only
> one "side" has the greater good in mind rather
> than a quick financial gain the others have in
> mind?

What- you mean the big city Remainiacs who are enjoying the financial gain of rising house prices, massive rental income increases for rich landlords, extremely cheap building work costs, as opposed to the majority who have suffered massively from increased immigration, massive job losses in the building trade as they cannot afford to compete with east europeans living 10 to a house in East London because they have children and a mortgage- you have NO idea - look at what Hugh Grant said- he has already feathered his own nest so he, like other rich commies before him (like Vanessa Redgrave, Robert Powell etc etc etc) do not suffer ONE JOT from the perils of the EU socialist experiment (federal states of Europe is what adolf wanted btw) so he can virtue signal to his heart's content the ignorant fool

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Posted by Siduhe August 29, 03:28PM

I'm not sure if this is really the result of the current live poll in the Times or a clever joke, but it did make me smile:

https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/file.php?20,file=335616



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Posted by sjsl August 29, 05:00PM

I've signed the petition, but reckon now the Queen is involved it might be worth dropping her a line. Apparently she takes a keen interest in all the letters she receives, and it seems fair to let her know how one feels. I'm gonna give it a go anyway... her address is attached in case of interest.

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messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by cella August 29, 06:32PM

uncleglen Wrote:
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> cella Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Even if you believe that to be true, surely
> only
> > one "side" has the greater good in mind rather
> > than a quick financial gain the others have in
> > mind?
>
> What- you mean the big city Remainiacs who are
> enjoying the financial gain of rising house
> prices, massive rental income increases for rich
> landlords, extremely cheap building work costs, as
> opposed to the majority who have suffered
> massively from increased immigration, massive job
> losses in the building trade as they cannot afford
> to compete with east europeans living 10 to a
> house in East London because they have children
> and a mortgage- you have NO idea - look at what
> Hugh Grant said- he has already feathered his own
> nest so he, like other rich commies before him
> (like Vanessa Redgrave, Robert Powell etc etc etc)
> do not suffer ONE JOT from the perils of the EU
> socialist experiment (federal states of Europe is
> what adolf wanted btw) so he can virtue signal to
> his heart's content the ignorant fool


Great stuff - everything under one umbrella! Haven't heard from Robert Powell in many a year. You'll be down in your cups with Dulwich Fox in one of Lordship Lane hostelries in a very short time.

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by cella August 29, 06:35PM

Great stuff UncleGlen - everything under one umbrella! Haven't heard from Robert Powell in many a year. You'll be down in your cups with Dulwich Fox in one of Lordship Lane hostelries in a very short time.

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Posted by DulwichFox August 30, 03:55PM

One thing worth mentioning :

The economy of Switzerland is one of the world's most advanced free market economies.

Switzerland is a small but wealthy country, which is surprisingly not a member of the EU.

Not a lot of people realise that.

The UK will prosper once we finally get out. It might take a while after 40 years of Brussels Rule.

DulwichFox

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Posted by Jenny1 August 30, 04:23PM

Ah. So you're not a No-Dealer after all DF! You advocate the Swiss Model, one well-known model of 'soft Brexit'. That still leaves a number of problems though, doesn't it? How would you get past those?

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Posted by JohnL August 30, 04:28PM

Jenny1 Wrote:
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> Ah. So you're not a No-Dealer after all DF! You
> advocate the Swiss Model, one well-known model of
> 'soft Brexit'. That still leaves a number of
> problems though, doesn't it? How would you get
> past those?

Takes me back to Darren Grime's flying visit to Switzerland where he extolled the virtues of the Schengen Area without realising it much to twitters hilarity.

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by JohnL August 30, 04:36PM

More seriously Dominic Cummings has apparently lost his rag and fired one of Sajid Javid's staff for socialising with Phillip Hammond's friends.

The man seems to have a fiery temper.


[www.theguardian.com]

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by Sephiroth August 30, 05:25PM

Foxy combining arrogance and ignorance

Switzerland is a small but wealthy country, which is surprisingly not a member of the EU.

Not a lot of people realise that”

A lot of people do realise that. It also is a member of schengen and has physical infrastructure at its borders with the eu. So how do you square those issues with “your” Brexit? Do you want free movement of people? And do you want physical infrastructure in Ireland?

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Posted by peckman August 30, 07:25PM

Dont listen to df !! Ive fallen for his nonsense and got into his debate .. dont engage with this miserable old sod

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Posted by peckman August 30, 07:31PM

Dulwich fox basically wants borders around east dulwich. He forgets that all the curry houses he uses are staffed by immigrants.

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Posted by Sephiroth August 30, 08:15PM

Ah but not eu immigrants!

patel’s promise to make life easier for Bangladeshis around the time of the referendum - that worked out well

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Posted by pk August 30, 11:38PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> One thing worth mentioning :
>
> The economy of Switzerland is one of the world's
> most advanced free market economies.
>
> Switzerland is a small but wealthy country, which
> is surprisingly not a member of the EU.
>
> Not a lot of people realise that.
>
> The UK will prosper once we finally get out. It
> might take a while after 40 years of Brussels
> Rule.
>
> DulwichFox

Have you looked into the lengthy and difficult recent negotiations between the EU and the Swiss around financial markets access at all (financial services being key to the Swiss economy)?

Of course you have - you know loads about Switzerland that not a lot of people know, how do you think that’ll work out?

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Posted by DulwichFox August 31, 10:33AM

peckman Wrote:
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> Dulwich fox basically wants borders around east dulwich.

DF: What are you talking about. ???

He forgets that all the curry houses he uses are staffed by immigrants.

DF:
Are they all immigrants. ?? Are they all illegal ?? NO.. Some of the owners / staff have lived here for 40+ years.

I believe it is YOU that has problems with immigration. with your above statement.

I am not at all concerned about Immigration.
African, Jamaican, Turkish, Kurdish, Greek, Indian, Bangladeshi. What ever

My reason for leaving the E.U. has Nothing to do with Immigration or Xenophobia.

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Posted by Jenny1 August 31, 10:49AM

Very apt from David Allen Green I think! Gareth Keenan is now running the country...

[twitter.com]

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Posted by uncleglen August 31, 12:42PM

cella Wrote:
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> Great stuff UncleGlen - everything under one
> umbrella! Haven't heard from Robert Powell in many
> a year. You'll be down in your cups with Dulwich
> Fox in one of Lordship Lane hostelries in a very
> short time.
FYI I only ever a few drinks in ED on Xmas eve - and what on earth does 'down in your cups' mean...I'm not 'down' Brexit is coming, freedom awaits....
Not content in calling PEOPLE xenophobes and racists you are now insinuating that we are alkies- how desperate are you Remainiacs...oh yes- I KNOW how bloody desperate you are- we've seen evidence of it for 3 whole ridiculous years now...

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Posted by Sephiroth August 31, 01:42PM

Im in Ireland today

Buses in driving past with “get prepared for Brexit “ adverts plastered on the side. Long list of things to check and be ready for

You don’t see that in England do you?

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Posted by Sephiroth August 31, 01:51PM

“My reason for leaving the E.U. has Nothing to do with Immigration or Xenophobia.”

Accepting this at face value - you do accept that racists and xenophobes are all on board with leaving the eu tho right? You have accepted their help for your own ends. And your ends are spurious. You think you are under the yoke of “Brussels”

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Posted by TheCat September 01, 08:44AM

CONGRATULATIONS Dulwich....you've finally arrived as one of the nation's top, elite, champagne sipping, middle-class enclaves...apparently...;)

[blogs.spectator.co.uk]

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by DulwichFox September 01, 09:54AM

Sephiroth Wrote:
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> “My reason for leaving the E.U. has Nothing to do
> with Immigration or Xenophobia.”
>
> Accepting this at face value - you do accept that
> racists and xenophobes are all on board with
> leaving the eu tho right? You have accepted their
> help for your own ends. And your ends are
> spurious. You think you are under the yoke of
> “Brussels”

Your argument has no value.. Its Nonsense.

10 x 1,000's of decent people go to watch football each week.
Amongst them Will be Racists. Does that mean we should ALL stop going to the
match because there will be racist people there.

I do not accept Racism and Xenophobia and will confront such people.

DulwichFox.

ETA. It is worth noting that Many openly Racist types express the wish to Remain.

Are you suggesting that the majority of the 17 million people that voted to leave are racist. ?

IN or OUT of the E.U. most decent do not want racist people in our society.



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messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by Sephiroth September 01, 10:10AM

I’m saying most racists voted to leave, yes. That is quite different to saying everyone who voted leave is racist. But it does underline why brexit is causing so much trouble - no one can agree on what it means. People who voted to leave but wanted single market access have been discarded

Your football analogous doesnt work because - and this is the bit you fail to grasp - going to a football match or not going affects nobody else. Leaving the eu is going to leave us all worse off

But there is zero point arguing with you

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by Jenny1 September 01, 10:30AM

DF. Let's get back to talking about the 'Swiss Model', the form of Brexit which you say you favour. I'm pleased to see you want a 'Soft Brexit' solution that involves complying with the Schengen Treaty (although a little surprised by that, to be honest). But, even with much more open immigration rules in place (which would apply in those circumstances), there's still the fact that we would have to have the same kind of infrastructure at our borders as the Swiss do. This would be unacceptable in Ireland under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement. So how do we get round that one? I've yet to hear any convincing solutions to the problem.

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Posted by Jenny1 September 01, 10:35AM

It seems that the government has decided it's above the law.

[twitter.com]

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Posted by diable rouge September 01, 11:02AM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> ETA. It is worth noting that Many openly Racist
> types express the wish to Remain.

Such as? Give us some actual names rather than anecdotal made-up ones...

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Posted by diable rouge September 01, 11:15AM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> Are they all immigrants. ?? Are they all illegal
> ?? NO.. Some of the owners / staff have lived
> here for 40+ years.

How long someone has worked and lived here has nothing to do with their status and whether our glorious Home Office will grant them permanent residency. But of course you know better and even use capitals, so it must be TRUE.
Perhaps you'd like to give this lady some advice... [twitter.com]

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