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messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by JohnL 01 September, 2019 11:40

It's beginning to close in on Mad Dog Cummings now. He doesn't have the right to order armed police to do anything.

[www.theguardian.com]

I saw Steve Bray accost him (via twitter) recently and he looked like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth.

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Posted by JohnL 01 September, 2019 11:44

Times - (I can only see the top bit without paying) have started naming names involved too. Not seen many interviews with them though. For Info - Sonia Khan is a leaver through and through and is not part of Spreadsheet Phil's rebels.

[www.thetimes.co.uk]

Shows the mistrust between Hammond and Cummings though - I guess May feels similar along with a few former ministers.

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Posted by diable rouge 01 September, 2019 12:19

Give Short Cummings some credit, he's done the impossible and managed to unite leave and remain voters with their objection to Prorogation. Strategic genius...

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Posted by pk 01 September, 2019 12:57

DulwichFox Wrote:
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>
>
> My reason for leaving the E.U. has Nothing to do
> with Immigration or Xenophobia.

I’m pretty sure the reason is ignorance, so much of what you right is not based on reality

Not everything is about opinions, some things are facts

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Posted by pk 01 September, 2019 13:01

DulwichFox Wrote:
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>
>
> I do not accept Racism and Xenophobia and will
> confront such people.
>
> DulwichFox.
>
So what have you actually done to confront racism?

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Posted by DulwichFox 01 September, 2019 13:07

Sephiroth Wrote:
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> I’m saying most racists voted to leave, yes. That
> is quite different to saying everyone who voted
> leave is racist. But it does underline why brexit
> is causing so much trouble - no one can agree on
> what it means. People who voted to leave but
> wanted single market access have been discarded
>
> Your football analogous doesnt work because - and
> this is the bit you fail to grasp - going to a
> football match or not going affects nobody else.
> Leaving the eu is going to leave us all worse off
>
> But there is zero point arguing with you

I think your chosen UserName is indicative to your own argumentative nature.

Sephiroth is the main antagonist of Final Fantasy VII, and one of the major antagonists in its extended universe.


I rest my case..

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Posted by pk 01 September, 2019 13:19

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> I think your chosen UserName is indicative to your
> own argumentative nature.
>
> Sephiroth is the main antagonist of Final Fantasy
> VII, and one of the major antagonists in its
> extended universe.
>
>
> I rest my case..

Says the man named after an animal mostly considered to be a pest and/or a trump supporting news channel

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Posted by Sephiroth 01 September, 2019 13:26

Foxy proving a) he can use a search engine and b) draw all the wrong conclusions whilst cluelessly staying “i Rest my case”

How very brexit

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Posted by diable rouge 01 September, 2019 13:26

He doesn't even live in Dulwich. Can't confirm whether or not he's a mangy, flea ridden scavenger though...

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Posted by DulwichFox 01 September, 2019 13:38

diable rouge Wrote:
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> He doesn't even live in Dulwich. Can't confirm
> whether or not he's a mangy, flea ridden scavenger
> though...

No I dont live in Dulwich. I live in EAST Dulwich.
The poor part as I was told by many people when I first moved here 39 years ago.

Well its still the poor part. but I do not mind about that.

..mangy, flea ridden scavenger?? How childish. How old are you ? 10 ?

Fox

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Posted by pk 01 September, 2019 13:53

DulwichFox Wrote:
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>
> ..mangy, flea ridden scavenger?? How childish. How
> old are you ? 10 ?
>
> Fox


Says the man who ‘rests his case’ based on his analysis of another user’s name

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Posted by uncleglen 01 September, 2019 13:53

Sephiroth Wrote:
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> I’m saying most racists voted to leave, yes. That
> is quite different to saying everyone who voted
> leave is racist. But it does underline why brexit
> is causing so much trouble - no one can agree on
> what it means. People who voted to leave but
> wanted single market access have been discarded
>
> Your football analogous doesnt work because - and
> this is the bit you fail to grasp - going to a
> football match or not going affects nobody else.
> Leaving the eu is going to leave us all worse off
>
> But there is zero point arguing with you

How do you know racists voted to leave ?- (mind you most people don't actually know the definition of racist)...most people who voted leave are people who have somehow been dispossessed by free movement, for example they are tradesmen who have lost work (I know of at least 6 that fall into that category) and STILL have mortgages and children to raise so cannot UNDERCUT their fees...again the Remainiacs resort to personal insults

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Posted by peckman 01 September, 2019 13:58

Whatever happens and whatever your view this usnt going to end well . What's Cameron doing these days ?

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Posted by diable rouge 01 September, 2019 14:01

uncleglen Wrote:
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...again the Remainiacs resort to personal
> insults

Deja vu!...smiling smiley

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Posted by DulwichFox 01 September, 2019 14:03

peckman Wrote:
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> Whatever happens and whatever your view this usnt
> going to end well . What's Cameron doing these
> days ?

Probably the same as Tony Blair. Making a killing. Both of them Multi millionaires ???

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Posted by pk 01 September, 2019 14:07

uncleglen Wrote:
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> ...most people who voted leave are
> people who have somehow been dispossessed by free
> movement

So they voted based on immigration then?

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Posted by JohnL 01 September, 2019 14:41

uncleglen Wrote:
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> How do you know racists voted to leave ?- (mind
> you most people don't actually know the definition
> of racist)...most people who voted leave are
> people who have somehow been dispossessed by free
> movement, for example they are tradesmen who have
> lost work (I know of at least 6 that fall into
> that category) and STILL have mortgages and
> children to raise so cannot UNDERCUT their
> fees...again the Remainiacs resort to personal
> insults

The group that is now running government believe British workers are just lazy and said so in 2012.

[www.buzzfeed.com]

(The authors include Elizabeth Truss and Dominic Raab, The other contributors to Britannia Unchained are Priti Patel, Chris Skidmore and Kwasi Kwarteng)

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Posted by Jenny1 01 September, 2019 14:54

An informative David Allen Green thread on Brexit, The Tories and The Constitution. He charts how we got to the point today of a government minister saying that the government does not necessarily have to comply with the law.

[twitter.com]

I take it you've gone off the whole 'Swiss Model' idea Dulwich Fox? Or maybe just didn't see my question to you about it above?

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Posted by peckman 01 September, 2019 15:06

Cant we just shake hands and agree this is a stupid idea ..

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Posted by diable rouge 01 September, 2019 16:11

Jenny1 Wrote:
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> I take it you've gone off the whole 'Swiss Model'
> idea Dulwich Fox? Or maybe just didn't see my
> question to you about it above?

Google didn't have an answer to your question Jenny...

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Posted by Jenny1 01 September, 2019 16:19

diable rouge Wrote:
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> Google didn't have an answer to your question
> Jenny...

Maybe. But to be fair I don't think anyone has an answer to the question of how we could both carry out a 'Swiss Model' 'Soft Brexit' and also conform to the Good Friday Agreement.

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Posted by Jenny1 01 September, 2019 16:38

@borderirish. Always good for a laugh.

[twitter.com]

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Posted by Sephiroth 01 September, 2019 17:46

Uncle glen

Perhaps you could match up the tradespeople with all of the people I know who want to hire tradespeople butvare constantly good job is too small or they are booked out for 6 months

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Posted by peckman 01 September, 2019 19:40

I'm getting to the point of just thinking let's the brexit people have there way .. completely @#$%& it up and ride it out for 5 years or so .. most the Brexit voters will be dead by then or see there towns decimated . I feel sorry for the kids .. this and the environment .. we have let them down

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Posted by TheCat 01 September, 2019 19:55

peckman Wrote:
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> I'm getting to the point of just thinking let's
> the brexit people have there way .. completely
> @#$%& it up and ride it out for 5 years or so ..
> most the Brexit voters will be dead by then or see
> there towns decimated . I feel sorry for the kids
> .. this and the environment .. we have let them
> down

Geez some of you guys rile each other up in your little echo chamber in here don't you. I know you disagree with brexit, I respect that, but get a grip.

If the nation survived the global financial crisis when the entire financial system was on the brink of collapse - we will manage not being in the European Union. I'm not saying it will be milk and honey, it will be a very tough road, the transition was and still is always the biggest short term risk and concern. But the way that some of you on here talk you'd think the 5 horsemen of the apocalypse are on their way. It's like you all compete to express how disastrous you think brexit will be.

Get some perspective.

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by Loutwo 01 September, 2019 19:58

Unfortunately some people don’t have perspective. That’s the problem.

Louisa.

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Posted by diable rouge 01 September, 2019 20:03

TheCat Wrote:
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> If the nation survived the global financial crisis
> when the entire financial system was on the brink
> of collapse - we will manage not being in the
> European Union.

Big difference, the credit crunch wasn't self-inflicted and the country wasn't divided by it. If you think it's bad now, it's going to get a lot worse whatever happens...

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Posted by Jenny1 01 September, 2019 20:18

diable rouge Wrote:
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> Big difference, the credit crunch wasn't
> self-inflicted and the country wasn't divided by
> it. If you think it's bad now, it's going to get a
> lot worse whatever happens...

Indeed. It's inexcusable for the government to knowingly inflict harm on the country when they have a clear choice not to do so.

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Posted by peckman 01 September, 2019 20:18

We are basically turning our backs on the biggest trading block over a small channel .. aas for gove and boris ... the cat .. let's be honest.. can you honestly look your kids and grandkids in the eyes and say this was a good decision because 52 9ercent of people on a snapshot of time decided on this

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Posted by Sephiroth 01 September, 2019 20:45

I love Lou telling everyone to calm down having admitted she hadnt the first @@ing clue what she was on about in the referendum.

Loads of leave voters were concerned about deals Lou. They were repeatedly reassured by leave leaders like Hannan telling them “absolutely no one is talking about leaving the single market” and they would have voted accordingly

Many of them have changed their minds and it’s democratic to allow them to express that. Maybe some remainers would now vote leave - but anyone pretending that THIS is what 51.x percent of the population voted for is full of shit

The governments own internal forecasts are not simply a “rocky road”. They spell chaos for the country

And as jenny and others have said, all it does is leave you back needing to negotiate a deal. And then what? Oh then you will blame others again - never ever accepting this is all on you for voting leave and not seeking ratification

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