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messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by keano77 08 October, 2019 20:49

Sephiroth Wrote:
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> If keano and glen havenít figured out they are
> rubes on the wrong side of history by now, itís
> unlikely they ever will
>
> (Confession: I briefly held out on the idea that
> keano might actually be open to evidence. I was
> wrong. So wrong)

There is no evidence we havenít left. Plenty of guesswork about what might or might not happen from the people who didnít see the financial crash staring them in the face.

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Posted by Sephiroth 08 October, 2019 22:47

A country brought to its knees. By people as incurious and dumb as keano

Out with a whimper, not a bang

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Posted by pk 08 October, 2019 23:00

Iíve probably missed it elsewhere, but

Keano - what do you think should happen now?

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Posted by keano77 08 October, 2019 23:01

Honestly Sephiroth and pk Iíve no idea what will happen.

The current thinking seems to be the EU will give us an extension until next summer to allow a confirmatory referendum to take place which is being planned by Remainers who might introduce a bill for this as early as next week.

Unless of course Boris has a dastardly plan



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messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by pk 08 October, 2019 23:03

But what do you think should happen?

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Posted by keano77 08 October, 2019 23:11

Does it really matter what I think should happen?

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Posted by pk 08 October, 2019 23:36

It doesnít matter at all

But itís a discussion forum and itís a topic on which you seem to have a lot to say

So I think itís a fair question

and I answered your question, itíd be rude not to

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Posted by diable rouge 09 October, 2019 00:15

keano77 Wrote:
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> I donít click on links. Is he a remainer?

No, he's actually a long-term Eurosceptic dating back to Maastricht. He's a legal commentator and primarily comments from the perspective of law and policy...and watching panda videos (in-joke)

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Posted by JohnL 09 October, 2019 07:28

So whats going to be in the Queens speech next week and should it be voted down ?.

Just wondering if a pledge is made in the Queens speech to ask for an extension or alternatively NOT to ask for an extension what should remainers hope for and if the Queens speech is voted down is that automatically an election ?.

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Posted by stepdown 09 October, 2019 09:14

keano77 Wrote:
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> Iíve no idea what will happen.

keano77 Wrote:
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> There is no evidence

keano77 Wrote:
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> I donít click on links.


The ignorance is hardly surprising given your attitude.

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Posted by diable rouge 09 October, 2019 10:02

JohnL Wrote:
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> ...and if the Queens speech is voted down is
> that automatically an election ?.

No, not under the FTPA, explainer from Institute of Gov't...

The Queenís Speech can be voted down. This would be of major political significance, as it would clearly call into question the ability of the government to command the confidence of Parliament. Historically, a defeat on the address has been treated as an implicit loss of confidence in a government as it suggests that there is no majority to be found in the Commons for its programme for government.

It is rare for the government to be defeated on the address in the Commons Ė as governments usually have a majority in the House. But it has happened Ė most recently in 1924, when Stanley Baldwinís minority government was defeated. Baldwin then resigned as prime minister, and the opposition went on to form a new government.

As no government has been defeated on the address since the passage of the Fixed-term Parliaments Act (FTPA) in 2011, it is unclear what would happen if such a situation were to arise. This is because a defeat on the address would not meet the requirements under the FTPA to trigger an election. But any defeat might encourage the opposition to then table a formal vote of no confidence, under the FTPA, in the government. There would also be intense political pressure on the government.

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Posted by diable rouge 09 October, 2019 10:13

JohnL Wrote:
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> Just wondering if a pledge is made in the Queens
> speech to ask for an extension or alternatively
> NOT to ask for an extension what should remainers
> hope for...

I don't think a Queen's speech pledge mounts to much until it becomes as Act like Benn's Bill, so I'm guessing either could be changed during the next parliamentary session.
Whether the speech passes or not will probably depend on the Tory rebels, likewise any vote of no confidence. A lot has been said about the Lib Dems not supporting Corbyn in an alternative Gov, but it's a moot point as together they don't have the numbers without the Tory rebels, they are the real king makers at the moment.
Personally I'm hoping for an extension up to June to allow for a referendum and/or an election...

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Posted by uncleglen 09 October, 2019 13:20

pk Wrote:
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> uncleglen Wrote:
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> -----
> > Now Merkel is trying to stir up trouble by
> saying that NI should
> > stay in the EU customs union....sneaky or what?
>
> >
>
> its what the people of NI wanted voted for in the
> referendum

ONLY 790,000 people in NI voted in the referendum, 38% of them couldn't be bothered to get off their bums.
In 1973 they had a referendum to stay or leave the UK- and they voted 99% to stay in the UK
Now by sheer weight of numbers (of catholics) they vote Remain in the EU.
[www.newsletter.co.uk]

the solution is for the catholics to move to Eire because all they want is unification and the EU is secondary to that or the Protestants to move to England and the Irish Catholics in England move to Ireland then they can get rid of the border altogether...should've done it years ago- it would've saved a lot of trouble

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Posted by Alan Medic 09 October, 2019 13:33

uncleglen Wrote:
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> pk Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > uncleglen Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Now Merkel is trying to stir up trouble by
> > saying that NI should
> > > stay in the EU customs union....sneaky or
> what?
> >
> > >
> >
> > its what the people of NI wanted voted for in
> the
> > referendum
>
> ONLY 790,000 people in NI voted in the referendum,
> 38% of them couldn't be bothered to get off their
> bums.
> In 1973 they had a referendum to stay or leave the
> UK- and they voted 99% to stay in the UK
> Now by sheer weight of numbers (of catholics) they
> vote Remain in the EU.
> [www.newsletter.co.uk]
> ion-set-to-dwarf-protestants-in-years-ahead-1-7872
> 318
>
> the solution is for the catholics to move to Eire
> because all they want is unification and the EU is
> secondary to that or the Protestants to move to
> England and the Irish Catholics in England move to
> Ireland then they can get rid of the border
> altogether...should've done it years ago- it
> would've saved a lot of trouble

Your trolling doesn't merit a response. If you say it isn't, then you are an idiot. Maybe that's it? Either way isn't a good look.

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by stepdown 09 October, 2019 13:41

Suggesting you segregate on the basis of religion or send people away from their homes based on it is beneath any acceptable standard of debate.

You've shown your true colours, I won't be engaging with your posts again.

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Posted by pk 09 October, 2019 13:41

uncleglen Wrote:
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> pk Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > uncleglen Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Now Merkel is trying to stir up trouble by
> > saying that NI should
> > > stay in the EU customs union....sneaky or
> what?
> >
> > >
> >
> > its what the people of NI wanted voted for in
> the
> > referendum
>
> ONLY 790,000 people in NI voted in the referendum,
> 38% of them couldn't be bothered to get off their
> bums.


So what youíre saying is that only about a quarter could be bothered to vote to leave, presumably because the rest didnít want to or didnít want to enough to do anything about it

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Posted by Alan Medic 09 October, 2019 13:50

This is an interesting read from someone who voted to leave:

[threadreaderapp.com]

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Posted by diable rouge 09 October, 2019 15:07

Apparently it was yesterday's Leave.EU xenophobic meme that pushed him. Did he not see the 'Breaking Point' meme over 3 years ago? Some Brexiters do seem to find it hard to accept that they climbed into bed with racists and xenophobes...

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Posted by diable rouge 09 October, 2019 15:19

I was wondering with all this talk about an election what exactly will the Tories propose in their manifesto. Seems like a memo was sent yesterday that implied they would go for No Deal to stave off any of their disgruntled voters switching to the Brexit Party. Cue disgruntled One Nation Tories. Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving...

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Posted by JohnL 09 October, 2019 16:05

diable rouge Wrote:
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> I was wondering with all this talk about an
> election what exactly will the Tories propose in
> their manifesto. Seems like a memo was sent
> yesterday that implied they would go for No Deal
> to stave off any of their disgruntled voters
> switching to the Brexit Party. Cue disgruntled One
> Nation Tories. Brexit, the gift that keeps on
> giving...

Boris has said he won't fight an election on a no deal platform.

[www.theguardian.com]

and he never lies smiling smiley

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Posted by uncleglen 09 October, 2019 17:23

stepdown Wrote:
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> Suggesting you segregate on the basis of religion
> or send people away from their homes based on it
> is beneath any acceptable standard of debate.
>
> You've shown your true colours, I won't be
> engaging with your posts again.
The stats speak for themselves
[blogs.lse.ac.uk]

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by pk 09 October, 2019 21:14

uncleglen Wrote:
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> stepdown Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Suggesting you segregate on the basis of
> religion
> > or send people away from their homes based on
> it
> > is beneath any acceptable standard of debate.
> >
> > You've shown your true colours, I won't be
> > engaging with your posts again.
> The stats speak for themselves
> [blogs.lse.ac.uk]
> ern-ireland-there-is-a-strong-division-in-how-diff
> erent-ethno-national-groups-voted-in-the-referendu
> m/

And your trusted source says that the trend since the referendum is pro-Remain such that less than 75% of leave voters would vote that way again

And that more educated people in all groups voted remain


But more generally your ideas about segregation based on religion are shameful

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Posted by stepdown 10 October, 2019 11:40

pk Wrote:
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> And that more educated people in all groups voted
> remain

The voting differences between age groups really narrow (from memory almost disappear but can't find the analysis now) once you take education level into account, younger generations have higher levels of educational attainment.

EDIT: [www.statsguy.co.uk]



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messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by JohnL 11 October, 2019 10:14

stepdown Wrote:
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> pk Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And that more educated people in all groups
> voted
> > remain
>
> The voting differences between age groups really
> narrow (from memory almost disappear but can't
> find the analysis now) once you take education
> level into account, younger generations have
> higher levels of educational attainment.
>
> EDIT:
> [www.statsguy.co.uk]
> ion/

Of course Leavers would say we've been indoctrinated by the evil globalisation system for longer LOL.

Just read Uncles post - WTF - that's an awful outdated idea..

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Posted by Alan Medic 16 October, 2019 09:50

Interesting odds on Sterling in particular.

https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/file.php?20,file=339767

https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/file.php?20,file=339771

From Betfair.



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messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by JohnL 16 October, 2019 11:45

rumour that any labour MP voting for a Boris deal will get de-selected.

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Posted by Sue 16 October, 2019 18:31

JohnL Wrote:
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> rumour that any labour MP voting for a Boris deal
> will get de-selected.


Rumour from where?

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by diable rouge 16 October, 2019 18:42

Media obsessed with the will they won't they (DUP) over NI customs etc while ignoring that this deal is economically worse than May's deal. So called sovereignty won't put food on your plate and pay the gas bill...

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by Alan Medic 17 October, 2019 07:07

Surely if there is a WA it won't get through the HOC. Maybe it's BJ's plan to garner support in a GE and return him with a majority.

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by JohnL 17 October, 2019 10:45

Deal is done apparently - must have been without the agreement of the DUP.

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