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Posted by diable rouge 01 November, 2018 13:10

#FreeTommyRobinsonArronBanks... smiling smiley smiling smiley smiling smiley

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Posted by JohnL 01 November, 2018 13:44

Wow - Russian Goldmines wasn't it.

[www.standard.co.uk]

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Posted by Alan Medic 02 November, 2018 13:24

I can't believe the effin BBC. Banks is apparently on Marr on Sunday, followed by Question Time (In Dulwich?).

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Posted by JoeLeg 02 November, 2018 17:25

Well pretty much every Leave voter believes the BBC is wildly biased against Brexit and that QT is some kind of communist rally (yes, yes , hyperbole but you get the point), so they’ll be scratching their heads trying to work out how to spin that one.

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Posted by JohnL 02 November, 2018 19:15

Questions now to May if as Home Secretary she blocked a security services investigation into Banks.

[www.theguardian.com]

Allegation comes from the Daily Mail in fact who since the editorial change seem to be mainly anti-brexit (although no doubt have their own agenda)

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Posted by diable rouge 02 November, 2018 19:26

Anti-Brexit is a bit strong John, although they are certainly anti- No Deal and have given the Brextremists who have been advocating that, a dose of their own medicine...

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Posted by diable rouge 08 November, 2018 17:19

Where did it all go wrong Theresa?...[twitter.com]

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Posted by Alan Medic 09 November, 2018 06:56

diable rouge Wrote:
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> Where did it all go wrong
> Theresa?...[twitter.com]
> tus/1060116437631680512


That's excellent though the supporting cast mustn't be forgotten. I particularly like this from Raab who I think must be speaking to a class of 6 year olds.


[www.independent.co.uk]

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Posted by diable rouge 09 November, 2018 11:24

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrjBoHnXcAAfKYR.jpg:small

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Posted by malumbu 10 November, 2018 14:12

Funny thing is that Jo Johnson's resignation may have sent a stronger message than 700,000 marching in central London. Boris cleverly manipulated the former. David Davis doesn't have this level of intelligence.

Labour has missed yet another home goal. Maybe a new centrist party may come from disaffected Tory and Labour MPs (although Barry Gardener who I'd like to put in that group wasn't indicating anything like this on the Channel 4 programme). The nationalist elements of Labour and the Tories can merge with UKIP.

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Posted by Alan Medic 11 November, 2018 07:17

Where's the evidence that BJ manipulated JJ?

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Posted by diable rouge 11 November, 2018 10:32

I'd argue that JJ wouldn't have resigned were it nor for the 700k...

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Posted by JohnL 11 November, 2018 11:42

Carole Cadwalladr has reported that the Tax Payers alliance has agreed to accept all guilt in the dismissal and character attacks on Shahmir Sanni

[www.theguardian.com]

Apparently by conceding that they won't be forced to reveal their benefactors in court.

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Posted by robbin 12 November, 2018 11:47

diable rouge Wrote:
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> I'd argue that JJ wouldn't have resigned were it
> nor for the 700k...

lol!

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Posted by JohnL 12 November, 2018 11:51

JJ is having a pop today - sounds like the vote is lost - maybe she won't even get it through cabinet.

[www.standard.co.uk]

but most chilling for me in that case

“frankly, there haven’t been enough no-deal preparations to prove an alternative”.



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Posted by diable rouge 12 November, 2018 13:02

Whatever happened to ''No deal is better than a bad deal''?...smiling smiley

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Posted by JohnL 13 November, 2018 10:28

So David Liddington (effectively Deputy Prime Minister) has said we made our decision even if it makes us poorer (as he obviously believes it will) and it has to be implemented.

8/10 for honesty
2/10 for understanding that people can change their mind

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Posted by JohnL 13 November, 2018 10:44

The PM - either deluded or lying I'm afraid. Even 52-48 is not overwhelming and I subscribe to the belief that has changed.


'She said Britons "overwhelmingly" wanted her to "get on" with leaving the EU at the address on Monday night.'

[www.standard.co.uk]

[www.independent.co.uk]



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Posted by diable rouge 13 November, 2018 11:48

Statements like that don't really bother me at this stage, as there is an argument that to say something like ''there will be a 2nd ref'' would undermine their already tenuous negotiating position. At the moment it all feels like grandstanding at the eleventh hour, who will blink first. The consensus seems that whatever we end up with will get voted down and we'll end up in a full blown constitutional crisis with the clock still ticking. One under-reported event from last week is that the Gov lost an appeal against a case for the CJEU to rule whether the UK can unilaterally withdraw the A50 notice, thereby not needing the approval of all the EU27, as it currently stands. You'd think that would be a nice insurance to have should things get really sticky, but this Gov is trying to appeal again, this time to the Supreme Court, using 5 QC's, more than they used in the Gina Miller case. If it fails the case will be heard before the CJEU at the end of this month. This was one of the reasons why the Gov has been rushing to get a deal done for a Nov summit before then, but that doesn't look like it will happen now. Instead, it will be mid-Dec, which is good news and weakens the Gov's line that the only options are a bad deal or no deal.
It also looks like the Gov will have to publish their Brexit legal advice. For a Gov that proposes Gov ''taking back control'', they have a funny way of showing it...

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Posted by JohnL 13 November, 2018 17:55

Jacob Rees Mogg has said Theresa Mays deal is not just a vassal state but a slave state. The video (posted by Faisal Islam) is all foggy like some strange found footage movie.

By the way Faisal is moving from Sky to the BBC as Economics Editor

[www.bbc.co.uk]



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Posted by Passiflora 13 November, 2018 22:44

Just watching the BBC news and the news readers and reporters are frothing at the mouth and can't get their words out quick enough about the Brexit news!

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Posted by JohnL 14 November, 2018 11:00

Robert Mueller is after Nigel Farage and Arron Banks apparently. I'd love it if Farage was the brains behind all the sh*t going on in the world - but can't see it.

[www.newsweek.com]

Lovely pic mind.

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Posted by JohnL 14 November, 2018 11:30

Theresa May has now taken back control

[www.independent.co.uk]

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Posted by Angelina 14 November, 2018 11:31

I find all of this confusing. Is May actually working pro-EU and the Border/ Backstop is actually a distraction? There is so little fact - and not enough detail about it to warrant all the big headlines about it.

It would appear that we are leaving but nothing is changing? apart from a divorce settlement.

Do we actually know?

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Posted by diable rouge 14 November, 2018 11:34

Lots of analogies out there this morning, liking this one...Brexit is a Shetland pony with a traffic cone on its head... smiling smiley

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Posted by JohnL 14 November, 2018 11:37

Angelina Wrote:
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> I find all of this confusing. Is May actually
> working pro-EU and the Border/ Backstop is
> actually a distraction? There is so little fact -
> and not enough detail about it to warrant all the
> big headlines about it.
>
> It would appear that we are leaving but nothing is
> changing? apart from a divorce settlement.
>
> Do we actually know?

We haven't seen her plan but it's leaking out.

We won't have representation on the Council of Ministers, We won't have MEPs (as in any form of Brexit) but we have to follow all the rules and maintain all the standards of a member. We won't be negotiating our own trade deals until we can exit the temporary deal which apparently is almost impossible to do (according to leaks)

So (in my view which is similar to the Brexiteers) there is something of the Vassal state in her plan.

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Posted by Angelina 14 November, 2018 11:42

so, actually worse than before. no control and no input.

are we really expecting the cabinet to pass this? surely it's just impossibly blind.



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Posted by JohnL 14 November, 2018 12:17

Angelina Wrote:
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> so, actually worse than before. no control and no
> input.
>
> are we really expecting the cabinet to pass this?
> surely it's just impossibly blind.

Remainers and Leavers seem united in not liking this deal.

I bet Theresa May has something up her sleeve - she may be really bad at some things but she's always been good at finding ways of getting things through parliament using every trick in the book.

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Posted by Angelina 14 November, 2018 12:23

well that's worrying - whether she's got a way of wiggling this through, or if there's more to it that we don't know about.....???

there's a protest today if anyone's near.

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Posted by Alan Medic 14 November, 2018 12:38

Angelina Wrote:
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> well that's worrying - whether she's got a way of
> wiggling this through, or if there's more to it
> that we don't know about.....???
>
> there's a protest today if anyone's near.

A protest? A sort of 'down with this type of thing' type protest? It's probably hard to be specific.

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