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Posted by Jenny1 March 20, 12:29PM

I still maintain any talk of a short extension to June 30th is for the birds. There's still the May 23rd cut off for EU elections to observe. So it's May 23rd - or a much longer and politically difficult extension to allow for participation in EU elections.

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Posted by Jenny1 March 20, 12:33PM

...and of course neither May nor Corbyn have the guts to grasp participation in EU elections, to allow for a longer extension. So, barring extraordinary unforeseen events, my money would be on May being successful in blackmailing Parliament into accepting the WA. And I think we should all stop calling the WA a 'Deal' - because if it is accepted the actual business of negotiating the proper deal will only just be starting....

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Posted by JohnL March 20, 12:34PM

Her reason for extending is to get her own deal through parliament. Doesn't seem like a valid reason to me.

Is there something we are not being told ?

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Posted by Angelina March 20, 12:38PM

It wasn't long ago that May promised that there would be no extension.

She's a bit 'not very honest'.

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Posted by JohnL March 20, 12:41PM

They're both saying we're in a full scale national crisis - but if we were wouldn't they co-operate with each other ?

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Posted by JohnL March 20, 12:44PM

Jenny1 Wrote:
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> I still maintain any talk of a short extension to
> June 30th is for the birds. There's still the May
> 23rd cut off for EU elections to observe. So it's
> May 23rd - or a much longer and politically
> difficult extension to allow for participation in
> EU elections.

EU seems to have confirmed this. Stated options are to May 23rd or end of 2019.

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Posted by diable rouge March 20, 12:48PM

May being duplicit as usual. From the Guardian Live feed...


After MPs voted on Tuesday for the second time to reject May’s deal, and on Wednesday (in a non-binding vote) to reject no deal, May told MPs that, if they did not pass her deal soon, the alternative would have to be a long article 50 extension. She said:

''If the house finds a way in the coming days to support a deal, it would allow the government to seek a short limited technical extension to article 50 to provide time to pass the necessary legislation and ratify the agreement we have reached with the EU.

But let me be clear, such a short technical extension is only likely to be on offer if we have a deal in place.

Therefore, the house has to understand and accept that, if it is not willing to support a deal in the coming days, and as it is not willing to support leaving without a deal on 29 March, then it is suggesting that there will need to be a much longer extension to article 50. Such an extension would undoubtedly require the United Kingdom to hold European parliament elections in May 2019.''

In other words, May now appears to be poised to ask for a short extension of the kind that she told MPs last week would not be on offer if the deal were not passed.

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Posted by Jenny1 March 20, 12:56PM

JohnL Wrote:
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> They're both saying we're in a full scale national
> crisis - but if we were wouldn't they co-operate
> with each other ?

Yes. A cross-party group should have been set up to work out ways forward the day after the referendum result was known in 2016. As others have pointed out, one of the key reasons we're in this mess is that the FPTP system has fostered pantomimic 'conflict' in politics, but no ability to compromise. Arguably if either May or Corbyn were fit to lead a major political party they'd have managed to work out a flexible, co-operative approach despite the inherent weaknesses of FPTP.

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Posted by JohnL March 20, 12:58PM

Halfway down the Standard's report

“People are so exasperated with the ERG over-playing their hand,” the minister said. “People are now saying, ‘We are done with Brexit — let’s bin the whole project and revoke Article 50.’”

[www.standard.co.uk]

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Posted by Alan Medic March 20, 01:04PM

diable rouge Wrote:
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> May being duplicit as usual. From the Guardian
> Live feed...

> Therefore, the house has to understand and accept
> that, if it is not willing to support a deal in
> the coming days, and as it is not willing to
> support leaving without a deal on 29 March, then
> it is suggesting that there will need to be a much
> longer extension to article 50. Such an extension
> would undoubtedly require the United Kingdom to
> hold European parliament elections in May 2019.''
>
> In other words, May now appears to be poised to
> ask for a short extension of the kind that she
> told MPs last week would not be on offer if the
> deal were not passed.


But where on Earth does she get the idea she would be even granted a long extension and for what purpose? Come next week if she loses another vote on her deal, then it's got to be No Deal or Article 50 being revoked.

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Posted by JohnL March 20, 01:26PM

Theresa May threatens to quit if MPs push for delay past June 30


DO IT

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Posted by Alan Medic March 20, 01:42PM

JohnL Wrote:
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> Theresa May threatens to quit if MPs push for
> delay past June 30
>
>
> DO IT


Who would be your preferred idiot to take over?

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Posted by Alan Medic March 20, 01:47PM

Well, well.....

https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/file.php?20,file=322488



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messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by JohnL March 20, 01:49PM

Alan Medic Wrote:
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> JohnL Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Theresa May threatens to quit if MPs push for
> > delay past June 30
> >
> >
> > DO IT
>
>
> Who would be your preferred idiot to take over?

None of them - Boris wins tory leader and a lot of defections (already promised - they had better mean it) would mean we could have a government under maybe Cooper or Benn. Boris would try and re-invent himself again but it's too late.

If the winner was to become PM with support enough to govern ... Rudd (added or lidington)



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Posted by DulwichFox March 20, 02:02PM

I would vote for Labour but NEVER with Corbyn in charge.

If there were to be a General Election I simply would not vote.

DulwichFox

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Posted by JohnL March 20, 03:17PM

France will veto any extension (Macron statement). Basically he's had enough of Britain.

Options are now very limited.

So24 motion tonight

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Posted by JohnL March 20, 03:20PM

Tusk to make statement at 4PM - probably to confirm no extension allowed.

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Posted by JohnL March 20, 03:22PM

Loser of a PM to make statement also.

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Posted by robbin March 20, 03:31PM

Not interested in (and don't believe) anything she has to say!

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Posted by JohnL March 20, 03:32PM

LOL we agree - French foreign minister rolling back a bit on Macron's original statement (as the French do) - but can't see them granting an extension as she has nothing to offer.

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Posted by robbin March 20, 03:36PM

Shame TM seems to have made a conscious decision not to prepare properly for no deal, preferring instead to run down the clock in a crass attempt to blackmail MPs into voting for her 'deal'. Blatantly inappropriate strategy given that it has been emphatically rejected twice and it's clear they don't want her 'deal' because it's cr*p.

Complete amateur hour.

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Posted by JohnL March 20, 03:54PM

The ultimate humiliation now ....

In Brussels some EU officials are now saying that EU leaders will not even take a decision about extending article 50 tomorrow - because Theresa May sent her letter too late.

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Posted by JohnL March 20, 04:08PM

could she resign tonight, more likely telling us all to prepare for no deal.

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Posted by Angelina March 20, 04:11PM

Don't make it sound as if EU are saintly and beyond reproach. Far from it. They have been exceptionally difficult and obstinate.

I would challenge any of our politicians to have actually managed to get a decent deal approved by them. It's hardly in their best interests to have Britain go out with an easy exit....

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Posted by Jenny1 March 20, 04:22PM

JohnL Wrote:
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> The ultimate humiliation now ....
>
> In Brussels some EU officials are now saying that
> EU leaders will not even take a decision about
> extending article 50 tomorrow - because Theresa
> May sent her letter too late.

The message seems to be that she can't have an extension until she gets agreement to some way forward in the Commons. In other words EU leaders are showing more respect for the HOC than she's ever done. I doubt she'll resign. I suspect she'll cling on to the possibility of bludgeoning Parliament into accepting the WA until the very last moment.

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Posted by Sephiroth March 20, 04:24PM

" They have been exceptionally difficult and obstinate. "

citation needed!

EU have played their cards straight, been transparent and behaved exactly as everyone said they would

What is different is that the Leavers like Davis, Gove etc, all promised it would be easy and they would roll over. You do remember that don't you? So they didn't rollover and that makes them exceptionally difficult?

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Posted by Jenny1 March 20, 04:32PM

Interesting thinking on Twitter from Lewis Gooddall of Sky about when in the past we've faced similar situations. He made a short list and concluded that the most similar was the IMF Crisis of 1976 (Just remember this one!). But he notes that in order for it to be resolved Callaghan and Healey needed to be flexible and stand up to their own party. No sign of that kind of behaviour right now.

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Posted by JohnL March 20, 05:48PM

So seriously - anyone financial know the chances of any banks going under if we no deal.

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Posted by robbin March 20, 06:44PM

In Italy, certainly a possibility. Not here in the UK - our banks are in far better shape (according to the stress testing) than elsewhere in the EU.

Out of interest, why do you ask about banks failing - I haven't seen that as a scare story, even in the usual sources of scaremongering?

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Posted by robbin March 20, 06:46PM


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