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messageRe: European Elections
Posted by JohnL May 12, 01:39PM

I didn't watch Marr this morning, but apparently Farage went off on one when questioned.

[metro.co.uk]

Farage: ‘never ever use the word manifesto again’ - there it is then - he won't tell us what his policies are.

messageRe: European Elections
Posted by Jules-and-Boo May 12, 02:42PM

Yes, if you heard the interview, he asked Marr to discuss current politics. Not that unreasonable.

messageRe: European Elections
Posted by diable rouge May 13, 11:19AM

It's not unreasonable to ask questions whether his past politics are reflected in his current politics, i.e. has this particular leopard changed his spots? Apparently not...

messageRe: European Elections
Posted by diable rouge May 13, 02:08PM

This is a YouGov poll for London, figures in brackets 2014 Euro Elections...

Labour 24% (36%)
Brexit 20% (UKIP 16%)
LD 17% (7%)
Green 14% (9%)
Con 10% (22%)


And for a GE, figures in brackets poll taken last Dec...

Labour 35% (49%)
Con 23% (33%)
LD 21% (11%)
Brexit 10% (UKIP 3%)
Green 7% (3%)

messageRe: European Elections
Posted by Hemingway May 13, 02:11PM

OOOH JEREMY CORBYN......oooh Jeremy Corbyn..............oh, Jeremy Corbyn

messageRe: European Elections
Posted by Sue May 13, 02:20PM

smiling smiley

messageRe: European Elections
Posted by JohnL May 13, 05:49PM

Poll shows (as well as some Brexit party gains) large Liberal Democrat and Green gains in London.

I still suspect there's a lot of "Don't Knows" in the raw data.

messageRe: European Elections
Posted by DulwichFox May 13, 06:07PM

JohnL Wrote:
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> Poll shows (as well as some Brexit party gains)
large Liberal Democrat and Green gains in London.
>
> I still suspect there's a lot of "Don't Knows" in
> the raw data.

The Lib Dems and Greens do not have many Policies of their own.
They are both just against most of the Polices of other parties.

messageRe: European Elections
Posted by Sue May 13, 06:50PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> JohnL Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Poll shows (as well as some Brexit party gains)
> large Liberal Democrat and Green gains in
> London.
> >
> > I still suspect there's a lot of "Don't Knows"
> in
> > the raw data.
>
> The Lib Dems and Greens do not have many Policies
> of their own.
> They are both just against most of the Polices of
> other parties.


Eh?

messageRe: European Elections
Posted by ed_pete May 13, 07:35PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> JohnL Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Poll shows (as well as some Brexit party gains)
> large Liberal Democrat and Green gains in
> London.
> >
> > I still suspect there's a lot of "Don't Knows"
> in
> > the raw data.
>
> The Lib Dems and Greens do not have many Policies
> of their own.
> They are both just against most of the Polices of
> other parties.

Or you could say that the other parties are just against the policies of the LD's and Greens.

What piffle.

messageRe: European Elections
Posted by Sue May 13, 07:45PM

big grin

messageRe: European Elections
Posted by Jules-and-Boo May 13, 10:34PM

So, who is clear about what each party will deliver? I don't mean the empty promises they male to get your vote. Which party has the best record for delivering their pre election promises?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was may 13, 10:35pm by Jules-and-Boo.

messageRe: European Elections
Posted by Alan Medic May 14, 07:00AM

Jules-and-Boo Wrote:
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> So, who is clear about what each party will
> deliver? I don't mean the empty promises they male
> to get your vote. Which party has the best record
> for delivering their pre election promises?

The Euro elections are somewhat different to a GE. In the case of these elections I see it as simply a case of voting for leaving the EU or Remaining. I'm not sure what you are getting at.

messageRe: European Elections
Posted by Tractorlad May 14, 07:13AM

It occurred to me last night that these elections are a week on Thursday and perhaps I should do a bit of research into the candidates and their policies. Could i find at least a list of candidates? Could I heck! Someone help please.

messageRe: European Elections
Posted by Jules-and-Boo May 14, 08:17AM

What I'm getting at...
The EU elections are only a chance to indicate what would happen if there were to be a second referendum.
The question is, which of our political parties show integrity, honesty and work towards delivering the manifesto (list of promises to electorate)

messageRe: European Elections
Posted by diable rouge May 14, 10:12AM

I don't think you can say any party has a monopoly on manifesto integrity, honesty etc. There was a panel discussion on last night's Newsnight about manifestos in light of the Brexit party not having one, asking were they needed, especially as there's a modern day perception that all parties never keep their promises. An important point was made that regardless whether manifesto promises are kept, they at least provide a benchmark by which to judge politicians against, otherwise they would have free reign to do what they like without any recall. That's how authoritarian regimes operate, so no surprise Farage should go down that route.
There are good examples whereby the public have punished a party for not delivering on their flagship pledges, the Lib Dems learnt an especially harsh lesson over student loans, and the Tories are suffering now over their failure to deliver Brexit. Likewise a party that has delivered on flagship pledges such as Blair's minimum wage and the Surestart programme, convincingly won a second term...

messageRe: European Elections
Posted by JohnL May 14, 10:27AM

Tractorlad Wrote:
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> It occurred to me last night that these elections
> are a week on Thursday and perhaps I should do a
> bit of research into the candidates and their
> policies. Could i find at least a list of
> candidates? Could I heck! Someone help please.

[inews.co.uk]

The process is that lead party gets top of the list and votes are halved - next highest gets highest on remaining list. The 2nd time you win a candidate (second on list) you have 1/3 of your votes counting - so on until all seats taken (edit: this isn't a good explanation but best I can do LOL)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was may 14, 10:42am by JohnL.

messageRe: European Elections
Posted by diable rouge May 14, 11:05AM

There's a video on this page explaining how it works...
[www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk]

messageRe: European Elections
Posted by diable rouge May 14, 11:26AM

Farage is getting away with not having a manifesto for the Euros as it's seen as a single issue i.e. referendum 2.0, but Brexit if it happens will impact on every aspect of our lives. If only there were more journalists out there asking the Brexit Party challenging questions...

The awkward & revealing pause is back on @BBCr4today thanks to top questioning by @rosschawkins. “Which bit of EU law is stopping us improving education or tackling child poverty?” he asks Brexit Party candidate in Peterborough by-election. Cue pause. A long one.

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