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messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by Wimpole July 05, 07:22AM

I am scared to go into Wetherspoons because I don't like the yellow vests or pitbull dogs. Sometimes I have to brush the scaffolder's ching crumbs off the toilet seat and the flashing lights from the fruit machines hurt my head.

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by KidKruger July 05, 07:50AM

...and the sense of uneasiness you feel when you pop in at 1000 for a cheap breakfast and thereís lone guys sat around nursing their 3rd pint.

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by ianr July 05, 10:14AM

> Have you tried the Dulwich Constitutional club,
> I believe their drinks are reasonable.

I've been in there for the occasional public meeting but they still remain a bit of a mystery to me. They say they're a private members' club, and offer little sign of publicising or inviting membership. [www.dcclublondon.co.uk] Their premises licence permits supply of drinks to members (of 'a club'). [app.southwark.gov.uk]

A local forum provided a little more information: [www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk], [www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk].

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by Humdinger July 05, 10:59AM

Would love a spoons in East Dulwich. I basically cant afford any of the pubs, apart from the odd few in the EDT, but Antic's prices have really crept up in the last couple of years too.

It is never going to happen though! Spoons are closing pubs around inner south London, not opening them. In the space of 3 months alone recently, they closed the Balham one and the Crown and Sceptre in Streatham Hill. Rent rises apparently.

Frankly, East Dulwich is too a fancy area for Spoons.

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by JohnL July 05, 11:03AM

fishbiscuits Wrote:
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> Petition for a Wetherspoons. Haha. Very good.
> Because that's exactly how it works... pester them
> and they'll magically conjure up a suitable
> premises.
>
> The Grove Tavern is a TERRIBLE location for a pub.
> Awful. Shite. It will never, ever be a pub again.
> Flats or a small Tesco seem like the likely future
> for that place.


It used to look welcoming when you drove around the south circular

Could easily be a bikers pub smiling smiley

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by KidKruger July 05, 11:06AM

So that's settled then, no 'spoons in ED.
Not viable.
Not enough demand.
Would drag the area down.
Sorted.

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by Humdinger July 05, 11:31AM

ianr Wrote:
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> > Have you tried the Dulwich Constitutional club,
> > I believe their drinks are reasonable.
>
> I've been in there for the occasional public
> meeting but they still remain a bit of a mystery
> to me. They say they're a private members' club,
> and offer little sign of publicising or inviting
> membership. [www.dcclublondon.co.uk] Their
> premises licence permits supply of drinks to
> members (of 'a club').
> [app.southwark.gov.uk]
> rantedDetails.asp?systemkey=842978
>
> A local forum provided a little more information:
> [www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk]?
> 5,52432,52900,
> [www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk]?
> 30,876431.

I overheard a conversation in Jazz Barbers yesterday of a guy who im pretty sure said he manages this place. He was saying it is going to close imminently as the building is worth £10 million, and has presumably been sold.

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by taper July 05, 12:10PM

Spoons don't allow dogs. So not proper pubs.

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by ed_pete July 05, 12:38PM

Not being much of a pub drinker, can someone enlighten me to the price differential for an average pint of bitter or lager between a Weatherspoons and somewhere on LL ?

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by Hemingway July 05, 01:10PM

Monumental difference. But to be frank I'd rather sit in my house with a beer than in a bloody Wetherspoons

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by fishbiscuits July 05, 01:17PM

Yes - much cheaper. I think around £2.50 for a pint of ale, which would cost £4+ anywhere else round here.

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by DulwichFox July 05, 01:22PM

fishbiscuits Wrote:
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> Yes - much cheaper. I think around £2.50 for a
> pint of ale, which would cost £4 + anywhere else
> round here.

The EDT has Vodens Session (there own Brewery) at £3.30 a pint. and its very good.

DulwichFox

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by peckman July 05, 01:28PM

If the grove was viable it would be open . Terrible location for a pub .. maybe in the era of drink driving but not now !

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by fishbiscuits July 05, 02:17PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> The EDT has Vodens Session (there own Brewery) at £3.30 a pint. and its very good.

Top tip... thanks!


peckman Wrote:
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> Terrible location for a pub .. maybe in the era of drink driving but not now !

Yeah, that's pretty much the problem. It could be a local for the immediate area, but nobody else is going to make the journey especially. I seem to remember only recently, there were rumours of a drive-through McDs...

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by edcam July 05, 02:44PM

Absolutely not. They treat their staff appallingly and the owner is an arch-Brexiteer.

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by Abe_froeman July 05, 02:48PM

Lots of snobs posting in this thread.

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by Hemingway July 05, 03:09PM

I don't like sitting in shit, formulaic pubs with no music, rather sit at home

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by johnie July 05, 03:28PM

You can properly avoid most human contact in a Wetherspoons by using their app.

[play.google.com]

Doesn't work for guest beers, however, which is often the draw.

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by Loutwo July 05, 03:53PM

Abe_froeman Wrote:
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> Lots of snobs posting in this thread.


Doesnít surprise me with all the Clapham intake. Then again, Clapham has a couple of spoons, and they do very well for themselves. Maybe itís just the wannabe nature of some locals. Theyíd like to aspire to Mayfair, but can barely afford Clapham or Battersea, so get stuck round here. Doesnít mean the rest of us should suffer and pay astronomical prices though.

As Iíve said previously, spoons serves a wide audience, it would naturally perform well around here. It may even boost the night life culture.

Louisa.

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by fishbiscuits July 05, 04:02PM

This whole thread was always going to be all about "look at me, I'm so down-to-earth, everyone else is an idiotic snob/wannabe"

We all know there's not going to be any ridiculous petition, it's just about YOU, making the same old tedious point. Again and again.

Finally you play your hand, with the same old snide insults that you so love to regurgitate.

Thoroughly unpleasant character. I hope you vomit on your £2.50 brexit beer.

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by DulwichFox July 05, 04:06PM

So are Weatherspoon's exempt from High rents and rates. ??

If not, what is the justification for all other outlets charging so much for Beer, Spirits and Food. ?

Answer. Greed.

DulwichFox.

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by Loutwo July 05, 04:15PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> So are Weatherspoon's exempt from High rents and
> rates. ??
>
> If not, what is the justification for all other
> outlets charging so much for Beer, Spirits and
> Food. ?
>
> Answer. Greed.
>
> DulwichFox.


Exactly this point. It seems some pub cos try their luck in certain places if they believe people are gullible enough to pay the price. Not all of course. Wetherspoons tend to buy beer in towards or close to its sell by date and therefore able to get it cheaper, I would presume. Itís not a bad business model, it seems to work pretty well. The fact they offer meal deals with alcohol is a big browning point too. Iíve often ventured upto Fox on the Hill over the years, and am the first to admit the atmosphere can be generic and the food isnít exactly Michelin starred, but it serves a purpose.

Louisa.

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by Loutwo July 05, 04:18PM

fishbiscuits Wrote:
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> This whole thread was always going to be all about
> "look at me, I'm so down-to-earth, everyone else
> is an idiotic snob/wannabe"
>
> We all know there's not going to be any ridiculous
> petition, it's just about YOU, making the same old
> tedious point. Again and again.
>
> Finally you play your hand, with the same old
> snide insults that you so love to regurgitate.
>
> Thoroughly unpleasant character. I hope you vomit
> on your £2.50 brexit beer.

Stop being a snob. Just because you live in your metropolitan bubble where apparently popping along to what was toastED, was some sort of bargain basement guilty pleasure. Get into the real world.

Louisa.

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by ed_pete July 05, 04:22PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> So are Weatherspoon's exempt from High rents and
> rates. ??
>
> If not, what is the justification for all other
> outlets charging so much for Beer, Spirits and
> Food. ?
>
> Answer. Greed.

Is it possible that
(a) they pay more for their beer, Wetherspoons pay less because they are much larger and can negotiate discounts
(b) they have better qualified kitchen staff and they pay them more
(c) they use better quality ingredients that cost more


> DulwichFox.

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by Humdinger July 05, 04:22PM

Loutwo Wrote:
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> Abe_froeman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Lots of snobs posting in this thread.
>
>
> Doesnít surprise me with all the Clapham intake.
> Then again, Clapham has a couple of spoons, and
> they do very well for themselves. Maybe itís just
> the wannabe nature of some locals. Theyíd like to
> aspire to Mayfair, but can barely afford Clapham
> or Battersea, so get stuck round here. Doesnít
> mean the rest of us should suffer and pay
> astronomical prices though.
>
> As Iíve said previously, spoons serves a wide
> audience, it would naturally perform well around
> here. It may even boost the night life culture.
>
> Louisa.


Erm, there are no Wetherspoons in Clapham.


Also, the myth that spoons buy all their beer just before it is about to go out of date is exactly that- a myth. They buy their beer at very competitive prices, because of their buying power. there is about 800 spoons, breweries etc actually want spoons to stock their beer, so sell them their beer cheaply.

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by Abe_froeman July 05, 04:25PM

"If not, what is the justification for all other outlets charging so much for Beer, Spirits and Food. ? "

I don;'t think it's greed, I think it's more the way so many pubs are structured.

If you're a tied landlord you have to buy your beer from the freeholder who , more often than not these days, is not a brewer and so has to buy the beer themselves first from a brewer or maybe even an agent of the brewer. The more people that have to buy the beer before it is sold to the customer, the more expensive it gets.

Spoons are able to buy beer direct from the brewers and have the purchasing power of 750 pubs. They will be getting a much better deal on their beer than most other landlords could dream of.

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by edcam July 05, 04:38PM

But perhaps they also pay a living wage?

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> So are Weatherspoon's exempt from High rents and
> rates. ??
>
> If not, what is the justification for all other
> outlets charging so much for Beer, Spirits and
> Food. ?
>
> Answer. Greed.
>
> DulwichFox.

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by JohnL July 05, 04:42PM

Actually not all Wetherspoons are the same

The price in Peckham Spoons is much cheaper than Chancery Lane Spoons

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by fishbiscuits July 05, 04:53PM

Loutwo Wrote:
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> Stop being a snob. Just because you live in your... blah blah.. look at me everyone...

I'm not really a snob. OK, I did once live in Clapham (in a grim flatshare in 2000), and it's true that we can afford to eat out at reasonably nice places.. but I also use Wetherspoons, Nandos, McDonalds, curry houses, etc.

There is a valid point to be made about social cleansing, but instead of making it constructively (which you're obviously more than capable of doing), you repeat the same old insults, provocations, and general bitterness.

messageRe: Petition for a Wetherspoons
Posted by fishbiscuits July 05, 04:56PM

JohnL Wrote:
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> The price in Peckham Spoons is much cheaper than Chancery Lane Spoons

Yeah, central London Wetherspoons aren't particularly cheap. Kentish Drovers/Fox on Hill/Capitol/Postal Order all seem to be the same price, through.

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