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messageElectric two wheelers
Posted by malumbu July 11, 11:50PM

Not sure if this has been discussed elsewhere but here are some (hopefully considered) thoughts.

Electric scooters can be a bit of a nightmare for motorists, cyclists and pedestrians. They will have their place but are currently neither road or pavement legal - I expect the supplier doesn't inform most purchasers of this. No enforcement so hopefully sooner of later they will become legal but have some controls.

Power on demand pushbikes - throttle and go. Wrong wrong wrong. Not classed as electric motorbike, not road legal, bloody dangerous. Again no enforcement and buyers may not be aware.

Pedal-assisted pushbikes. Had a go on one a couple of years ago. Great fun, like having somebody push you. I see these as being great for those with less mobility, or a particularly long commute. But seeing fitter younger people than me doing similar journeys is odd.

And the issue with all of these is that cutting you up on the inside at speed is so dodgy and waiting to cause an accident.

Electric skateboards - just weird. Segways - niche product that I don't want to see on the road.

Over to you.

messageRe: Electric two wheelers
Posted by bobbsy July 12, 09:43AM

I think anything that is used on the road, that is powered, should be registered.

messageRe: Electric two wheelers
Posted by first mate July 12, 11:53AM

Agree it is an issue but then speeding cyclists will also cut up those who are slower.

messageRe: Electric two wheelers
Posted by fishbiscuits July 12, 11:57AM

I don't really get the problem with electric scooters on the road or cycle lanes. They go a similar speed to a bicycle. (faster than a slow bike, but slower than a fit/keen cyclist). Why shouldn't they go wherever a bike can go?

messageRe: Electric two wheelers
Posted by first mate July 12, 12:53PM

Well, I suppose that is my point really. There are impatient, speeders on just about any vehicle and they take risks. It is perhaps the mindset that needs adjusting and not the type of vehicle. I have felt intimidated by 'fellow' car drivers and by 'fellow' cyclists, by scooter/ motorbike drivers too, you name it. At source is the same issue, The person is in a hurry and demands you go faster or they overtake you in whatever manner they choose.

messageRe: Electric two wheelers
Posted by Captain Marvel July 12, 04:22PM

Electric scooters are all over Europe and everyone enjoys them. Here, they are technically illegal but so far the government/cops aren't doing anything about it.

I foresee that the spoilsports will spoil the sport though. Helmets, tax and insurance and hefty fines for transgression are sadly inevitable. We're that kind of society

messageRe: Electric two wheelers
Posted by Springer July 12, 06:02PM

Woman killed in battersea today on a electric scooter

messageRe: Electric two wheelers
Posted by Seabag July 14, 07:23PM

Every city in Europe has these, Iíve ridden them, but my son did come off his on a wet corner (on a designated pathway I should add) and thereís no doubt that these things are beyond a fad.

How we regulate them Iím not sure, but most probably on a cycle path is the way forward.

If youíre able to, try one when youíre away. Once you ride it, they make sense.

messageRe: Electric two wheelers
Posted by Blah Blah July 15, 12:39AM

I have no issue with them and I cycle everywhere. Even had a chat with a guy on an electric sccoter at the lights the other day. Told me his cost £1800 but they are as cheap as £350 on some sites. I can absolutely see the benefits of a foldable electric scooter for short distance commuting. They take up hardly any room and have disk braking. Why can't there be a place for them with some guidelines? This guy was wearing a helmet and had lights fitted on his. As with everything, it is down to the user to be safe and responsible around other road users.

messageRe: Electric two wheelers
Posted by fishbiscuits July 15, 11:56AM

Springer Wrote:
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> Woman killed in battersea today on a electric scooter
Sad as it is, it does not indicate that they're any more dangerous than a bicycle, for instance.

We def need some regulation on these things. Perhaps under certain speed/power they could be treated as bikes and permitted without license. I've just seen one available which can go 40mph... gears, lights, suspension.. how is that not a full motor vehicle?!! (I would love one, though...)

messageRe: Electric two wheelers
Posted by Seabag July 15, 01:37PM

Springer Wrote:
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> Woman killed in battersea today on a electric
> scooter


Iím sad to hear that, but thereís an inherent risk in most things, and stepping onto a scooter is one.

People also choke on baked beans, or fall off ladders. I even heard of a poor lady that collapsed and the metal straw she was drinking through Ďdidí for her in some nasty way. Itís how life rolls sometimes.

I think a few basics in precaution, and wearing some kind of high viz + helmets etc is a way forward.

As I said, Europeís capitals are rife with them. Maybe our resident Brexshitters have an opinion on that, but me Iím all for it.

messageRe: Electric two wheelers
Posted by rahrahrah July 15, 01:55PM

Iím all in favour of electric vehicles if they get more people out of their cars (which they probably do). Just a shame that SE London doesnít see to have the same kind of coverage as other areas of London again. The new Uber ĎJump!í Bikes are the best, but they donít even come as far south as the north bank of the Thames.

messageRe: Electric two wheelers
Posted by rahrahrah July 15, 01:58PM

... that said, I saw someone on a Boosted board (e-skateboard) this morning and whilst it looked incredibly fun, he was far from in control/ stable. Those things are a lot faster than most e-scooters too.

messageRe: Electric two wheelers
Posted by teddyboy23 July 15, 04:55PM

Young lad 14yrs old suffered a serious head injury on Saturday afternoon ,in beckenham after crashing into a busstop while riding on the pavement.he was airlifted to hospital .he's still in a crital condition.witnesses said no helmet on and was travelling at speed,and seemed to have lost control.hope he pulls through.

messageRe: Electric two wheelers
Posted by Jennys July 15, 07:03PM

There was a long article about e-scooters in The Observer yesterday.

messageRe: Electric two wheelers
Posted by malumbu July 15, 11:10PM

I think the purpose of social media is to discuss issues and enlighten ourselves. So if you refer to an article you may wish to explain what it is about, give an opinion and perhaps share the link. Otherwise it is like saying "there was a dog turd on the pavement" - which the questions are - where did it come from, what did it look like, why is it there, who is going to clean it up. My apologies as I just found it very hard to not make these comments rather than look it up.

So back to the discussion. Well not really further digressions. 1. Don't you just hate it when people go off topic. 2. Don't you just hate it when people have to have a go at cyclists even though this thread is not about push bikes 3. Interestingly I have seen two push bikes with petrol engines in the last week. (here's a kit you can buy in Amazon although I can't recommend it) [www.amazon.co.uk]

Back on thread - issues I have with electric scooters are that they suddenly come out of nowhere, cut me up and I doubt if the users have any training. But there again am I being selective in my views, and the same (ignorant) arguments are made about cyclists.

Anyway perhaps you forgot to finish off your post Jenny. I look forward to hearing more! (that sentence was not supposed to be sarcastic, clearly my earlier words were very pompous)

messageRe: Electric two wheelers
Posted by fishbiscuits July 16, 10:14AM

Who's having a go at cyclists?? It's a great way of getting about town, especially with the growing cycle infrastructure. Yeah there are some bad cyclists... some bad scooter riders... some bad car drivers... some bad bus drivers... even bad pedestrians! But that's not going to change, is it? Everyone just needs to be careful.

Petrol engines, you say? Sounds like the future!

messageRe: Electric two wheelers
Posted by Siduhe July 16, 12:37PM

Quote:
malumbu
Pedal-assisted pushbikes. Had a go on one a couple of years ago. Great fun, like having somebody push you. I see these as being great for those with less mobility, or a particularly long commute. But seeing fitter younger people than me doing similar journeys is odd.

I've tried a few times over the years to cycle more locally and do more shopping by bike and public transport in the local areas. Buying a pedal-assisted electric bike has been the thing that's swung it for me. I'm not that young and not that fit but it does three main things:

* makes it realistic for me to get up Underhill/Dog Kennel with a full pannier;

* means I arrive at my destination not a sweaty mess (and no lycra required); and

* means I can get away from the front of traffic lights at a speed so that I'm not holding up cars/having cars drive round me or being pushed past by other cyclists.

As a result I'm a far more confident and regular cyclist. Appreciate that some cyclists see them as "cheating" and there's obviously a cost involved, but I would definitely recommend getting an electric bike for people who just want to increase the amount of local cycling and commuting they do, regardless of age. E-bikes are much more commonly used on the continent by normal people - not just the elderly or those with restricted mobility.

messageRe: Electric two wheelers
Posted by Jennys July 16, 05:46PM

Jennys Wrote:
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> There was a long article about e-scooters in The
> Observer yesterday.

Sorry, but I donít know how to link things on here. I assume you could look it up pretty easily if you wanted to. I hope and assume you are not really as offensive as your post suggests you might be.

messageRe: Electric two wheelers
Posted by exdulwicher July 16, 06:24PM

Link to a Guardian article:
[www.theguardian.com]

and I guess this is The Observer one you refer to? From June though, not "yesterday" which in the course of this thread I assume to be Sunday 14th July...
[observer.com]

Personally I'd say the more small mobility devices there are over and above massive polluting mobility devices (cars...) the better. Our useless Governement is so paralysed over Brexit though that literally nothing esle is getting through Parliament.

I was in Italy last summer, we were having a couple of drinks in a small bar on the corners of one of those lovely little residential, cobbled streets just watching the world go by. It was full of e-things. e-bikes (students, people doing the shopping, couples heading out for a ride along the river), e-scooters (seemed to be mostly kids but there were a few families too). Lovely atmosphere, quiet, peaceful - plenty of people strolling along unbothered by the little e-things which generally were fairly sedately ridden. I think in the entire time we were there we saw maybe half a dozen cars. It was so nice.

It can work fine. The problem is that people see one death / injury and immediately start to invent laws banning them. Shame they don't do that with cars...

messageRe: Electric two wheelers
Posted by Jennys July 16, 07:30PM

Thank you for that. Actually it was in just this very last Sundayís Observer though it comes up online as Guardian. I could see how to put it on Facebook or Twitter but not on here. I will have another try.

messageRe: Electric two wheelers
Posted by Jennys July 16, 07:42PM

This might work

[www.google.com]

messageRe: Electric two wheelers
Posted by TheArtfulDogger July 16, 10:17PM

Exdulwicher

They haven't just invented laws against them, they were in existence already and they are now enforcing them after the two crashes.

It does beg a question of should their use be debated with representation from various lobbies to see if they are safe to use in this country, if so what restrictions to where they can be used (for example not on public highways, m25...) and if there is an appetite for them plus what needs to be done to provide charging inferstructure without adding more dirty power sources to the grid

I like some of them but again in the right place (not on pavements where pedestrians walk for example)

messageRe: Electric two wheelers
Posted by malumbu July 16, 10:32PM

greetings Jenny, you will see that I have a pop at most people who just give a link (in fact I thought I was being quite gentle - I'm far worse with those who put up links to tweets but don't have views).

Here's the artcle (just cut and past the whole thing with http in it as well) [www.theguardian.com]

It seems to want to cover everything and does not live up to its title. There are interesting studies in Copenhagen, which has the benefits of less cars and more space for bikes, and in Germany where they seem to be used when you are drunk. There is also some discussion about hire schemes but concerns that they go the same way as our yellow bike scheme. Some of the debate on this site is more illuminating.

Greetings Sidhue - I certainly wasn't having a pop at you. I do think it will be a shame if some give up the conventional bike for the e-bike due to the health benefits. I could certainly have a push up the hill by an electric motor.

Greetings fishbiscuits - I overeacted to a post which I thought was having a go at cyclists, which you normally get on this sort of discussion. But I didn't read it properly and jumped to the wrong conclusion. And thanks for the amusing comment on petrol engines. Made me smile.

And greetings to the rest of the EDF.


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