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12pm start Sat 20th July - 'March For Change' in Central London


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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/march-for-change-july-20-2019-route-date-map-time-london-anti-brexit-a4193141.html


'When is the March for Change?


The march will take place at 12pm on Saturday, July 20.


What is the route of the March for Change?


Campaigners are being told to meet at Park Lane for midday. The meeting point is next to the Hilton Hotel.


After meeting at Park Lane, campaigners will then march to Parliament Square where a number of speakers will be heard.


If you're travelling on the London Underground, the nearest Tube stations are Marble Arch on the Central line or Bond Street, which is on the Central and Jubilee lines


But if you are coming from further afield, coaches have been booked to take people into London from all corners of the UK.


Is there a map? [yes - in article]


What celebrities and parties have signed up to take part in the march?


Singer Billy Bragg, presenter Sandi Toksvig and Gavin Esler have all signed up so far, along with Caroline Criado-Perez and Ayesha Hazarika.


Other supporters include the Lib Dems and the Green Party along with Best for Britain and Women for a People's Vote.


Why is the March for Change happening?


Mr Johnson is the favourite by some margin to replace Theresa May as Prime Minister next week, and organisers say they're marching now to "make it clear to Boris Johnson that we want to stop the Brexit chaos".


Campaigners say that more focus needs to be placed on the NHS, schooling and affordable housing instead of resources being put towards Brexit.


They add: "This is a national emergency. We won?t put up with a hard Brexit PM being imposed on the country and hurtling us towards the cliff edge.


"We can only solve the big global challenges - from climate change to terrorism - by working with Europe and the rest of the World.


"We can build that better tomorrow through the most successful peace project in history.


"No to Boris. Yes to Europe."'



See also: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/boris-blimp-to-join-9ft-nigel-farage-on-anti-brexit-march-in-london

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Apols but sounds to me like these people have no idea what they want...but I guess it's cool to just be 'anti-whatever' right?


Seems like it's mostly about brexit. Fine. Why not just say that. Instead reading 'why are we marching' is like playing left wing bingo....with extra points for mentioning climate change, the NHS, schooling and affordable housing....

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Why don't you tell us WHAT the march is about rather than yap on about the when, where and who, yeah, who are these celebs, never heard of them.


You appear to be a bunch of anti Boris remainers or is that Remoaners??????? A bit of transparency (honesty) would help.


Have you not heard of democracy???????? The Govt/Parliament are trying to (badly stop the outcome of the referendum which a majority voted for)

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dbboy Wrote:

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> Why don't you tell us WHAT the march is about

> rather than yap on about the when, where and who,

> yeah, who are these celebs, never heard of them.


OK first part of the sentence true, it is frustratingly confusing what this is about (beyond don't leave Europe and we don't like Boris). Find is bizarre that there is a campaign against him and he hasn't even become PM yet.


>

> You appear to be a bunch of anti Boris remainers

> or is that Remoaners??????? A bit of transparency

> (honesty) would help.


Well yes, you could say that.

>

> Have you not heard of democracy???????? The

> Govt/Parliament are trying to (badly stop the

> outcome of the referendum which a majority voted

> for)


That's where it gets interesting. We have a government that didn't win a majority and a PM who wont be voted in by the people. Seems a bit of a democratic deficit to me.


But hey ho, Boris may improve educational standards and hopefully bring in a law to limit the use of exclamation marks and question marks - and bring in some latin too. I suggest a limit of one ! per post and one ? for every question. I'm planning a march on Whitehall now!!!! Who would like to join me?????? Is this a wonderful piece of digression!!!!!!!!!!


Carpe diem!!!!!!!!!!!! Caudices!!!!!!


The sun has come out now!!!!!! So I think I will cycle down (very champagne socialist!!!!!!) now!!!!!!!!!

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Yes Malumbu - you've got me totally banged to rights, up in front of the beak in the morning and off to the cells!


I was tiring of the lack of acceptance that a referendum had been held and a majority (rightly or wrongly) and more than likely without sufficient information being available to them at the time about the consequences, had made a choice.


Since then the Govt of the day have made a total hash of the whole process of following through on the referendum, which is where the bit of democracy came into play. But both major parties play the same game in changing leaders and at the same time wanting to remain in power, which is understandable.


The way I see things is that MP's are voting how they wish to vote personally and not as their constituency voted in the Referendum. Had they done so, the UK may already have left the EU.


And just maybe what the country actually needs now to sort this mess out and to take UK plc forward is for a General Election, with the potential result of neither major party having a majority and ending up with another coalition?


As for Farage et al, until he wins a seat in the UK Parliament all he effectively is, is a mouth piece for get the UK out of Europe, with no power and the other countries of the EU openly laughing at the predicament and decision made by the UK to leave.


Would another Referendum solve anything - I have absolutely no idea.

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Dbboy


Explain as concisely as possible what ?Brexit? means and then tell me how you get sufficient people to support whatever you write down


Every Leave campaign in the referendum was all about how we wouldn?t suffer/would be better off/easiest deal in the world


Many people who believed that won?t believe the ?no deal will be suboptimal but we will be ok?

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The MPs are voting to put Country before party (in most cases).

You can call that ?personal? if you want.

They can see what a disaster for the country Brexit is (already has been - currency exchange rate, companies moving operations abroad, reduced investment/investment on-hold) and they?re exercising basic common sense.

Surely anyone sane can agree the ?referendum? was badly done and had no clarity about the shape of Brexit, plus some pretty major lies were told. About as bad an engagement of the population as it?s possible to get.

It may not feel like it but MPs are trying to protect your ass.

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Britain?s contribution to the EU has shot up by ?2.6 billion in the past 12 months, new Treasury figures show, as the UK?s growing economy was used to prop up Brussels? budget.


An ?eye-popping? ?15.5 billion was sent across the Channel in the year ending March 31, compared with ?12.9 billion the year before - an increase of 20 per cent.


The extra money would be enough to put 50,000 more police officers on the streets or fund 81,000 social care beds.


Brexiteers said the increase was yet more evidence that Britain must leave the EU as soon as possible to stop taxpayers? money ?pouring into bottomless EU coffers?.


DulwichFox

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Wow foxy


?2.6 billion per cent ?


That?s a lot. Are you SURE??


Now. Even if we were to give your numbers credibility (which I don?t) what?s the difference between gross and net


What does that money get us? Quite a lot I?d say


I can complain about sky raising their prices AGAIN, but if I stop paying I don?t have access to their programmes any more (an imperfect analogy. I don?t need to sell sky anything in return)


It?s just a shitty bluff. ?We spend money!!!?


Yes you do. And you think there is a better answer? Define it. Define it AND get support for it

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Sephiroth Wrote:

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> Wow foxy

>

> ?2.6 billion per cent ?

>

> That?s a lot. Are you SURE??

>

> Now. Even if we were to give your numbers

> credibility (which I don?t) what?s the difference

> between gross and net

>

> What does that money get us? Quite a lot I?d say

>

>

> I can complain about sky raising their prices

> AGAIN, but if I stop paying I don?t have access to

> their programmes any more (an imperfect analogy.

> I don?t need to sell sky anything in return)

>

> It?s just a shitty bluff. ?We spend money!!!?

>

> Yes you do. And you think there is a better

> answer? Define it. Define it AND get support for

> it


I have corrected the editing error. which was in the original document.


Any amount sent to the E.U. is too much.


If you do not believe The UK should manage its own finances then

perhaps you would like someone to manage your finances.


I would be happy to do this for you. Just transfer all your monies into an account that I will set up

and then advice you on what you may spend part of that money on. Makes sense ??


That's what the E.U. does.



Fox

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Foxy doing a FINE job there. Proving just how smart these leave voters can be


Foxy. Why do you think for 40+ years the uk has NOT managed its own finances?


Why do you think most of the other eu countries don?t manage their own finances but want to stay in the eu?


What is England (not uk. The uk did not vote to leave) going to do now that it couldn?t do before?


You are a fool sir. Chasing fool?s gold. And taking us with you

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Sephiroth Wrote:

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> Dbboy

>

> Explain as concisely as possible what ?Brexit?

> means -


Brexit = Leaving the EU



and then tell me how you get sufficient

> people to support whatever you write down


It's not about getting people to support whatever I scribe, I have presented some facts for people to consider.



>

> Every Leave campaign in the referendum was all

> about how we wouldn?t suffer/would be better

> off/easiest deal in the world

>

> Many people who believed that won?t believe the

> ?no deal will be suboptimal but we will be ok?

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That is some weak sauce


Leaving the eu in the referendum was presented as painless and advantageous


No one is pretending that now. The referendum was a bait and switch. It?s illegitimate.


You have presented no facts. I suggested you define it because, as the last 3 years have shown ?leaving the eu? as something a majority would vote for is a mirage. As soon as anyone writes down what it means, support evaporates


Do a referendum now with no deal as the option? Not a chance you would win.

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?Exactly, people didn't know what they were voting for and or more importantly what the consequences would be.?


I?m not convinced the consequences are still fully known, but given what we have learned since the referendum a follow-up would not vote Leave IMO.

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No proof at all less people would vote leave in a follow up, and if anything the very boundaries between the two camps are more defined now than they ever were 3 years ago. Not just my opinion, check the opinion polls.


As a vote leave person who changed their mind post vote, I am in no position to judge switchers. However, the whole process of democracy depends upon majority opinion. If the majority voted one way, the legitimate thing to do in a FPTP democracy is to enact that decision. If, in a decade or less we feel the need for a second referendum, by all means go for it. I?d happily vote to re-join. But DO NOT, reverse a decision BEFORE it has been legitimised, that?s classic EU dictation. Keep asking the same question until you give me the answer I want. Patronising.


BTW, it wasn?t just ?England? who voted majority for Brexit, Wales did too.


Louisa.

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You can not enact a decision If the decision is not defined. ?Leaving the eu? means many things to many people. Many of those definitions directly contradict others.


It?s has nothing to do with the eu


It?s simply this country being childish. They deserve to be patronised frankly


If you want to leave the eu, define how you want to leave, them out that to a vote


You can?t leave and then try and rejoin later. Not without painful concessions


You have to say what kind of leave you want. You have to write it down and codify it - and you can?t. Because as soon as you do it loses support. And that?s nothing to do with the eu

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The biggest net contributor to the EU by far is Germany - yet people say Germany gain massively from the EU (which they probably do ).


So contributions are not a real measure of the value of membership.


Also - if we are talking about a march - and it's being said that it's a bit nebulous what it wants - maybe that's because it's all preparation for rejoining in a few years (10 maybe) - we have the right to start the fight for that now as I think we all agree we are leaving and probably with a no deal (unfortunately in my view)

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