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messageFoie Gras Ban
Posted by DulwichFox October 31, 10:09AM

New York has Banned the sale of Foie Gras

The so called 'Delicacy' produced by intensively Force Feeding Ducks and Geese.

Anyone found selling Foie Gras will face a $2,000 fine for EACH infringement.

I welcome this ban..

DulwichFox

messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by SpringTime October 31, 11:04AM

[en.wikipedia.org]

I know it's wrong - but it just tastes so good! Are there alternative "recipes" to yield a similar product?

Also in New York, do they allow non-stun slaughter for Halal and Kosher meat? They should be consistent...

messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by DulwichFox October 31, 11:48AM

SpringTime Wrote:
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> [en.wikipedia.org]
> fare
>
> I know it's wrong - but it just tastes so good!
> Are there alternative "recipes" to yield a similar
> product?
>
> Also in New York, do they allow non-stun slaughter
> for Halal and Kosher meat? They should be
> consistent...

That is true but Halal and Kosher are considered as Religious practices and a delicate subject.

I have never tasted or eaten Foie Gras and have no desire to do so.

I am a meat eater mainly chicken and have to admit there are bad practices where animals
for food are concerned. I eat a lot of Curries and am aware of Halal meat.
I was Vegetarian for 3 years back in the 70's. I am trying to resume my vegetarianism
I eat King Prawn curries but was appalled to find that on Prawn Farms the females have there
eye stalks cut out. The reason is that it increases breeding as the females are blind..

Also after seeing recently videos from Peta of baby pigs being abandoned and left to die
after their mothers have been slaughtered. I have now stopped buying Bacon.

Foxy

messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by mrwb October 31, 01:11PM

What about battery chickens?

Shouldn't we ban KFC and similar as well?

[www.peta.org]

EU has slightly tougher rules. Doesn't make much difference though.

messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by JohnL October 31, 01:16PM

SpringTime Wrote:
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> [en.wikipedia.org]
> fare
>
> I know it's wrong - but it just tastes so good!
> Are there alternative "recipes" to yield a similar
> product?
>
> Also in New York, do they allow non-stun slaughter
> for Halal and Kosher meat? They should be
> consistent...

It doesn't come into force until 2022. There are non force fed Foie Gras methods - which is why the ban is delayed hoping farms can change their model.

[www.nytimes.com]

messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by SpringTime October 31, 02:39PM

I'm guessing not all French farms will switch for the sake of NY., but more will change if other populations follow suit. I could live without foie gras for the sake of animals - we don't have battery eggs/chicken in our house, and no cheap fried chicken etc. so the French stuff doesn't need to be an exception for us. No non-stun meat either - religion shouldn't be immune. And I'd happily enforce a ban on processed chicken whether or not it meant these crappy joints folded or not.

messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by DulwichFox October 31, 02:48PM

Do not be fooled by the term Free Range..
This Hut contains 16,000 'Free Range' Chickens

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/11/15/article-2508173-196418FF00000578-486_634x389.jpg

Up to 16,000 hens crammed into a shed, and many NEVER see daylight. But believe it or not, THESE are free-range chickens

There is a door to the outside so they are Free Range.

Full article

[www.dailymail.co.uk]

Chickens like these sold as 'Free Range' are twice, three times the price of other chickens.
There is the con.

There are Quality Chickens that are bred in better conditions
a Bresse Chicken from Borough Market will set you back £35.00 - £50.00

https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/q_auto,w_412,c_fill,g_auto,h_232,ar_16:9/http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.cnn.com%2Fcnnnext%2Fdam%2Fassets%2F171016174809-a-capon-a-few-weeks-before-slaughter.jpg


DulwichFox



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was october 31, 02:58pm by DulwichFox.

messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by SpringTime October 31, 03:20PM

Yeah I remember seeing so-called free range growers and layers crammed in like sardines whilst living in or near farms as a kid. They were little better off than batteries. Never paid more than £20 for a chicken myself (not even a live one) but happy to splash out on Label Anglais (they sometimes have at Flock and Herd) and the Fosse breed they sell at The Butchery SE23 is decent and properly priced. [fossemeadows.com] Chicken shouldn't be cheap.

messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by TheArtfulDogger October 31, 05:53PM

That's New York of my places to visit list ...

messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by DulwichFox October 31, 06:52PM

TheArtfulDogger Wrote:
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> That's New York of my places to visit list ...

Would they let you past immigration. ???

They have file and files on everyone ??

Fox

messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by TheArtfulDogger October 31, 07:07PM

Sadly I haven't got a current doggy passport 😂 Although never had a problem getting through US immigration

Do they do foxy passports ? I imagine that the secret US file on you must be awful thick

messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by DulwichFox October 31, 07:28PM

TheArtfulDogger Wrote:
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> Sadly I haven't got a current doggy passport
> 😂 Although never had a problem getting
> through US immigration
>
> Do they do foxy passports ? I imagine that the
> secret US file on you must be awful thick

I worked in Telecoms for 40 years.
Back in the 80's I worked on VAX Digital Corporation systems.
I was vetted. I had High level system security access.

I am what they call a 'White Hat '

Fox.

messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by TheArtfulDogger October 31, 08:29PM

Foxy, the first rule of spy club is ....?

Weren't "White Hats" Russian or is that a cocktail ?

messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by DulwichFox November 01, 10:10AM

TheArtfulDogger Wrote:
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> Foxy, the first rule of spy club is ....?
>
> Weren't "White Hats" Russian or is that a cocktail
> ?

The 'White Hats' were the Good Guys who wrote Good Code to Repaired computer systems .

The 'Black Hats' were the Bad Guys who wrote Bad Code like Viruses*

Foxy..

Note to the Pedants..
Quote:
The noun virus has a Latin root, but is one of the few nouns that has no plural in Latin. It occurs only in the singular. The English plural viruses (which adheres to the standard rules for forming plurals) is the only way to make the noun virus plural.
smiling smiley

messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by JohnL November 01, 10:14AM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> TheArtfulDogger Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Foxy, the first rule of spy club is ....?
> >
> > Weren't "White Hats" Russian or is that a
> cocktail
> > ?
>
> The 'White Hats' were the Good Guys who wrote Good
> Code to Repaired computer systems .
>
> The 'Black Hats' were the Bad Guys who wrote Bad
> Code like Viruses*
>
> Foxy..
>
> Note to the Pedants..
> The noun virus has a Latin root, but is one of the
> few nouns that has no plural in Latin. It occurs
> only in the singular. The English plural viruses
> (which adheres to the standard rules for forming
> plurals) is the only way to make the noun virus
> plural. smiling smiley


It's a bit more murky now as you have a black hat conference every year - the hat now seems to refer to how you tackle the bad guys (do you use their own tactics)

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messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by fishbiscuits November 01, 12:34PM

I used to eat Foie Gras fairly frequently, but now... I guess I rarely go to that type of restaurant any more, and it's not a product easily available for home consumption. Although it does taste fantastic... but I will admit that it's pretty hard to justify, and any ban is for the greater good.

Kosher/Halal... in an ideal world, we'd stop pandering to illogical beliefs based on absurd mythology. And the law of the land - guided by knowledge, empathy, and moral consensus - would take precedence. Easier said that done in a city like NY. But maybe one day...

messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by seenbeen November 01, 01:55PM

fishbiscuits Wrote:
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> I used to eat Foie Gras fairly frequently, but
> now... I guess I rarely go to that type of
> restaurant any more, and it's not a product easily
> available for home consumption. Although it does
> taste fantastic... but I will admit that it's
> pretty hard to justify, and any ban is for the
> greater good.
>
> Kosher/Halal... in an ideal world, we'd stop
> pandering to illogical beliefs based on absurd
> mythology. And the law of the land - guided by
> knowledge, empathy, and moral consensus - would
> take precedence. Easier said that done in a city
> like NY. But maybe one day...

Yes. totally agree, but unfortunately we are all still inadvertently helping to perpetuate the mythology through our taxes helping to pay for 'religious' schools- it makes me sick to my stomach. (sorry -off topic)

messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by pk November 01, 02:19PM

seenbeen Wrote:
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> fishbiscuits Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >>
> Yes. totally agree, but unfortunately we are all
> still inadvertently helping to perpetuate the
> mythology through our taxes helping to pay for
> 'religious' schools- it makes me sick to my
> stomach. (sorry -off topic)

how intolerant (and OTT)

messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by fishbiscuits November 01, 04:56PM

Objecting to faith schools is "intolerant"? Really? Why support a practice that actively segregates communities?

messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by TheArtfulDogger November 01, 05:26PM

The ban in New York isn't in force till 2022 and resturants and suppliers all over NY are going to throw legal obstacles in its path

Could be interesting to watch and let's hope our mayor doesn't get ideas about becoming the food police as he can't manage the real police

messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by pk November 02, 07:38AM

fishbiscuits Wrote:
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> Objecting to faith schools is "intolerant"?
> Really? Why support a practice that actively
> segregates communities?

Being sick to the stomach that some taxes are used to allow sone children to be educated in a faith school is definitely intolerant, of the religious beliefs of others

Diversity is a good thing

messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by fishbiscuits November 02, 08:23AM

No, disagreeing with faith schools is NOT the same as being intolerant of religion. That's a very, very strange thing to say.

Nobody is preventing you from believing whatever the hell you want. It's all good. But it is just that... a BELIEF. It has no place in education.

I am - as you may have guessed - an atheist. But would not want my daughter to go to a school where kids were told that there categorically is no god. It's for her to decide, and if she ever wants to practice a religion, she is welcome to do so in her own time.

Diversity is a good thing, yes. But faith schools actively discourage diversity, by preventing your children learning and socialising with children of different religions. They segregate communities.

messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by pk November 02, 08:57AM

fishbiscuits Wrote:
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> No, disagreeing with faith schools is NOT the same
> as being intolerant of religion. That's a very,
> very strange thing to say.
>
> Nobody is preventing you from believing whatever
> the hell you want. It's all good. But it is just
> that... a BELIEF. It has no place in education.
>
> I am - as you may have guessed - an atheist. But
> would not want my daughter to go to a school where
> kids were told that there categorically is no god.
> It's for her to decide, and if she ever wants to
> practice a religion, she is welcome to do so in
> her own time.
>
> Diversity is a good thing, yes. But faith schools
> actively discourage diversity, by preventing your
> children learning and socialising with children off
> different religions. They segregate communities.


Are you also sick to the stomach of single sex schools? And private schools? And schools that operate any sort of selection process other than a pure lottery?

Cause surely they too actively discourage diversity too?

messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by Seabag November 02, 11:33AM

Is this now the ‘banning things’ thread?

If so, can we ban horse racing 🏇🏿 please.

messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by cella November 02, 07:53PM

TheArtfulDogger Wrote:
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> The ban in New York isn't in force till 2022 and
> resturants and suppliers all over NY are going to
> throw legal obstacles in its path
>
> Could be interesting to watch and let's hope our
> mayor doesn't get ideas about becoming the food
> police as he can't manage the real police

Evidence?

messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by uncleglen November 02, 09:16PM

fishbiscuits Wrote:
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> Objecting to faith schools is "intolerant"?
> Really? Why support a practice that actively
> segregates communities?
Precisely- and not just communities- I've worked in several 'faith' schools and they actively discriminate against LGBT by not including those PEOPLE in the Equality section of the Citizenship program.( until September 2020) And, unfortunately fishbiscuits, we are banging our heads up against a brick wall trying to persuade any person of 'faith' to think again because 'faith' is a belief in the totally unknowable....Catch 22 comes to mind- conveniently for them.

messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by pk November 02, 09:28PM

uncleglen Wrote:
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> fishbiscuits Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Objecting to faith schools is "intolerant"?
> > Really? Why support a practice that actively
> > segregates communities?
> Precisely- and not just communities- I've worked
> in several 'faith' schools and they actively
> discriminate against LGBT


So you strongly object to faith schools

But you’re happy to take their money and to work their

You see any hypocrisy in that?

messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by Spartacus November 03, 10:29AM

cella Wrote:
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> TheArtfulDogger Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The ban in New York isn't in force till 2022
> and
> > resturants and suppliers all over NY are going
> to
> > throw legal obstacles in its path
> >
> > Could be interesting to watch and let's hope
> our
> > mayor doesn't get ideas about becoming the food
> > police as he can't manage the real police
>
> Evidence?

I saw this on the BBC news which I think may supports doggers statement

[www.bbc.co.uk]

messageRe: Foie Gras Ban
Posted by cella November 03, 03:18PM

The Mayor and the police I was referring to.

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