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message‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by Seabag November 02, 11:52AM

Banning things never seems to go out of fashion. However, fashions change and stuff rightly gets banned.

I still remember being in a pub or a restaurant and people lighting up a cigarette as if it was completely ok. Thankfully we’re living in a more enlightened time for the best part, but there are still things on our collective radar.

Vaping
Horse racing
On line gambling
Betting shops

All my personal pipe dreams for a general banning, with luck I can realistically see Vaping having its day sometime in the future.

But here’s a platform to air your views, though try to stick to your subject, as a list is tedious to read, even more so to engage with.

There’s a whole range of subjects in the arena, from Cars to Foie Gras, Electric Scooters to Fake News

So here we go, knock yourselves out.

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by malumbu November 02, 12:16PM

Interventions are required when good citizenship and the rule of law breaks down

(a) for health and safety of the population
(b) for our economic welfare
(c) to support future well being and our communities

It has to be proportionate and achievable, and not with unintended consequences such as being driven underground. Prohibition anyone?

So we could ban lots of things but who is going to enforce it - and anything that alienates the masses aint going to happen (20mph zones?). It's all about making money isn't it? Society has to change. Blame Corbyn and/or Thatcher.

I love the classic interview in the street "I hate government as they tell us what to do" And what do you want government to do? "oh they should ban x y and z".

To return to your questions. Betting. A tenner on a nice time out. Whats the issue? It's entertainment. When it goes beyond entertainment....

So when we say ban the question is why and how?

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by SpringTime November 02, 01:11PM

Please don't ban vaping - at least not until the smoking of cigarettes belongs firmly in history. Vaping has an important role for the time being, especially in the UK where we have superb quality controls:

[www.bhf.org.uk]
[www.theguardian.com]

How about banning people who hover in the middle lane (a.k.a. the overtaking lane) on the motorway from driving - forever!

And spitting on the pavement should be properly banned, if it isn't already, certainly seems not to be.

4x4s in East Dulwich should be banned, with zest.

If I was in charge I'd also ban Philip Green.

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by Spartacus November 02, 02:09PM

There was a very lovely science fiction book written based partially on the concept of a totalitarian state where everything was banned , the anti sex league were against joy, thought police watched your every move and history was rewritten on a daily basis.

There was another one written where books were banned and burned to stop dangerous ideas and unhappy concepts.

Are we advocates of this sort of future for the citizens of East Dulwich ?

Guy Montag and Winston Smith may disagree with banning things !

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by Sue November 02, 05:58PM

Spartacus Wrote:
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> There was a very lovely science fiction book
> written based partially on the concept of a
> totalitarian state where everything was banned ,
> the anti sex league were against joy, thought
> police watched your every move and history was
> rewritten on a daily basis.
>


Do you mean 1984?

That wasn't science fiction!

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by DulwichFox November 02, 06:14PM

The Book 1984 is classed as Science Fiction in the sense that..

... it Showed what effect New Technologies could have on society and humanity.

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by Sue November 02, 07:06PM

Sorry posted twice by mistake



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was november 02, 07:07pm by Sue.

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by Sue November 02, 07:11PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> The Book 1984 is classed as Science Fiction in the
> sense that..
>
> ... it Showed what effect New Technologies could
> have on society and humanity.


I realise you've just googled Science Fiction and extracted that from a much longer definition, but have you actually read the book?

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by Seabag November 03, 01:35AM

Sue Wrote:
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> DulwichFox Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The Book 1984 is classed as Science Fiction in
> the
> > sense that..
> >
> > ... it Showed what effect New Technologies
> could
> > have on society and humanity.
>
>
> I realise you've just googled Science Fiction and
> extracted that from a much longer definition, but
> have you actually read the book?


Maybe we ban copy and paste ☝️

Tbh, I could get quite giddy with the whole ‘banned’ thing. Like c r a z y!

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by Spartacus November 03, 10:33AM

Sue Wrote:
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> DulwichFox Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The Book 1984 is classed as Science Fiction in
> the
> > sense that..
> >
> > ... it Showed what effect New Technologies
> could
> > have on society and humanity.
>
>
> I realise you've just googled Science Fiction and
> extracted that from a much longer definition, but
> have you actually read the book?


As the book was published in 1949 and predicted the future it is placed in the class of books known as Science Fiction 😎

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by DulwichFox November 03, 12:00PM

Yes .. I have read the book.. 1984

.. and Animal Farm (at School)

1984 about people living in a Dystopia

Animal Farm is about the 'Birth' of a Dystopia and how it comes about.

There is NOTHING Original that can be said or written about that is 'Non Google-able' Made that word up..
Did not need to Google 'Science Fiction'

For Fox Sake

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by seenbeen November 03, 01:41PM

The book burning one is Fahrenheit 451. Brave New World is a must read- the Deltas are an interesting group...
Minority Report film based on a book by Philip K Dick is about how the police preempt crimes using psychics...

Paving over gardens in cities should be banned

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by Loutwo November 03, 03:14PM

I’d like to ban “know-it-all” type people. But then again, this forum would have very few of us left.

Louisa.

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by sjsl November 03, 04:41PM

Or being judgmental, but that would knock out a few forumites too... and if we were all perfect and never judged anyone/thing life would be dull indeed.

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by DulwichFox November 03, 04:54PM

I'm not sure the O.P. was referring to Banning certain types from the Forum.

More about things to Ban in general.

I am Not a smoker but find Vaping more offensive than smoking .. even outside,
where Vapers insist on creating the largest Plume of Vapour they can and blow it
indiscriminately in any direction with no consideration for others.

Grrrrrh

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by Spartacus November 03, 07:48PM

Giving in to the concept of this thread for a moment
A momentary lapse
Can Christmas Adverts before Dec 5th be banned
Saw one tonight and it's not even bonfire night (that's tomorrow)

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by JohnL November 04, 07:54AM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> I'm not sure the O.P. was referring to Banning
> certain types from the Forum.
>
> More about things to Ban in general.
>
> I am Not a smoker but find Vaping more offensive
> than smoking .. even outside,
> where Vapers insist on creating the largest Plume
> of Vapour they can and blow it
> indiscriminately in any direction with no
> consideration for others.
>
> Grrrrrh

I'm okay in general with vaping even though someone blew the vape smoke in my face once - 70s throwback smiling smiley

Whats happening with the deaths in the states though - thats scary (is it what they vape).

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by SpringTime November 04, 09:26AM

JohnL Wrote:
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> DulwichFox Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm not sure the O.P. was referring to Banning
> > certain types from the Forum.
> >
> > More about things to Ban in general.
> >
> > I am Not a smoker but find Vaping more
> offensive
> > than smoking .. even outside,
> > where Vapers insist on creating the largest
> Plume
> > of Vapour they can and blow it
> > indiscriminately in any direction with no
> > consideration for others.
> >
> > Grrrrrh
>
> I'm okay in general with vaping even though
> someone blew the vape smoke in my face once - 70s
> throwback smiling smiley
>
> Whats happening with the deaths in the states
> though - thats scary (is it what they vape).

There's no "vape smoke" with vaping - it's just vapour and no smoke. And yes the problems in the U.S. haven't been proven elsewhere yet - likely due to illicit and THC juices being used.


How about circumcision - for girls and boys alike. Unless there's a genuine medical reason for it. Genital mutilation of children M should be banned whether it's FGM or MGM.

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by rahrahrah November 04, 09:43AM

I would like to ban people who stand head down, texting, in segregated bike lanes. Where did people use to stand and text before the segregated bike lane was introduced?
I would also like to, maybe not ban, but heavily discourage / tax 4X4s in urban areas. Totally unnecessary and dangerous.

[www.theguardian.com]



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messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by SpringTime November 04, 10:19AM

rahrahrah Wrote:
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> I would like to ban people who stand head down,
> texting, in segregated bike lanes. Where did
> people use to stand and text before the segregated
> bike lane was introduced?
> I would also like to, maybe not ban, but heavily
> discourage / tax 4X4s in urban areas. Totally
> unnecessary and dangerous.
>
> [www.theguardian.com]
> eadly-problem-should-we-ban-suvs-from-our-cities

Agreed x2

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by Loutwo November 04, 11:27AM

Absolutely agree. SUV’s have no place in our inner cities. Usually driven by entitled wealthy incomers, who drive them recklessly as though they’re on a racing track. God only knows the amount of pollution they give off. Makes me laugh when certain posters on here complain about dog poo, you might want to look at the toxic smoke being kicked out by SUv’s as a first priority towards harming yours and your family’s health.

Louisa.

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by fishbiscuits November 04, 12:42PM

I accept your point. But I think a crackdown on vehicles should probably be emissions based (or maybe by size/weight?). A large saloon or estate could be heavier, and more polluting, than a small to mid-size SUV.

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by ed_pete November 04, 01:31PM

Loutwo Wrote:
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> Absolutely agree. SUV’s have no place in our inner
> cities. Usually driven by entitled wealthy
> incomers, who drive them recklessly as though
> they’re on a racing track. God only knows the
> amount of pollution they give off. Makes me laugh
> when certain posters on here complain about dog
> poo, you might want to look at the toxic smoke
> being kicked out by SUv’s as a first priority
> towards harming yours and your family’s health.
>
> Louisa.

What's wrong with "incomers" ? Sounds slightly xenophobic to me. I do hope that you're new neighbours in Sidcup (or where ever you move to) are equally welcoming.

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by seenbeen November 04, 01:47PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> I'm not sure the O.P. was referring to Banning
> certain types from the Forum.
>
> More about things to Ban in general.
>
> I am Not a smoker but find Vaping more offensive
> than smoking .. even outside,
> where Vapers insist on creating the largest Plume
> of Vapour they can and blow it
> indiscriminately in any direction with no
> consideration for others.
>
> Grrrrrh

The plume of vapour is propylene glycol- the same stuff people use on stage for smoke effects.

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by DulwichFox November 04, 02:57PM

seenbeen Wrote:
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> DulwichFox Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm not sure the O.P. was referring to Banning
> > certain types from the Forum.
> >
> > More about things to Ban in general.
> >
> > I am Not a smoker but find Vaping more
> offensive
> > than smoking .. even outside,
> > where Vapers insist on creating the largest
> Plume
> > of Vapour they can and blow it
> > indiscriminately in any direction with no
> > consideration for others.
> >
> > Grrrrrh
>
> The plume of vapour is propylene glycol- the same
> stuff people use on stage for smoke effects.

I don't think they are the same thing. ???

Vape Vapour disappears in seconds..

Theatre 'Smoke' can Hang in the air for many minutes..

I Stand to be corrected.

Foxy

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by peckham_ryu November 04, 04:16PM

I think you’re only supposed to ban things that are fun, bad for you, and that people can either get offended by or judgemental about.

Smelly cheese. Can’t think why it’s not even on the radar yet. It’s delicious, has unhealthy fat levels, and people can choose from being offended by the smell or the cattle-bothering involved. It’s perfect for banning.

I’d say kids in pubs would be on the ban list too, but that’s pretty much a given and we’ve done it to death by now. Strong beer in pubs though? Could ban that and make them serve mild. Can you even order a pint of mild anywhere now?

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by JohnL November 04, 04:22PM

It looks like propylene glycol is used in everything.

[www.healthline.com]

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by Alan Medic November 04, 05:39PM

Larger vehicles which can't drive down a street without taking up more than half the road. Find a different route where you don't cause everyone else to have to stop.

Dropping litter. You should be ashamed.

Tattoos. Just why?

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by malumbu November 04, 06:27PM

If this is a fun thread there is already one about the irrational rage. I'd include the latest fad of making calls on speaker when you are in a public area. Great when you are on the bus. This tops watching videos on your phone without using earphones or insisting on showing other people your videos and YouTube clips on your phone with your bally tinny speakers.

If is is a serious thread have a look on what I said earlier - failure of other means to control, appetite for regulation (oh no, we don't want to alienate drivers....), costs/effectiveness and unintended consequences including the black market and fueling criminality.

Having said the rise in on-line betting is feeding an addiction. Self regulation is about as successful as letting the fast food/soft drinks industry reduce abuse.

messageRe: ‘Banning’ things thread.
Posted by uncleglen November 05, 12:01AM

Anthropomorphism should be banned

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