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messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by Hemingway 12 December, 2019 22:08

Well there. Ooooh Jeremy Corbyn

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by sweetgirl 12 December, 2019 22:08

Oh well..... It's over. 😬😳

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by DulwichFox 12 December, 2019 22:14

Corbyn plans to organise a P*** - up in a Brewery.

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by DulwichFox 12 December, 2019 22:34

Labour Party Remainers will be demanding a second General Election. #Democracy

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by Rockets 12 December, 2019 22:47

The first results arenít even in yet and Labour sources are calling for Corbynís head saying this is all down to him and his cronies.

If this is even half close to accurate it is worse than 83. This country was ripe for change after years of terrible Tory rule and Labour dropped the ball massively - I hope they learn their lesson and return to a more centre-left electable position.

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by carlafindle 12 December, 2019 22:50

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> Labour Party Remainers will be demanding a second
> General Election. #Democracy


And what exactly will you be celebrating?

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by cella 12 December, 2019 23:42

Hemingway Wrote:
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> Go and throw a Jew under a bus you hypocrite


Admin want to come in here?

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by Seabag 13 December, 2019 00:08

Boris can bring back fox hunting now.

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by Loutwo 13 December, 2019 00:55

Labourís fence sitting on Brexit and abhorrent treatment of Jewish opinions, saw me vote Green. I changed my mind in the polling station btw.

So after 10 years of Tory rule, the people of this country could not trust the opposition. Says it all, and there will be plenty like myself who made the same judgment call.

No doubt the urban champagne socialists will be cupping their ears and blaming the result on Brexit and not on a unpopular Marxist leader. Londonís bubble is just a out of touch echo chamber. Not fit for purpose.

Louisa.

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by TheCat 13 December, 2019 01:27

It's notthat bad people. It's more of the same....

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by Hemingway 13 December, 2019 02:17

From Twitter

On every level, Corbynism has been a foul debacle. It has stunk out British politics. The dustbin of history awaits. @#$%& off back to your paper sales and meetings above pubs. Give politics back to decent people.

Well said

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by Grove boy 13 December, 2019 02:31

Blah Blah Wrote:
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> Anything to say about Boris's racism and
> homophobia then. Anything at all? And let's also
> not forget about the British woman languishing in
> an Iranian jail because of Boris's lazy stupidity.
> The man is shameful and yet has no shame. Virtue
> signalling indeed.

It's terrible just like anti-semitism. One doesn't make the other any better or worse, nor does it absolve anyone. Corbyns fence sitting an so called ambiguity over brexit has lost labour stronghold seats for the first time in 40 years,ex mining towns turning blue should never happen. He ignored his core voters and pandered to gullible students and the middle classes, look where that has got him. He couldn't shift the Maybot when he had an open goal, he should have gone then. Hopefully he's gone by Monday so long term labourites can support their party again.



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messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by Grove boy 13 December, 2019 02:45

Labourís self analysis has started, damning of Corbyn and McDonnell:

Phil Wilson, Labour's candidate in Sedgefield - a Brexit-backing Tory target seat and ex-PM Tony Blair's former constituency - said: "To blame Brexit for the result is mendacious nonsense."
"Jeremy Corbyn's leadership was a bigger problem. To say otherwise is delusional," he added on Twitter.
"The party's leadership went down like a lead balloon on the doorstep."

Likewise Ian Murray, Labour's candidate in Edinburgh South, tweeted: "Every door I knocked on, and my team and I spoke to 11,000 people, mentioned Corbyn."
"Not Brexit but Corbyn. I've been saying this for years. The outcome is that we've let the country down and we must change course and fast."

Former Labour home secretary Alan Johnson told ITV News: "It's Corbyn. We knew that in Parliament."
"We knew he was incapable of leading, we knew he was worse than useless at all the qualities you need to lead a political party."

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by JohnL 13 December, 2019 08:14

Oh well lets start by cancelling my Sky contract and go from there.

I now feel free and owe nobody anything smiling smiley

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by JohnL 13 December, 2019 08:23

A fellow Swansea supporter "Traditional Labour voters don't want Eddie Izzard or Stormzy" I think that's where we're headed and it's not inclusive.

Labour held on in Swansea East, West and Gower - not sure what was being said there as I'm out of touch.



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messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by Rockets 13 December, 2019 09:19

And Dame Margrate Hodge has just said that Labour has beoome the nasty party (which let's admit it is something when you're running against the Tories).

Momentum are blaming the media but they really need to look at themselves. The Marxist strategy may have been palatable for the born-again champagne socialists or the Socialist Worker wielding activists but was not at all palatable to many of the electorate. Of course Brexit played a part but only because Labour failed to determine a clear strategy. Labour has neglected its grass roots and now has some difficult decisions to make. I, for one, hope they abandon the hard-left angry politics and rhetoric and return to the centre-ground - Momentum has, unceremoniously, ground to a halt and the party needs to rid itself of them.

The fact that the last-time Labour had such a hard-left position was in 1983 and they have just done worse than even Michael Foot ought to speak volumes. The party needs to change or it will die.

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by TheCat 13 December, 2019 09:19

Amongst the predictions of doom and gloom. At least the remoaners will finally STFU.....

Jokes people.



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messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by cella 13 December, 2019 09:31

Loutwo Wrote:
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> Labourís fence sitting on Brexit and abhorrent
> treatment of Jewish opinions, saw me vote Green. I
> changed my mind in the polling station btw.
>
> So after 10 years of Tory rule, the people of this
> country could not trust the opposition. Says it
> all, and there will be plenty like myself who made
> the same judgment call.
>
> No doubt the urban champagne socialists will be
> cupping their ears and blaming the result on
> Brexit and not on a unpopular Marxist leader.
> Londonís bubble is just a out of touch echo
> chamber. Not fit for purpose.
>
> Louisa.


The fact that you've changed your mind/views several times and then made a snap decision whilst actually in the booth tells us much about the reliability and robustness of your decision making.

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by cella 13 December, 2019 09:33

TheCat Wrote:
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> It's notthat bad people. It's more of the same....


You can only be this cavalier if you feel that nothing can shake your secure world. Don't worry about those less confident and fearful. Good luck with that and to all of us.

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by cella 13 December, 2019 09:34

Hemingway Wrote:
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> From Twitter
>
> On every level, Corbynism has been a foul debacle.
> It has stunk out British politics. The dustbin of
> history awaits. @#$%& off back to your paper sales
> and meetings above pubs. Give politics back to
> decent people.
>
> Well said

Do you count yourself as decent?

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by fishbiscuits 13 December, 2019 09:45

Well there's no denying that the Corbyn fanclub have at least partly facilitated this result. Surely even the most blinkered of disciples must realise this.

But as I said before, having a great local MP is a silver lining. It seemed like a good turnout... went fairly late in the evening and there was still a long queue. The ballot box was full and I had to physically stuff my paper in... almost got my fingers stuck!!

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by JohnL 13 December, 2019 09:59

fishbiscuits Wrote:
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> Well there's no denying that the Corbyn fanclub
> have at least partly facilitated this result.
> Surely even the most blinkered of disciples must
> realise this.
>
> But as I said before, having a great local MP is a
> silver lining. It seemed like a good turnout...
> went fairly late in the evening and there was
> still a long queue. The ballot box was full and I
> had to physically stuff my paper in... almost got
> my fingers stuck!!

@AyoCeasar and Bastani unrepentant - say it's a 30 year project. They've lost even me smiling smiley

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by JohnL 13 December, 2019 10:00

TheCat Wrote:
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> Amongst the predictions of doom and gloom. At
> least the remoaners will finally STFU.....
>
> Jokes people.


There's nothing to say really - just let Boris get on with it and see what happens.

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by TheCat 13 December, 2019 10:13

cella Wrote:
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> TheCat Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's notthat bad people. It's more of the
> same....
>
>
> You can only be this cavalier if you feel that
> nothing can shake your secure world. Don't worry
> about those less confident and fearful. Good luck
> with that and to all of us.

'More of the same' = cavalier????

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by diable rouge 13 December, 2019 10:22

Busted, you're not really a cat are you?...

https://www.holidogtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/cavalier-king-charles-cover.png

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by Loutwo 13 December, 2019 10:27

cella Wrote:
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> Loutwo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Labourís fence sitting on Brexit and abhorrent
> > treatment of Jewish opinions, saw me vote Green.
> I
> > changed my mind in the polling station btw.
> >
> > So after 10 years of Tory rule, the people of
> this
> > country could not trust the opposition. Says it
> > all, and there will be plenty like myself who
> made
> > the same judgment call.
> >
> > No doubt the urban champagne socialists will be
> > cupping their ears and blaming the result on
> > Brexit and not on a unpopular Marxist leader.
> > Londonís bubble is just a out of touch echo
> > chamber. Not fit for purpose.
> >
> > Louisa.
>
>
> The fact that you've changed your mind/views
> several times and then made a snap decision whilst
> actually in the booth tells us much about the
> reliability and robustness of your decision
> making.


Or maybe it just tells us that if a true Labour voter struggled in the ballot box, then Labour is obviously doing something wrong? The anti- semites scared a lot of people, as did momentum. Keep blaming it on Brexit though.

Louisa.

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by diable rouge 13 December, 2019 10:34

Loutwo Wrote:
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> Keep blaming it on Brexit though.

While earlier it was..

> Labourís fence sitting on Brexit.......saw me vote Green.

Make up your mind. Oh I forgot, you can't...

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by fishbiscuits 13 December, 2019 10:34

JohnL Wrote:
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> @AyoCeasar and Bastani unrepentant - say it's a 30
> year project. They've lost even me smiling smiley

A 30 year (or however long) project would make sense if their vote share was increasing throughout. If there was light at the end of the tunnel. But it's not the case, is it?! Second GE under Corbyn, and his share of seats has plummeted. The projection is downwards. The project, or whatever you want to call it, is not working.

I do honestly think that a very large proportion of the country would like to see more spending on NHS, education and welfare funded by progressive tax reform. I believe people want to see the green energy sector growing (and see it as an opportunity, not a burden). I think most people see the benefit of companies being able to hire the best talent from throughout Europe (and the world). All this is completely achievable within the context of a dynamic, entrepreneurial market economy... without disincentivizing the tech and finance sectors... without spunking away 100+ billion on re-nationalising everything you can think of... I feel like screaming because the obvious voice of reason is sorely missing from politics at the moment.

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by diable rouge 13 December, 2019 10:38

Would anybody who has cited labour's fence-sitting on Brexit care to say what they should've done?
Which ever side they fell off the fence they were going to upset the other side...

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by fishbiscuits 13 December, 2019 10:50

diable rouge Wrote:
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> Would anybody who has cited labour's fence-sitting
> on Brexit care to say what they should've done?
> Which ever side they fell off the fence they were
> going to upset the other side...

I've been thinking about this. Up until now I've been critical of Corbyn's EU approach, probably because we all know that he's really at heart a eurosceptic. He sees it as a vehicle for capitalism and free trade.

However, in the cold light of day, I have to admit that even if the party had embraced a more pro-EU stance (say, second referendum and campaign to remain), it wouldn't have been enough.

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