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messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by Hemingway 12 December, 2019 20:58

Whilst we are on Homophobia. Whilst he was an obscure crank on Labourís backbenches took, guess who took money from Iranian state TV . A country that literally hangs homosexual men from cranes.

Thereís not a scale of anti-semitism. You try and squirm out of it as much as you want. A microcosm of so called progressives all over social media today.



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messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by cella 12 December, 2019 21:06

Hemingway Wrote:
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> The squirming and contortions on social media by
> people who claim to be non-racists to justify
> voting for an institutionally anti-Semitic party
> which is frightening British jews is a sight to
> behold today. Clearly anti-semitism doesn't really
> count as racism for huge number of laughably
> labelling themselves 'progressives' . Rank,
> hypocrites..makes me want to puke.

Ridiculous and OTT.

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by Hemingway 12 December, 2019 21:09

another in denial or pretending there isnít a huge problem

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by carlafindle 12 December, 2019 21:23

Hemingway Wrote:
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> another in denial or pretending there isnít a huge
> problem


Go and have a cold shower you plonker

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by Hemingway 12 December, 2019 21:25

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messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by TheCat 12 December, 2019 21:25

Every since I was a kid. I've looked forward to the election results show. I know it's sad, but its the mathematician in me.....

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by Sephiroth 12 December, 2019 21:30

"Removed by Admin"

Something is up tonight. This isnít right. This ainít normal

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by Spartacus 12 December, 2019 21:38

Calm down people ... it's only an election !

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by Hemingway 12 December, 2019 21:42

No itís not. Just gobsmacked at how many people I genuinely thought were progressive liberal people are excusing the inexcusable. Not on here for clarity, I couldnít give a feck for the idiotic ramblings of the EDF nowadays

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by fishbiscuits 12 December, 2019 21:47

On Corbyn - I don't personally believe he is antisemitic, but the brand of extreme anti-Israel/anti-zionist sentiment amongst him and his crew leaves them so open to such accusations, they should know better.

If I'm absolutely honest, their Brexit fence-sitting and opaque borrowing plans bother me more.

I've gone LD again, which is going to make sod all difference in Camberwell & Peckham, but hey. The silver lining is that I'll be more than happy with Harriet Harman as MP again.

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by Hemingway 12 December, 2019 21:50

Right Iím off to watch the election. The only outcome Iíd even vaguely be happy with is a hung parliament with the LDs and SNs only supporting a minority Labour government if Corbyn and his hard left , anti-Semitic cabal feck off right out of it. A slim hope.

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by Hemingway 12 December, 2019 22:08

Well there. Ooooh Jeremy Corbyn

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by sweetgirl 12 December, 2019 22:08

Oh well..... It's over. 😬😳

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by DulwichFox 12 December, 2019 22:14

Corbyn plans to organise a P*** - up in a Brewery.

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by Mahoody 12 December, 2019 22:26

Just proves the best money I ever spent was the £3 for labour membership back in 2015 so that I could vote for Jeremy.

He didn't disappoint.

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by DulwichFox 12 December, 2019 22:34

Labour Party Remainers will be demanding a second General Election. #Democracy

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by Rockets 12 December, 2019 22:47

The first results arenít even in yet and Labour sources are calling for Corbynís head saying this is all down to him and his cronies.

If this is even half close to accurate it is worse than 83. This country was ripe for change after years of terrible Tory rule and Labour dropped the ball massively - I hope they learn their lesson and return to a more centre-left electable position.

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by carlafindle 12 December, 2019 22:50

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> Labour Party Remainers will be demanding a second
> General Election. #Democracy


And what exactly will you be celebrating?

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by cella 12 December, 2019 23:42

Hemingway Wrote:
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> Go and throw a Jew under a bus you hypocrite


Admin want to come in here?

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by Seabag 13 December, 2019 00:08

Boris can bring back fox hunting now.

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by Loutwo 13 December, 2019 00:55

Labourís fence sitting on Brexit and abhorrent treatment of Jewish opinions, saw me vote Green. I changed my mind in the polling station btw.

So after 10 years of Tory rule, the people of this country could not trust the opposition. Says it all, and there will be plenty like myself who made the same judgment call.

No doubt the urban champagne socialists will be cupping their ears and blaming the result on Brexit and not on a unpopular Marxist leader. Londonís bubble is just a out of touch echo chamber. Not fit for purpose.

Louisa.

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by TheCat 13 December, 2019 01:27

It's notthat bad people. It's more of the same....

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by Hemingway 13 December, 2019 02:17

From Twitter

On every level, Corbynism has been a foul debacle. It has stunk out British politics. The dustbin of history awaits. @#$%& off back to your paper sales and meetings above pubs. Give politics back to decent people.

Well said

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by Grove boy 13 December, 2019 02:31

Blah Blah Wrote:
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> Anything to say about Boris's racism and
> homophobia then. Anything at all? And let's also
> not forget about the British woman languishing in
> an Iranian jail because of Boris's lazy stupidity.
> The man is shameful and yet has no shame. Virtue
> signalling indeed.

It's terrible just like anti-semitism. One doesn't make the other any better or worse, nor does it absolve anyone. Corbyns fence sitting an so called ambiguity over brexit has lost labour stronghold seats for the first time in 40 years,ex mining towns turning blue should never happen. He ignored his core voters and pandered to gullible students and the middle classes, look where that has got him. He couldn't shift the Maybot when he had an open goal, he should have gone then. Hopefully he's gone by Monday so long term labourites can support their party again.



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messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by Grove boy 13 December, 2019 02:45

Labourís self analysis has started, damning of Corbyn and McDonnell:

Phil Wilson, Labour's candidate in Sedgefield - a Brexit-backing Tory target seat and ex-PM Tony Blair's former constituency - said: "To blame Brexit for the result is mendacious nonsense."
"Jeremy Corbyn's leadership was a bigger problem. To say otherwise is delusional," he added on Twitter.
"The party's leadership went down like a lead balloon on the doorstep."

Likewise Ian Murray, Labour's candidate in Edinburgh South, tweeted: "Every door I knocked on, and my team and I spoke to 11,000 people, mentioned Corbyn."
"Not Brexit but Corbyn. I've been saying this for years. The outcome is that we've let the country down and we must change course and fast."

Former Labour home secretary Alan Johnson told ITV News: "It's Corbyn. We knew that in Parliament."
"We knew he was incapable of leading, we knew he was worse than useless at all the qualities you need to lead a political party."

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by JohnL 13 December, 2019 08:14

Oh well lets start by cancelling my Sky contract and go from there.

I now feel free and owe nobody anything smiling smiley

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by JohnL 13 December, 2019 08:23

A fellow Swansea supporter "Traditional Labour voters don't want Eddie Izzard or Stormzy" I think that's where we're headed and it's not inclusive.

Labour held on in Swansea East, West and Gower - not sure what was being said there as I'm out of touch.



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messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by Rockets 13 December, 2019 09:19

And Dame Margrate Hodge has just said that Labour has beoome the nasty party (which let's admit it is something when you're running against the Tories).

Momentum are blaming the media but they really need to look at themselves. The Marxist strategy may have been palatable for the born-again champagne socialists or the Socialist Worker wielding activists but was not at all palatable to many of the electorate. Of course Brexit played a part but only because Labour failed to determine a clear strategy. Labour has neglected its grass roots and now has some difficult decisions to make. I, for one, hope they abandon the hard-left angry politics and rhetoric and return to the centre-ground - Momentum has, unceremoniously, ground to a halt and the party needs to rid itself of them.

The fact that the last-time Labour had such a hard-left position was in 1983 and they have just done worse than even Michael Foot ought to speak volumes. The party needs to change or it will die.

messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by TheCat 13 December, 2019 09:19

Amongst the predictions of doom and gloom. At least the remoaners will finally STFU.....

Jokes people.



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messageRe: Who to vote for?
Posted by cella 13 December, 2019 09:31

Loutwo Wrote:
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> Labourís fence sitting on Brexit and abhorrent
> treatment of Jewish opinions, saw me vote Green. I
> changed my mind in the polling station btw.
>
> So after 10 years of Tory rule, the people of this
> country could not trust the opposition. Says it
> all, and there will be plenty like myself who made
> the same judgment call.
>
> No doubt the urban champagne socialists will be
> cupping their ears and blaming the result on
> Brexit and not on a unpopular Marxist leader.
> Londonís bubble is just a out of touch echo
> chamber. Not fit for purpose.
>
> Louisa.


The fact that you've changed your mind/views several times and then made a snap decision whilst actually in the booth tells us much about the reliability and robustness of your decision making.

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