Re: Who to vote for?
Posted by Blah Blah
November 28, 06:21AM
I have to agree. The very idea that Corbyn is some kind of carer driven ideologue is pure fantasy.
In reply to Rockets;
Everyone seems to forget where the bulk of the Labour PLP sits. They are very quiet at the moment but they are by no means Corbynistas. No-one thinks Corbyn will win a majority in the election. The best that is expected is a coalition, that can get us to a 2nd referendum on Brexit, before another GE. So what Corbyn can actually do in government is going to be very limited.
Corbyn also was not elected by the Unions, he was elected by two thirds of the membership (and twice at that). Maybe learn how the Labour Party actually works before commenting on how leaders are elected?
There is a debate to be had about irresponsible borrowing for sure. But it is also worth remembering that John McDonnell has a record for staying within budgets when he was head of finance at the GLA. Much of that manifesto actually only returns us to the tax and spend of Blair. Corporation Tax for example was higher under Thatcher, much higher. Yes the difference is the level of borrowing, so let's have a detailed debate around that, based on pure economics, over some vague dismissal of both the need for that kind of investment and how it is paid for.
On the NHS, Corbyn is absolutely right to push the evidence for pharma being on the table in any US trade deal. You would have to be completely stupid to think the US won't push for this, and even stupider to think a government desperate for a trade deal won't cave in to something. This is a perfect demonstration of how much more difficult trade negotiations become on our own, as opposed to being part of a large trading block. We were able to remove the NHS from TTIP precisely for that reason. We won't be able to do that so easily on our own, and desperate for a trade deal.
I can however agree that Labour should be doing better, but do not make the mistake of confusing what needs to be addressed (and Labour are right in the need for radical thinking on many of those issues) and the failure of a leadership to set out a credible manifesto that can offer solutions that persuade an electorate. A Labour led coalition is going to be the best outcome from a pretty dire political offering this time round (for many reasons) I think.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit was november 28, 06:24am by Blah Blah.