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messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by DulwichFox March 16, 05:31PM

All pubs clubs cafes restaurants theatres etc are to close down from tonight in uk.

No social contacts are allowed in uk from tonight, by law ! #coronavirus #coronavirusoutbreak

From Midnight tonight. ??

Conflicting news from the BBC now saying pubs NOT Forced to close but people should avoid.



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messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by DulwichFox March 16, 05:42PM

Twitter Cecilia Bartholomew

From now on you leave your homes at your own peril-
If you do not have govt permission to be outdoors you must stay in your houses.

The govt may arrest and detain you if you disobey these new laws! #coronavirus #coronavirusoutbreak

Is this for real.. ??

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by diable rouge March 16, 05:47PM

Sephiroth Wrote:
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> ah good - I just kept reading how many people
> couldn't get any slot for a month and wondered if
> that was widespread

It must depend on the area and provider, this morning I managed to book Ocado for 10 days time, I had to wait in a virtual queue for over half an hour just to get on the site, then later there were problems getting the payment to clear...

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by TheCat March 16, 05:58PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> All pubs clubs cafes restaurants theatres etc are
> to close down from tonight in uk.
>
> No social contacts are allowed in uk from
> tonight, by law ! #coronavirus
> #coronavirusoutbreak
>
> From Midnight tonight. ??
>
> Conflicting news from the BBC now saying pubs NOT
> Forced to close but people should avoid.



Just watched the downing Street press conference....the govt is 'recommending' people don't got to clubs, pubs, theatres etc.....they are not forcing shutdown.

Although this advice will no doubt have the effect of forcing closure of many venues....

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by Sephiroth March 16, 06:08PM

bit more about "Cecilia Bartholemew" here

[twitter.com]

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by Sephiroth March 16, 06:12PM

mad that I accused Foxy of getting his info from mental online groups and he got huffy about it because I happened to say facebook - here is posting Cecilia bleedin Bartholemew

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by JohnL March 16, 06:21PM

This is the quote - I'll check how many drunk students are out tonight (from my balcony) smiling smiley

"Now is the time for everyone to stop non-essential contact with others and to stop all unnecessary travel. We need people to start working from home where they possibly can. And you should avoid pubs, clubs, theatres and other such social venues."

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by pk March 16, 06:37PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> Twitter Cecilia Bartholomew
>
> From now on you leave your homes at your own
> peril-
> If you do not have govt permission to be outdoors
> you must stay in your houses.
>
> The govt may arrest and detain you if you disobey
> these new laws! #coronavirus #coronavirusoutbreak
>
> Is this for real.. ??

Iíve asked before without an answer, but Iíll ask again:

Why donít you use the internet to establish facts rather than peddle BS?

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by TheCat March 16, 06:59PM

Looks like a tough period coming up for local pubs and restaurants (and their employees). I'm assuming that those local restaurants which source larger portion of turnover through delivery services like ubereats and deliveroo (as opposed to relying on in-house diners) will be the ones that are most likely to remain open....

Guessing that's probably going to be pizza places, curry joints and Chinese restaurant?....but that's based on nothing more that my own speculation!



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messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by Sue March 16, 07:28PM

Sephiroth Wrote:
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> bit more about "Cecilia Bartholemew" here
>
> [twitter.com]
> 61600?lang=en

A really reliable source, then big grin

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by DulwichFox March 16, 07:38PM

pk Wrote:
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> DulwichFox Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Twitter Cecilia Bartholomew
> >
> > From now on you leave your homes at your own
> > peril-
> > If you do not have govt permission to be
> outdoors
> > you must stay in your houses.
> >
> > The govt may arrest and detain you if you
> disobey
> > these new laws! #coronavirus
> #coronavirusoutbreak
> >
> > Is this for real.. ??
>
> Iíve asked before without an answer, but Iíll ask
> again:
>
> Why donít you use the internet to establish facts
> rather than peddle BS?

I am not saying for one minute I agree with what this person is saying.

I have Never heard of Cecilia Bartholomew. I still haven't bothered to find out who she is.

That's why I added "Is this for Real"

I'm off to the EDT.... after Corrie and Deadenders.. see yer there .

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by Sue March 16, 07:48PM

Probably my stupidity, but I have not been able to find any predictions as to how long this situation is likely to last. If anything reliable is available, of course.

We had already cancelled/postponed our next two upcoming gigs, and will cancel the May ones, but I'm wondering for how long to "wait and see" for June or just to cancel/postpone them now.

The Autumn ones can wait until we see how the situation is over the summer.

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by Sue March 16, 07:52PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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>
> I'm off to the EDT.... after Corrie and
> Deadenders.. see yer there .


Good to see you pay such close attention to government advice about avoiding pubs then, especially as you are in a high risk group.

Or are you joking?

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by pk March 16, 07:58PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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>
>
> I am not saying for one minute I agree with what
> this person is saying.
>
> I have Never heard of Cecilia Bartholomew. I still
> haven't bothered to find out who she is.
>
> That's why I added "Is this for Real"
>
> I'm off to the EDT.... after Corrie and
> Deadenders.. see yer there .

Iím genuinely interested as to how you come across this sort of stuff but not information from any credible source?

I wonít be going to the pub, thanks, i understand itís been advised against for the benefit of others

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by Sephiroth March 16, 08:05PM

Well we know he doesnít get it from Facebook!

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by gromit3:16 March 16, 10:49PM

this non stop media coverage is too much, people are going to be having panic and heart attacks because of it.

I've had to switch off lbc as it is non stop coverage of what is or is not going to happen.
it's getting too much now.

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by gromit3:16 March 16, 10:50PM

how did idris elba get tested so quickly when he isn't even hospitalised or showing any symptoms?

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by pk March 16, 11:44PM

gromit3:16 Wrote:
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> how did idris elba get tested so quickly when he
> isn't even hospitalised or showing any symptoms?

Privately, Iíd guess

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by TheCat March 17, 08:07AM

gromit3:16 Wrote:
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> this non stop media coverage is too much, people
> are going to be having panic and heart attacks
> because of it.
>
> I've had to switch off lbc as it is non stop
> coverage of what is or is not going to happen.
> it's getting too much now.

Agree with this. It's obviously a serious issue, which needs due attention, but it's non-stop
(And almost exclusively covid-19 news) from most media outlets.

With all the 'social distancing' going on, people are seeing other people increasing less, living in a bit of a bubble and working themselves into a lather with the news being their major window to the outside world....

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by JohnL March 17, 08:21AM

gromit3:16 Wrote:
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> this non stop media coverage is too much, people
> are going to be having panic and heart attacks
> because of it.
>
> I've had to switch off lbc as it is non stop
> coverage of what is or is not going to happen.
> it's getting too much now.

Netflix has no coverage smiling smiley

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by ianr March 17, 11:13AM

The Commons Health and Social Care Select Committee has a session of inquiry into "Preparations for Coronavirus" this afternoon that may be of interest. Starts at 13:45 according to [committees.parliament.uk], though the [parliamentlive.tv] channel, at which it can be caught live or in recording, says 14:00, which I think is more likely. A written transcript usually turns up shortly thereafter. I suspect I'll find it a lot more interesting and less stressing than this, fairly typical, forum thread.

I'm continuing to update, at the top of page 6, the daily counts of confirmed cases in Southwark, as issued at [www.bbc.co.uk]. It's now at 33. I wonder if some of the variability in the apparent rate of increase (latest counts: 11, 13, 28, 33) could be due as much to the way cases reach official awareness as to the real-world incidence, which is likely to be higher, perhaps much higher. I trust that there are various stratagems in operation, such as GP surgery reports or random population sampling, to get ongoing true estimates of the numbers actually infected.

Can anyone recommend any other public fora, newsgroups, mailing lists, blogs,etc where there's any fairly expert discussion of the issues and science? I'm feeling nostalgia for the days of Usenet, etc.

Despite being over 70, the idea of getting infected early and over with, and becoming a free and potentially useful agent again, is a tempting one.



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messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by malumbu March 17, 12:30PM

I was involved in both planning for Sars and Avian Flu. The measures go well beyond what we considered likely at those respective times - but (a) what is going on in the continent will influence our response (b) the world has moved on since my time with the ease of home working (c) this is a different beast in terms of transmission and health impacts.

It is reassuring that we are still taking an evidence with the experts full involvement, that this is a collective decision, and that somehow they've got Bojo to show gravitas and speak plainly/succinctly. This was a strength in most PMs in history.

Select Committee's are always interesting and history will judge.

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by DulwichFox March 17, 02:00PM

Sue Wrote:
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> DulwichFox Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> ---
> >
> > I'm off to the EDT.... after Corrie and
> > Deadenders.. see yer there .
>
>
> Good to see you pay such close attention to
> government advice about avoiding pubs then,
> especially as you are in a high risk group.
>
> Or are you joking?

If the Government were that concerned about people going to the Pub they would make pubs close.
But they make Millions from Duty and VAT on alcohol sales

Like if they were concerned about Tobacco they would ban it.
But they make Millions from Duty and VAT on Tobacco sales

and if they were concerned about pollution from cars in central London they would ban cars from the area.
But they make Millions from Duty and VAT on petrol sales and the Congestion Charge and The ULEZ charges..

I did go to the EDT to find out the current situation.
The EDT was quieter than usual but has NO intention at this time to be closing its doors.

Most of the Restaurants seemed empty. 21.00

Foxy.

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by snowy March 17, 02:14PM

No Foxy, if they forced pubs to close they would be making insurance claims possible. This advisory method introduces the idea of further restrictions to the public and crucially props up the economy (for the time being) whilst helpfully protecting the govt from business seeking financial recompense.



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messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by Blah Blah March 17, 02:22PM

DF, the problem for the government is in not sending small business to the wall. In other words, this government still hasn't yet got a full pandemic head on. It is hoping that people will follow advice and reduce the need for more draconian measures. That approach clearly did not work in France however, so some might say it is only a matter of time.

The other thing is that government is also stretched to think of every impact of every decision and find solutions - things are moving so fast. The very idea we can be thinking of trade negotiations with the EU at this time for example, is bonkers. And thank goodness we are still in transition and part of the single market, and able to access all the food and other imports we are going to need over the coming months.

So stop referencing idiotic social media mouthpieces and start understanding the facts. This pandemic (and it IS a pandemic) has the potential to push the world into war levels of debt. The best chance we have of getting through it and getting back to normal, is to slow the spread and buy time, for either a vaccine or combination drug treatments that work to emerge. Understand why, understand that COVID19 is 30 times more lethal than seasonal flu, understand what an 18 percent hospitalisation rate means for the NHS and do your part to help make sure we don't get anywhere near to that worst case scenario.

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by malumbu March 17, 03:02PM

DF the government don't make millions, the government raise money to pay for things that we need in our society. Like the NHS. But on the cynical side if they truly cared about the environment then they would raise fuel duty. Shocking. OK not a covid-19 specific comment.

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by Sue March 17, 03:25PM

ianr Wrote:
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>
> Despite being over 70, the idea of getting
> infected early and over with, and becoming a free
> and potentially useful agent again, is a tempting
> one.


The trouble is ianr, you could be infected early, then over and out rather than over with and carry on.

And in any case, "they" don't have enough info at the moment to know whether you would be permanently immune once you have been infected, or whether the immunity might wear off.

Plus the present form of the virus might mutate. And probably will at some point.

Don't know whether to laugh or cry really smiling smiley

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by ianr March 17, 03:51PM

Dr Phil Hammond's 'MD' article in the 6-19 March edition of Private Eye is still online at [www.private-eye.co.uk] (but liable to be replaced by tomorrow) and I think worth a look. I was reminded of it by one of Malumbu's post earlier.

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by JohnL March 17, 04:37PM

Sue Wrote:
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> ianr Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Despite being over 70, the idea of getting
> > infected early and over with, and becoming a
> free
> > and potentially useful agent again, is a
> tempting
> > one.
>
>
> The trouble is ianr, you could be infected early,
> then over and out rather than over with and carry
> on.
>
> And in any case, "they" don't have enough info at
> the moment to know whether you would be
> permanently immune once you have been infected, or
> whether the immunity might wear off.
>
> Plus the present form of the virus might mutate.
> And probably will at some point.
>
> Don't know whether to laugh or cry really smiling smiley

we don't even know if there is sometimes a delay between the initial and severe phases. Reports in China of patients recovering then falling ill again with worse symptoms.


[www.scmp.com]

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by Sue March 17, 04:45PM

Oh what a cheery thread this is.

I'm off to find some pictures of fluffy kittens somewhere smiling smiley

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