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messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by teddyboy23 March 15, 03:06PM

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit was march 15, 05:50pm by teddyboy23.

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by TE44 March 15, 04:28PM

Thanks Blah Blah, what worries me is a mutation happening artificially through mixing live vaccines. Heres a link regarding flumist (nasal spray)

[www.healio.com]

I do not know the outcome to AstraZenekas tests regarding these mutations, nor can I see what virus gentically mutated. I believe
This to be important news and I also believe parents should be made aware of information, although it may be difficult to understand scientifically, language can be simplified not used as a way to allow companies to hide behind.

Teddyboy23 I find different figures depending on where you look, the stats are also used in a way that can confuse.

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by Alan Medic March 15, 07:37PM

This is important but I don't believe it's common knowledge. I know that two younger people died in France possibly because of this. It's worth being aware of.

The head of infectious disease in Cork University hospital has released a statement to doctors. They have 4 young people in serious condition from COVID19. None have underlying conditions. All were taking non/steroidal anti inflammatory drugs. France has issued a similar advisory. Many Bective players take anti-inflammatories for injuries. They are what I mostly prescribe for rugby related injuries. They include difene, neurofen (ibuprofen) and vimovo. There are many others. All players should stop taking these drugs immediately and not take them for the duration of the COVID19 crisis. There is significant evidence that they exacerbate COVID19.
Dr. Tim

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by dbboy March 15, 07:56PM

Currently and based on published numbers of cases of those infected with the virus vs mortality rate, comparing those rates in UK, France, Spain and Italy, it's between 2% - 7%. Just shows how lethal this virus is

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by Misslayton March 15, 08:46PM

Hello,

I have set up a Covid 19 Mutual Response group for Dulwich. If you think you can offer any help for our community during this difficult time, please post and share.

[m.facebook.com]

Thanks, Clare

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by seenbeen March 15, 08:47PM

Alan Medic Wrote:
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> This is important but I don't believe it's common
> knowledge. I know that two younger people died in
> France possibly because of this. It's worth being
> aware of.
>
> The head of infectious disease in Cork University
> hospital has released a statement to doctors. They
> have 4 young people in serious condition from
> COVID19. None have underlying conditions. All were
> taking non/steroidal anti inflammatory drugs.
> France has issued a similar advisory. Many Bective
> players take anti-inflammatories for injuries.
> They are what I mostly prescribe for rugby related
> injuries. They include difene, neurofen
> (ibuprofen) and vimovo. There are many others. All
> players should stop taking these drugs immediately
> and not take them for the duration of the COVID19
> crisis. There is significant evidence that they
> exacerbate COVID19.
> Dr. Tim
My son and I were talking about this as we know people on all kinds of anti-inflammatories for crohn's and ulcerative colitis and it occurred to me that they all interfere with the immune response, as do steroids. What about people who take 75mg of aspirin daily? Aspirin is also a nsaid.

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by seenbeen March 15, 08:57PM

I'm surprised that the NHS hasn't put out a warning re the effect of alcohol on the immune system
[www.recoveryways.com]

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by DulwichFox March 15, 10:11PM

Over 70's to be forced to Self-Isolate for 4 Months.

How are people who live on their own supposed to get food. ??

I am approaching 70 but get out most days.
I have regular essential hospital appointments . 20 + over the last 2 years.

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by JohnL March 16, 08:16AM

seenbeen Wrote:
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> Alan Medic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This is important but I don't believe it's common
> > knowledge. I know that two younger people died in
> > France possibly because of this. It's worth being
> > aware of.
> >
> > The head of infectious disease in Cork University
> > hospital has released a statement to doctors.
> > They have 4 young people in serious condition from
> > COVID19. None have underlying conditions. All were
> > taking non/steroidal anti inflammatory drugs.
> > France has issued a similar advisory. Many
> > players take anti-inflammatories for injuries.
> > They are what I mostly prescribe for rugby
> > related injuries. They include difene, neurofen
> > (ibuprofen) and vimovo. There are many others.
> > All players should stop taking these drugs
> > immediately and not take them for the duration of the
> > COVID19 crisis. There is significant evidence that
> > they exacerbate COVID19.
> > Dr. Tim
>
> My son and I were talking about this as we know
> people on all kinds of anti-inflammatories for
> crohn's and ulcerative colitis and it occurred to
> me that they all interfere with the immune
> response, as do steroids. What about people who
> take 75mg of aspirin daily? Aspirin is also a
> nsaid.

Cytokine storms are what made Spanish Flu a killer amongst the young and now being identified here - as a "wrong" immune system rather than an over powerful one - and the immune response won't stop.

[www.oregonlive.com]

[inews.co.uk]

Strangely the immune system may need to be suppressed somewhat it seems in these articles.



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messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by JohnL March 16, 08:41AM

Although can't find the link to NSID's only this saying the Cork story isn't true - there is advice in France and Ireland to prefer Paracetamol

[www.thejournal.ie]



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messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by DulwichFox March 16, 01:16PM

Looks like The U.K. got out of Europe at the right time.

Free Movement now very restricted in many countries..

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by seenbeen March 16, 01:26PM

JohnL wrote
'Strangely the immune system may need to be suppressed somewhat it seems in these articles'.

So the drug Tocilizumab prevents the cytokine storms- the '-mab' part means 'monoclonal antibody' and there are various drugs like this and one, 'Infliximab' is used to treat Crohn's and UC. But it works on a different receptor on the cell but prevents a specific chemical in the body from attacking its own cells. Some aspects of the immune system is suppressed in people with auto-immune conditions like rheumatoid arthritis.
Paracetomol reduces pain and fever but is not an anti-inflammatory, the anti-inflammatories interfere with the immune response and you really do need an immune response to deal with an infection

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by pk March 16, 01:52PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> Looks like The U.K. got out of Europe at the right
> time.
>
> Free Movement now very restricted in many
> countries..

Wtf?

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by JohnL March 16, 02:22PM

seenbeen Wrote:
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> JohnL wrote
> 'Strangely the immune system may need to be
> suppressed somewhat it seems in these articles'.
>
> So the drug Tocilizumab prevents the cytokine
> storms- the '-mab' part means 'monoclonal
> antibody' and there are various drugs like this
> and one, 'Infliximab' is used to treat Crohn's and
> UC. But it works on a different receptor on the
> cell but prevents a specific chemical in the body
> from attacking its own cells. Some aspects of the
> immune system is suppressed in people with
> auto-immune conditions like rheumatoid arthritis.
>
> Paracetomol reduces pain and fever but is not an
> anti-inflammatory, the anti-inflammatories
> interfere with the immune response and you really
> do need an immune response to deal with an
> infection

It takes Doctors a while to realise whats going on and how to treat different aspects I guess.

Some of it might appear contradictory to us laymen.

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by fishbiscuits March 16, 02:47PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> I am approaching 70 but get out most days.
> I have regular essential hospital appointments .
> 20 + over the last 2 years.

Well I have a feeling that those hospital appointments may face some interruption...

If you are ill and/or feel you need to self-isolate, and don't have anybody to bring your food and supplies, why not post on here. In fact maybe we could have a dedicated thread, perhaps even pinned to the top of the forum?

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by Angelina March 16, 03:18PM

Ireland - pubs closed on St Patrick's Day and private gatherings banned

That is exceptional

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by DulwichFox March 16, 03:19PM

fishbiscuits Wrote:
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> DulwichFox Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I am approaching 70 but get out most days.
> > I have regular essential hospital appointments
> .
> > 20 + over the last 2 years.
>
Well I have a feeling that those hospital
appointments may face some interruption...

>
> If you are ill and/or feel you need to
> self-isolate, and don't have anybody to bring your
> food and supplies, why not post on here. In fact
> maybe we could have a dedicated thread, perhaps
> even pinned to the top of the forum?

Well the Kings appointment on Thursday 19/3/20 is for a CT Brain Scan for Possible tumour. Not cancelled as if yet.
Appointment on Friday 20/3/10 at Dulwich Medical Center cancelled to be replaced with a Telephone Appointment.

DMC are not currently doing ANY Face to Face appointments.

Foxy

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by rahrahrah March 16, 03:32PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> Looks like The U.K. got out of Europe at the right
> time.
>
> Free Movement now very restricted in many
> countries..

What does this mean exactly?

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by ED Bird March 16, 03:39PM

We have a spreadsheet, with a list of volunteers {{covering all streets within Goose Green}} you can view via a link in our whatsapp group: [chat.whatsapp.com]. If you are elderly, vulnerable, self-isolating & in need of support, you can edit the spreadsheet to add your name, details & how we may be able to help you in the "individuals" section.

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by Sephiroth March 16, 03:47PM

"What does this mean exactly?"

he reads these things on his facebook groups and thinks they are "a truth"

It would be funny if it wasn't people like him getting us into further trouble - imagine looking at the current virus situation and thinking proceeding with brexit was a good idea

Do we want or have time to negitiate any deals? No
Will we need as much cash as possible to deal with this outbreak? Yes
IS that best achieved by maintining trading with our closes and largest partner? Yes?


WIll that penetrate minds of DF and co? No

And thats ignoring the whole fallacy in his post about EU sovereign nations being able to control their borders

Or how leaving the EU helps UK deal with this siutuation in any way

"a good time" - sheesh

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by DulwichFox March 16, 03:53PM

Sephiroth Wrote:
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> "What does this mean exactly?"
>
> he reads these things on his facebook groups and
> thinks they are "a truth"

I do not use Facebook. I do not have a Facebook account so the rest of your Post was irrelevant as most if not all of your very own posts are.

Goodbye

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by Sephiroth March 16, 03:55PM

facebook/whatever

you haven't plucked it out of the thin air

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by pk March 16, 04:11PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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>
> Goodbye


does that mean that you won't becoming back?

fingers crossed!

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by Sephiroth March 16, 04:13PM

"and good DAY to you too sir!!"

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by se22cat March 16, 04:26PM

The number of people spitting on the streets of ED has always disgusted me, mostly those in their late teens guilty of it. To see it still happening and within a few feet or less of others both on LL and the side roads around Goose Green in the current crisis is just unbelievable.

Image very much related!!!

[i.imgur.com]

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by Sue March 16, 04:44PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> Over 70's to be forced to Self-Isolate for 4
> Months.
>
> How are people who live on their own supposed to
> get food. ??


In case it had escaped your notice, supermarkets deliver to your door big grin

In any case, it has now been said that complete self isolation is not in fact what is being proposed.



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messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by Sephiroth March 16, 04:47PM

"supermarkets deliver to your door"

have you tried booking a slot lately Sue? Not easy...

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by Sue March 16, 04:50PM

Sephiroth Wrote:
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> "supermarkets deliver to your door"
>
> have you tried booking a slot lately Sue? Not
> easy...

Yes I had a delivery a few days back.

There weren't all that many slots available but I had no trouble getting one with a delivery between 9 and 10 pm.

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by Sephiroth March 16, 05:01PM

ah good - I just kept reading how many people couldn't get any slot for a month and wondered if that was widespread

messageRe: Is the corona virus becoming a pandemic
Posted by Sue March 16, 05:11PM

People now being told to avoid all non essential contact with others.

Breaking news.

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