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messageRe: social distancing
Posted by ianr March 22, 08:58PM

se22cat wrote
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> Maybe this might help clear LL of morons...

> [twitter.com]

I think it would be helpful, as always, if you give a short summary or indication of what the link is about. Doubly helpful here, when the link is, at least for me, currently unreachable.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was march 22, 09:01pm by ianr.

messageRe: social distancing
Posted by KidKruger March 22, 10:17PM

It's basically some (what look like) Indian police with their long sticks thrashing culprits who've contravened traffic rules or caught their attention for the wrong reason. Nothing heavy, just a few solid thwacks with their thrashing sticks.

messageRe: social distancing
Posted by JohnL March 23, 09:51AM

KidKruger Wrote:
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> It's basically some (what look like) Indian police
> with their long sticks thrashing culprits who've
> contravened traffic rules or caught their
> attention for the wrong reason. Nothing heavy,
> just a few solid thwacks with their thrashing
> sticks.

They're aiming for the backside of 'offenders' but can't see it happening in LL smiling smiley

messageRe: social distancing
Posted by Sue March 23, 12:28PM

KidKruger Wrote:
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> Is that the new beer in Lidl's ?

>
> callmesean Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>... I am about to start
> Dostoevsky
> > don't cha know !


big grin big grin big grin

messageRe: social distancing (discussion)
Posted by seenbeen March 26, 11:01AM

Maybe these black metal bands could give people some pointers for new apparel to aid social distancing
[www.terrorizer.com]

messageRe: social distancing (discussion)
Posted by seenbeen March 27, 09:02AM

The death toll has jumped again- it's the builders using public transport travelling in from poorer areas- a lot of them are probably paid cash in hand and will have nothing as they are not on any system to receive aid....this is probably why they have NOT been banned from work. What happened at Canning Town during the Extinction Rebellion protests is an indication of where and who they are- we are heading for the worst case scenario I fear

messageRe: social distancing (discussion)
Posted by Sue March 27, 09:45AM

I don't think you can blame a jump in deaths on builders travelling to work!

messageRe: social distancing (discussion)attachment
Posted by seenbeen March 27, 10:46AM

here is the postwoman telling them also- I told one of them to distance himself and he laughed at me

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messageRe: social distancing (discussion)
Posted by seenbeen March 27, 10:48AM

Sue Wrote:
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> I don't think you can blame a jump in deaths on
> builders travelling to work!

Are you for real...

messageRe: social distancing (discussion)
Posted by teddyboy23 March 27, 01:05PM

Lordship lane camberwell green heaving again.surely a complete lockdown is coming

messageRe: social distancing (discussion)
Posted by JohnL March 27, 01:08PM

Boris and Matt Hancock self isolating

Maybe the whole cabinet has it

messageRe: social distancing (discussion)
Posted by JohnL March 27, 01:10PM

seenbeen Wrote:
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> The death toll has jumped again- it's the builders
> using public transport travelling in from poorer
> areas- a lot of them are probably paid cash in
> hand and will have nothing as they are not on any
> system to receive aid....this is probably why they
> have NOT been banned from work. What happened at
> Canning Town during the Extinction Rebellion
> protests is an indication of where and who they
> are- we are heading for the worst case scenario I
> fear

I think there's maybe a 30% chance millions of us have it (I wouldn't be surprised).

Still have no idea how long it lingers, if you gain immunity, if it can return, how long it takes to recover and what the symptoms of the dangerous part of the disease are and when they could come (I heard day 12 previously)

messageRe: social distancing (discussion)
Posted by diable rouge March 27, 01:42PM

Day 12 of what John, the incubation period or the infected period?...

messageRe: social distancing (discussion)
Posted by ianr March 27, 01:58PM

JohnL wrote:
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> Still have no idea how long it lingers,
> if you gain immunity, if it can return,
> how long it takes to recover and what
> the symptoms of the dangerous part of
> the disease are and when they could
> come (I heard day 12 previously)

Have you read the paper you linked to at [www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk]? smiling smiley There are some nicely digestible tables and graphics even if you you don't want plough through it all, which cover some of your items. Near the bottom of the HTML page there's a link to a PDF download, which I find a lot easier to handle. There may well be other papers now. One of the presenters on BBC Inside Science this week reckoned, I'm not sure whether half-jokingly, that there about forty a day emerging at the moment. That edition covers quite a few listeners' questions, and talks to several researchers. Well worth a listen I think. Hearable and downloadable at [www.bbc.co.uk]. Actually I see that the downloadable podcast is fifty percent longer than the 28 minute off-air recording I have, so I'm getting that too.

messageRe: social distancing (discussion)
Posted by seenbeen March 27, 02:14PM

JohnL wrote "I think there's maybe a 30% chance millions of us have it (I wouldn't be surprised)."

Yes you are probably right but the problem is that if the 30% go around willy-nilly infecting people then some vulnerable people will get very sick and end up in hospital on ventilators, key workers get sick and cannot do their jobs- the NHS collapses (after all covid sufferers are not the ONLY sick people), law and order may collapse, food and medicines cannot be supplied - hence the need to social distance and prevent unnecessary travel and contact- travel passes need to be issued to essential workers

messageRe: social distancing (discussion)
Posted by pk March 27, 02:25PM

seenbeen Wrote:
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> JohnL wrote "I think there's maybe a 30% chance
> millions of us have it (I wouldn't be
> surprised)."
>
> Yes you are probably right but the problem is that
> if the 30% go around willy-nilly infecting people
> then some vulnerable people will get very sick
> and end up in hospital on ventilators, key
> workers get sick and cannot do their jobs- the
> NHS collapses (after all covid sufferers are not
> the ONLY sick people), law and order may collapse,
> food and medicines cannot be supplied - hence the
> need to social distance and prevent unnecessary
> travel and contact- travel passes need to be
> issued to essential workers


One of you is saying that thereís a 30% chance Ďmillions have ití

One of you seems to be saying probably 30% of people have it

But do either of you have any basis for saying either of those things?

messageRe: social distancing (discussion)
Posted by dbboy March 27, 02:36PM

From : [www.gov.uk]

"Number of cases

As of 9am on 27 March 2020, a total of 113,777 people have been tested, of which 99,198 were confirmed negative and 14,579 were confirmed positive.

As of 5pm on 26 March 2020, 759 patients in the UK who tested positive for coronavirus (COVID-19) have died.

The figures for test results and for deaths are compiled from different sources. This is why the figures for deaths are reported from an earlier point in time than the figures for test results."

messageRe: social distancing (discussion)
Posted by JohnL March 27, 02:52PM

pk Wrote:
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> seenbeen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > JohnL wrote "I think there's maybe a 30% chance
> > millions of us have it (I wouldn't be
> > surprised)."
> >
> > Yes you are probably right but the problem is
> that
> > if the 30% go around willy-nilly infecting
> people
> > then some vulnerable people will get very sick
> > and end up in hospital on ventilators, key
> > workers get sick and cannot do their jobs- the
> > NHS collapses (after all covid sufferers are
> not
> > the ONLY sick people), law and order may
> collapse,
> > food and medicines cannot be supplied - hence
> the
> > need to social distance and prevent unnecessary
> > travel and contact- travel passes need to be
> > issued to essential workers
>
>
> One of you is saying that thereís a 30% chance
> Ďmillions have ití
>
> One of you seems to be saying probably 30% of
> people have it
>
> But do either of you have any basis for saying
> either of those things?

No - just my gut feeling from all the info you get on TV.

messageRe: social distancing (discussion)
Posted by pk March 27, 03:01PM

Yeah gut feel is all you can go with I suppose (applying what little fact there is)

On gut feel, Iíd say itís very likely that millions of people have contracted the virus, maybe many millions

As to percentage of population, Iíve no idea

Scarily literally nobody knows, but whatís going on at excel def says that things could get really bad

messageRe: social distancing (discussion)
Posted by dbboy March 27, 04:00PM

Look at Italy which we are told we are 2 - 3 weeks behind and which they expect to be the expected peak of the virus so far. it is very scary and I doubt we've seen anything yet in comparison to what is to come.

Take a look at the Govt figures I posted earlier today above. The Govt are being very cagey with on when the figures are released and based on yesterday's and today's figures, the mortality rate from the virus is 5.22% and rising on a daily basis.

messageRe: social distancing (discussion)
Posted by JohnL March 27, 04:21PM

Chief Medical Officer is down now - along with Boris and Matt Hancock

and Dom Cummings was seen running out of No10.



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messageRe: social distancing (discussion)
Posted by cactus March 27, 05:04PM

I fear that young people are still not doing their bit ...
Three young lads sat on the Rye yesterday sharing a joint, six older looking teenagers hanging around the basketball courts at the bottom of Alleyn's playing fields today. Doubt they're all from the same household.
I imagine parents telling them to stay home, and they just sneak out anyway when backs are turned.

messageRe: social distancing (discussion)
Posted by JohnL March 27, 05:47PM

cactus Wrote:
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> I fear that young people are still not doing their
> bit ...
> Three young lads sat on the Rye yesterday sharing
> a joint, six older looking teenagers hanging
> around the basketball courts at the bottom of
> Alleyn's playing fields today. Doubt they're all
> from the same household.
> I imagine parents telling them to stay home, and
> they just sneak out anyway when backs are turned.

this is just what the police are looking to move on (to home) I thought.

messageRe: social distancing (discussion)
Posted by Renata Hamvas March 27, 06:19PM

Are any cafes in Southwark parks/open spaces open? They shouldn't be.

messageRe: social distancing (discussion)
Posted by seenbeen March 27, 07:04PM

pk Wrote:
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> seenbeen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > JohnL wrote "I think there's maybe a 30% chance
> > millions of us have it (I wouldn't be
> > surprised)."
> >
> > Yes you are probably right but the problem is
> that
> > if the 30% go around willy-nilly infecting
> people
> > then some vulnerable people will get very sick
> > and end up in hospital on ventilators, key
> > workers get sick and cannot do their jobs- the
> > NHS collapses (after all covid sufferers are
> not
> > the ONLY sick people), law and order may
> collapse,
> > food and medicines cannot be supplied - hence
> the
> > need to social distance and prevent unnecessary
> > travel and contact- travel passes need to be
> > issued to essential workers
>
>
> One of you is saying that thereís a 30% chance
> Ďmillions have ití
>
> One of you seems to be saying probably 30% of
> people have it
>
> But do either of you have any basis for saying
> either of those things?
Doesn't matter....it is symptom-less but infectious for up to 2 weeks so...the important thing is to realise that the spread is exponential as these graphs from the DM show and that we are 2-3 weeks behind Italy...and if people continue to spread it.....

[www.dailymail.co.uk]

messageRe: social distancing (discussion)
Posted by Sue March 28, 10:52AM

seenbeen Wrote:
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> Sue Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I don't think you can blame a jump in deaths on
> > builders travelling to work!


>
> Are you for real...



Yes. What do you mean?

I'm suggesting there are many other factors involved than builders travelling to work.

Unless you have statistics to prove otherwise?

I'm not saying they should be doing this. I have already criticised builders talking in close proximity, in a previous post on here.

I'm just not convinced they can be solely blamed for a jump in deaths.

Many people have posted on here about runners passing too close, and people not keeping their distance in shops, for example.

messageRe: social distancing (discussion)
Posted by tasha1 March 28, 12:09PM

I cannot begin to describe the pain my family are going through right now. Iíve spent the last 3 days in Lewisham hospital watching my 78 year old mother die from Covid 19. Itís a horrendous death and Iím lucky in that the ward staff are allowing me to be with her. No other family members are allowed. The ward sheís on is full of Covid 19 patients. I over hear discussions about ITU beds being required but there are none, meaning many patients who may have previously been ventilated have only end of life care available. Yes, many patients are elderly but there are younger patients too. My mother is quite frail as she has Alzheimerís but she was physically fit until last Saturday. I was isolating from her to protect her and the only place she really went to was a grocery shop and walks in the park.

Please please please adhere to the need to self isolate and if you do need to go out, then the 2 metre rule. If I can stop one family having to go through this by sharing this message, then itís been worthwhile to share my distress at losing my beautiful mum

messageRe: social distancing (discussion)
Posted by dbboy March 28, 12:48PM

I am so sorry to hear the horrendous story that you have so bravely told. Be strong.

messageRe: social distancing (discussion)
Posted by Peckhamgatecrasher March 28, 02:19PM

So sorry for your loss, tasha.

messageRe: social distancing (discussion)
Posted by teddyboy23 March 28, 03:40PM

Same as above tasha

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