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messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by uncleglen June 23, 08:05PM

Alan Medic Wrote:
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> Seems like a lot of the right wing lot have joined
> parler. An American platform set up by Trump
> supporters from what I read.

yes- many of them have been actually banned from Twitter....
She explained why she was banned on Sky news Australia (very different from the lying hostile claptrap on Sky news UK incidentally) and it was ridiculous

messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by Blah Blah June 23, 08:26PM

Katie Hopkins never sees anything wrong in the race baiting bile she posts though. So any explanation she offers is bs quite frankly.

messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by wordsworth June 23, 09:38PM

Can we just stop talking about this vile person.

messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by Sephiroth June 23, 09:55PM

As long as he keeps posting on here how can we stop talking about him?

Oh. You donít mean unc

messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by JohnL June 24, 11:12AM

Sephiroth Wrote:
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> As long as he keeps posting on here how can we
> stop talking about him?
>
> Oh. You donít mean unc

LOL

messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by pk June 24, 11:29AM

Sephiroth Wrote:
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> As long as he keeps posting on here how can we
> stop talking about him?
>
> Oh. You donít mean unc

isn't it best just to ignore him and hope he goes away?

messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by rahrahrah June 24, 12:36PM

I love the fact that people who constantly call others 'snowflakes' have run off to join Parler, because they're upset at people holding different opinions / challenging them. Personally, I feel pretty sorry for Hopkins, she's appears deeply damaged and unhappy to me. Will probably do her some good to be away from Twitter.

messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by uncleglen June 27, 12:25PM

She only got her post deleted...other people get banned which is sometimes why they go to Parler.
[www.thesun.co.uk]

Anyway we all know what you all really think now...there are plenty of intelligent people out there totally rubbishing what the 'mainstream' commie media present.
You can talk about me all you want...
I'll keep posting to keep your little cliquey 'banter' going if I can be bothered, or if there is something I think you ought to know.

messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by KidKruger June 27, 01:12PM

uncle - there's no clique on here purposefully ganging-up on you.
What's actually happening is that individuals are separately commenting on their distaste for your views.
They do this independently, however it's probably the case that one's comment may inform and stimulate another's comments, which would be natural on any forum.
But please don't conclude there's a 'clique' out to get you.

You can'y seriously expect to make the comments you do, on a forum where some reasonable people are present, without opposing comments or serious questions being raised in reply.

messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by KidKruger June 27, 01:14PM

..cat calls the dog 'hairy arse'.

pk Wrote:
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> Sephiroth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > As long as he keeps posting on here how can we
> > stop talking about him?
> >
> > Oh. You donít mean unc
>
> isn't it best just to ignore him and hope he goes
> away?

messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by lindylou June 28, 07:28AM

uncleglen Wrote:
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> She only got her post deleted...other people get
> banned which is sometimes why they go to Parler.
> [www.thesun.co.uk]
> ni-backs-academic-tweeted-white-lives-dont-matter/
>
>
> Anyway we all know what you all really think
> now...there are plenty of intelligent people out
> there totally rubbishing what the 'mainstream'
> commie media present.
> You can talk about me all you want...
> I'll keep posting to keep your little cliquey
> 'banter' going if I can be bothered, or if there
> is something I think you ought to know.


Uncleglen. The problem is some people don't like to hear the truth. Go to Parler. It's a breath of fresh air. You can find a hell of a lot of news on there that the MSM are afraid to report on. Looking forward to seeing you on there Uncle.

messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by pk June 28, 09:14AM

KidKruger Wrote:
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> ..cat calls the dog 'hairy arse'.
>
> pk Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Sephiroth Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > As long as he keeps posting on here how can
> we
> > > stop talking about him?
> > >
> > > Oh. You donít mean unc
> >
> > isn't it best just to ignore him and hope he
> goes
> > away?


I know you donít really answer questions because your thinking is so erratic but how does that make any sense?

messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by JohnL June 28, 11:12AM

@Glinner has followed her - transphobic stuff which some would say has been coming for a while.

messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by JohnL June 28, 11:15AM


messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by nxjen June 28, 11:26AM

The new chief executive of Stonewall however ďhas sought to defuse the increasingly toxic row over transgender rights, telling the Observer that her organisation would no longer seek to persuade its critics to accept its views on gender.ď

[www.theguardian.com]

messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by JohnL June 28, 12:46PM

It is a toxic argument - not one you get into without knowing what you are saying.

messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by Effra June 28, 05:30PM

uncleglen Wrote:
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>
>
> Anyway we all know what you all really think
> now...there are plenty of intelligent people out
> there totally rubbishing what the 'mainstream'
> commie media present.
> You can talk about me all you want...
> I'll keep posting to keep your little cliquey
> 'banter' going if I can be bothered, or if there
> is something I think you ought to know.

Don't let them put you off Unc.

These personal attacks are designed to do just that. It's a tactic that activists of a certain persuasion use. This is analysed neatly in this book [books.google.co.uk]

This and any forum would be diminished if it only contained the views of a minority of blinkered bully boys.



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messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by Blah Blah June 28, 10:16PM

And that is the usual diatribe of those on the political fringes of opinion Effra. Instead of asking why their views are so offensive, they sneer at those correctly pointing out the offense. Bigotry will always be shunned by the mainstream for good reason. Racism, xenophobia, etc for the same reasons. Encouraging a bigot like Uncle to 'sock it to them' is everything that is wrong with the world.

messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by KidKruger June 28, 10:54PM

This kind of junk which people spout, just naturally assuming they can talk like that and other people will simply nod and agree, itís so depressing.
This country can hardly progress out of the knuckledragging swamp because of exactly this.
How many generations will it take to kill-off these types of thinkers ? Too many.

messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by Blah Blah June 29, 04:31AM

People are not allowed to have sensible middle of the road opinion anymore. On the one side, you have right wing bigots (like Uncle) calling anyone who challenges them hard left (nonsense). And then you do have a genuine hard left who are equally intolerant to any criticism of their views. These people are in a minority, but they bark very loudly at the moment, because they are emboldened by populist charlatans that have stolen mainstream parties and found their way to government. This will crash and burn in the same way it always does eventually.

messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by SpringTime June 29, 08:42AM

BlahBlah do you think that the centre has failed? If the mainstream parties were so good then why do we have so much venom (or zest) from the left and right? It can't just be solely due to the rise of social media. Populism exists for a reason and I think the mainstream parties have failed to engage and serve. There's no single party for people like me. I get shouted down all the time by right and left for having angles from both right and left, and struggle to vote for anyone!

messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by JohnL June 29, 09:18AM

SpringTime Wrote:
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> BlahBlah do you think that the centre has failed?
> If the mainstream parties were so good then why do
> we have so much venom (or zest) from the left and
> right? It can't just be solely due to the rise of
> social media. Populism exists for a reason and I
> think the mainstream parties have failed to engage
> and serve. There's no single party for people like
> me. I get shouted down all the time by right and
> left for having angles from both right and left,
> and struggle to vote for anyone!

Yet Blair's big failure was nothing to do with politics and all to do with war (and he came across as enjoying it to some). Cameron's failure was Brexit (oh yes and austerity which we now seem to all agree was not needed).



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messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by JohnL June 29, 09:21AM

Ahh b****r it - Cameron's failures are too numerous to be documented but he still was a better PM than the current one.

messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by Blah Blah June 29, 11:20AM

I don't think the center failed Springtime, I think this is always the pattern after a global financial crash. Even localised recessions open the door to the fringes of the political spectrum, where ideas that belong to the edges begin to seep into the mainstream. These are always crucial times, which at their most anarchic, lead to revolutions, or war.

And the pattern is always the same. As economies struggle, migrants become the first scapegoats. Then comes the attack on foreign trade and a return to protectionism. We are already seeing that. Resurgence of nationalism then comes too which draws out polarised battles between political extremes. It happened in 1906. It happened in 1929. And it has happened in 2008. Take a look at the decade that followed all of those major economic contractions, and the same pattern emerges.

And the Pandemic is about to sink the entire world into a recession. Have a think about what that means. Major unemployment. More refugees and economic migrants desperate to find a better existence, at the very time countries are lifting their drawbridges. Will nations work together to get economies going again, or will it be every nation for herself?

The thing that caused the 2008 crisis is the very same thing that led to the 1929 crisis. It was not the center ground that took us there, but the greed of the libertarian free market. The removal of all the regulations put in place after 1929, in the mad belief that speculators and city traders wouldn't make the same mistakes again! The removal of the Glass Steagall Act by Clinton being the biggest mistake of all. There is a lot wrong with our financial systems. But there is even more wrong with our aversion to regulation.



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messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by pk June 29, 01:25PM

Blah Blah Wrote:
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> you do have a genuine hard left who are equally
> intolerant to any criticism of their views

i'm genuinely curious about who you're talking about here

messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by Blah Blah June 29, 08:02PM

The genuine hard left would be those to subscribe to the ideas around revolutionary communism PK. Anarchists who want to smash the capitalist system and install pure socialism for example, and think achieving that by force if necessary, is a valid position to take. What typifies those on both ends of the political spectrum is the rejection of consensus. Ideologues have no place for that usually.

messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by Effra June 29, 10:05PM

Blah Blah Wrote:
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> I don't think the center failed Springtime, I
> think this is always the pattern after a global
> financial crash. Even localised recessions open
> the door to the fringes of the political spectrum,
> where ideas that belong to the edges begin to seep
> into the mainstream. These are always crucial
> times, which at their most anarchic, lead to
> revolutions, or war.
>
Agreed. One classic example, of course, was the rise of Hitler and National Socialism. The targeted scapegoats then were the Jews.
I wouldn't agree that migrants are the current scapegoats as the current Liberal/Left axis is too influential/vocal in the media - particularly the BBC.

messageRe: Katie Hopkins Gone
Posted by Blah Blah June 29, 10:31PM

But migrants ARE the scapegoat. Brexit was entirely fought on that basis. You can see the same backlash across Europe, in countries like Poland and Hungary, exacerbated by the Syrian War and the refugee crisis born from that. And just as with the rise of Hitler, the collapse of economies raises the notion of anyone considered an outsider, being pushed out of the system.

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