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messageRe: School places offers day tomorrow
Posted by Caroline_S 16 April, 2014 21:43

They have recruited a head teacher and at the last meeting, earlier this month, were in process of recruiting class teaching staff. They are optimistic about moving to permanent site on time but can stay at Harris Girls as long as they need, apparently.

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Posted by Mariamadeit 16 April, 2014 21:59

Yes the new Harris school doesn't have a track record, they don't even have a school yet, but Harris does, the new head said he was keen to get experienced teachers for the school and I think that this is a great opportunity for our children. My husband has just returned from work and we have had chance to discuss and we will be accepting the Harris place, I am really pleased and excited that my son will be part if this.

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Posted by miniko 16 April, 2014 22:00

Here too. I can't believe that we haven't got any offer from our 6 choices and got an offer from miles away too.
We thought it's a joke!!

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Posted by Fly 16 April, 2014 22:19

Got Elm Wood. Not my choice. Anyone know anything about it?

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Posted by theratprincess 16 April, 2014 22:23

So far, we have been impressed by what we have seen of the Harris Free School. We are very seriously considering accepting our offer. If we do accept, we are another set of parents committed to making the most of the school and shaping it for the better.



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Posted by londonher 16 April, 2014 22:30

I never got any offer from my 6 choices we got Dulwich wood. 24th on the waiting list for Goodrich.

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Posted by paddykelly 16 April, 2014 22:31

Hi Renata

We didn't get any of our 6 choices. Our first preference was Ivydale School as this is our nearest school and every child on our road has gone there over the 6 years we've lived in the area. I would be interested to know how many first preferences were rejected by Ivydale? Actually, it would be good to know how many preferences were turned away in total. I would imagine a lot if the open days were anything to go by and the other parents I've spoken with tonight. It does seem grossly unfair that a school which has had 2 years of bulge classes and is set to have more bulge classes next year (and a new campus) should be punishing children who are applying for places this year.

If there are enough numbers is there still a possibility of a bulge class this year or has that been completely ruled out? It seems like a lot of parents are confused and may end up accepting offers to schools for fear of losing out when they would much rather go with their first preferences.

Many thanks
Paddy

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Posted by theratprincess 16 April, 2014 22:43

Renata

Paddy makes a good point regarding the lack of bulge this year at Ivydale, given the plan to expand the school in the long term. I did directly contact you to ask you to raise this with the relevant authorities. You fobbed me off with suggestions that I look at other schools (that I already told you I had looked at).

Did you raise this previously with the relevant authorities? If not, why not? And more importantly, can you please raise it now?

Thanks

messageRe: School places offers day tomorrow
Posted by bubblebob 16 April, 2014 22:44

It would be good to get a list going of the last distances offered at the schools. I'm in limbo as I'm in Lewisham and they didn't bother staying open late tonight. I still can't believe we didn't get into any of our choices, and got Turnham which is a miles away. Off to apply for a place at the Harris free school tomorrow, and anywhere else that might be an improvement.
What a nightmare.

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Posted by GinaG3 16 April, 2014 22:51

Hi all,

Just wanted to post to say try not to worry if you didn't get one of your preferences. Last year we were one of 139 families in Southwark to not get offered one of our preferences. I found the whole process grim and had no hope being between 39-60th on wait lists for schools within walking distance of us. I pestered and pestered Southwark, calling every week for our positions, this only made me more and more anxious about it all. We late applied to another school, further away but an excellent school. 1 week before my daughter broke up for summer holidays we were offered a place at the school and she started with everyone else in September. I couldn't be happier with the decision to reject the school place offered originally and opt to homeschool until another place came up. We didn't need to do this but I would of given the circumstances. My daughter has flourished, she loves her school and I love that she loves it. I just wish I hadn't worried so much and stressed myself out. I know its difficult but hold out and wait and see what happens. The lists move a lot, especially in June/July I found.

Good luck to you all. xxx

messageRe: School places offers day tomorrow
Posted by hpsaucey 16 April, 2014 23:29

theratprincess Wrote:
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> Renata
>
> Paddy makes a good point regarding the lack of
> bulge this year at Ivydale, given the plan to
> expand the school in the long term. I did directly
> contact you to ask you to raise this with the
> relevant authorities. You fobbed me off with
> suggestions that I look at other schools (that I
> already told you I had looked at).
>
> Did you raise this previously with the relevant
> authorities? If not, why not? And more
> importantly, can you please raise it now?
>
> Thanks

Have to say that although I really do empathise (I still remember the Primary application worry) there isn't space for another class at Ivydale as far as we were told and I CAN believe it. The present bulge classes have to be accommodated all the way up the school of course. There is a limit as to how many extra years they can bulge given the physical space there presently ... Each year they do bulge of course raises the number of siblings also likely to be applying. Catch 22 to some extent...


HP

messageRe: School places offers day tomorrow
Posted by Renata Hamvas 17 April, 2014 00:55

Hi Theratprincess and Paddy. Paddy, I've responded to your message on the other forum. Theratprincess,Yes I have discussed Ivydale with council officer, I have also visited the school and spoken to the Head, Helen Ingham a few times. I've had a guided tour of the school buildings with other local councillors. In 2012 the school bulged to provide more school places to the Nunhead/ED area. There was initially no plan to bulge in 2013, this came about due to an exceptional number of siblings. Without the bulge, there would have been no places offered on distance last year. The school is due to expand to 4 form entry in 2016, but this involves using the site on Stuart Road. With the 2 current bulge classes there are already difficulties in serving all the children lunch and having assemblies etc. The playgrounds aren't big either.

I have no idea at the moment what the last place offered distance was for Ivydale, nor how many people put it first. Those offered places there would not necessarily have put it as their first choice, eg they may have put another school first that they are further from. Other schools that may have shorter waiting lists are Turnham (Lewisham, but close to Ivydale), Hollydale close to Nunhead Station and St Francesca Cabrini. I would suggest you contact Southwark admissions and they can let you know your waiting list positions for Ivydale and the other schools you applied for. To add, if you accept a place at another school, you still remain on the waiting list for higher ranked schools from your original CAF application.

Hi Miniko I've responded to your email. Hi bubblebob, thanks for calling me, for any Southwark school you apply for you need to go via Southwark admissions. They will also be able to tell you your place on the waiting list for the Southwark school on your CAF.

Hi Gina, I remember your situation from last year. I'm glad your daughter is happy in her primary.

Renata

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Posted by Growlybear 17 April, 2014 01:09

Bubblebob - I really would think carefully about the offer you have had for Turnham before rejecting it. It is an excellent school with very dedicated and hardworking staff and a lovely atmosphere. Results are very good and a new Executive Headteacher, who is also the Head at Stillness Juniors, will be starting next term. Personally, I would have much preferred to have sent my child there than to a Harris school with no track record opening in temporary accommodation.

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Posted by Mazza6 17 April, 2014 05:54

Hi Fly Elmwood is an excellent school Ofsted outstanding and part of a federation of schools. We visited the school and was totally impressed with the standard and also the general feeling if the school. Are you in West Dulwich? Good luck.

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Posted by paddykelly 17 April, 2014 07:53

I think it's worth pointing out that in 2012 Ivydale's furthest catchment was 1062m and last year in 2013 it was 516m. We are within the 400m range and have not got a place and there are definitely a lot more families in the area than when we first moved. Where can I find out information on how many places were turned away at Ivydale? This seems like a vital piece of information for all those parents currently making decisions about accepting offers to schools they have deliberately not applied for.

On your other point I appreciate that space needs to be accommodated up the line for new classes but surely with a new campus on the horizon that is less of an issue.

I am concerned by the some of the suggestions on this forum that the best option is to either rent or buy near your schools of choice but to be honest that seems to be the only way. Of the 10 nearest schools to us we applied for the 6 in order of preference, clearly I was under the illusion of there being some sort of choice in this matter. The council clearly are operating on the policy of placing children where it suits them rather than responding to the obvious needs that are being expressed on this forum and elsewhere.
Paddy

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Posted by paddykelly 17 April, 2014 08:01

Hi Gina

Many thanks for the note of encouragement and I'm delighted to hear your daughter is doing well in her new school. Not looking forward to the stress though. I have to say and I feel very let down by the whole system.
All the best
Paddy

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Posted by Mariamadeit 17 April, 2014 08:15

Paddykelly I think you would be better to find out how many places were given to siblings and then what the furthest distance was, as ivydale have bulged, last year because of the high number of siblings, it may be the case that there was again a large number of siblings. I think I am right in saying that it doesn't matter whether you put it 1st or 6th, it's done on distance from the front door.

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Posted by hellosailor 17 April, 2014 08:30

Renata when will you be able to let us know the furthest distances for southwark schools this year please?

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Posted by JAJ 17 April, 2014 08:47

Hi All,

We live in a black hole in honor oak and didn't get any of our 6 choices when our son started reception 2 years ago - we were sent miles away. We ended up applying to Francesca Cabrini retrospectively, because it's just up the road from us, and got in on the waiting list (it hadn't originally occured to us to put it down). We're not Catholics, and I realise that faith schools arn't everyones bag. But all I can say is that he's thrived there, and absolutely loves school - the faith element seems to have completely washed over him to date! Our daughter will be starting reception there in September. There are several non Catholics in my sons year (although realise this dynamic might change with the new Harris school). The newly refurbished reception space is lovely too. Despite many assurances from friends that a waiting list place would come up for our son at our chosen school, none have so far ever materialised, except for a school which is a good half hour walk away which we chose to decline having received the offer from Cabrini. As it stands, we've chosen to send our daughter to Cabrini this September - here's hoping she's as happy as he is!



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messageRe: School places offers day tomorrow
Posted by londonher 17 April, 2014 08:48

Anyone else get offered a place at Dulwich wood?

messageRe: School places offers day tomorrow
Posted by hpsaucey 17 April, 2014 09:27

paddykelly Wrote:
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> I think it's worth pointing out that in 2012
> Ivydale's furthest catchment was 1062m and last
> year in 2013 it was 516m. We are within the 400m
> range and have not got a place and there are
> definitely a lot more families in the area than
> when we first moved. Where can I find out
> information on how many places were turned away at
> Ivydale? This seems like a vital piece of
> information for all those parents currently making
> decisions about accepting offers to schools they
> have deliberately not applied for.
>
> On your other point I appreciate that space needs
> to be accommodated up the line for new classes but
> surely with a new campus on the horizon that is
> less of an issue.
>
> I am concerned by the some of the suggestions on
> this forum that the best option is to either rent
> or buy near your schools of choice but to be
> honest that seems to be the only way. Of the 10
> nearest schools to us we applied for the 6 in
> order of preference, clearly I was under the
> illusion of there being some sort of choice in
> this matter. The council clearly are operating on
> the policy of placing children where it suits them
> rather than responding to the obvious needs that
> are being expressed on this forum and elsewhere.
> Paddy

It's such a hard time and I really feel for people going through this now. What would have been the situation WITHOUT the new Harris opening? 'Choice' is an illusion and has been for a long time - getting a place is an achievement! You (not unreasonably) apply to your nearest and hope to get in. After all, the sense of community and friendships are built on going to a school near to where you live. Sadly Ivydale isn't a tardis and has a good few years before any new extra school is up and running. If you had children there you'd know how cramped it now is. There are simply more children needing places as the population grows and a finite number of bulge classes can be added - here or elsewhere.

I remember friends moving to be within the 'catchment' area of a school and I am concerned about this like you are. In fact I'm personally morally against this as they are then 'denying' a place to someone else who can't afford to do likewise!

Really hope you get sorted out and get a place. It's probably not any consolation at the minute when you're going through it but usually children end up at schools they're happy in. Boy, for parents, however, its can be an agonising process getting there...GinaG3's post is spot on.

HP

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Posted by bubblebob 17 April, 2014 09:51

So for anyone wanting some distances
Horniman School - 315.78
Fairlawn - 345.11
Elliot bank - 322.82

Sadly we have missed out by 60m from Horniman and by 90 from fairlawn.

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Posted by Growlybear 17 April, 2014 12:30

Bubblebob - I really do think it would be a good idea for you to visit Turnham when the schools go back next week. I really do think you will be pleasantly surprised.

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Posted by Yvi 17 April, 2014 13:26

We also did not get any of our choices... Unbelivablly, as at least for a couple of them I really thought we should get in!

Been offered a school I never heard of, St Mary Magdalene CE Primary School in Peckham. Anybody any opinions? I will appeal, but meanehile, I will take a place at the new Harris Free School - though obviously as a new school they have no record on their performance, I have a feeling that this will be a brilliant oppurtunity, and perhaps exactly because it is a new school, there will be an extra effort made to be up to standard and above! I didn't apply inicially because of the fact that they had no building, at the time not even an allocated site. Anyway, perhaps not having gotten a place in any of my choice schools will prove a blessing in disguise?

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Posted by bluesuperted 17 April, 2014 13:35

Yvi - I may be about a year out of date but have heard that St Mary Magdalene's is a really, really good school, I used to live nearby but not close enough to get in but knew two totally separate parents who raved about it and said it's very small and nurturing. I would definitely look into it before making your final decision, I'm very surprised you would have been offered it but maybe things have changed or they are taking a bulge - I always thought it was only one form entry... Just a thought!

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Posted by Honoroaky 17 April, 2014 14:04

We got St Mary magdalen too and had never heard of it. Certainly didn't visit it along with all others just beyond the nearest 6. The ofsted report from 2009 says it's outstanding but can't find more up to date information. Think we'll probably still go with Harris as it's nearer to us (for now).

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Posted by Renata Hamvas 17 April, 2014 15:12

Hi Paddy, Fairlawn, Heber and DKH have all had years of sub-400 metre last place distances, the latter two, sub-300 metres, so this is not that unusual. You mention that you applied to 6 out of your 10 closest schools. I would suspect that you would be far out of last place distances for those of the 10 furthest from you. I would suggest you add your child to the waiting list to those you missed from the list of 10 closest, as a closer back-up than the allocated school. You will of course remain on the waiting list for all your original schools. I think just over half of the places at Ivydale went to siblings this year (this isn't unusual for a 2 form entry primary)a level that, so nothing like the 55 siblings there were last year.

The 60 places at Harris ED were in the pupil planning for the area, without this school this year it is likely that two established primaries in the ED area would have bulged instead. With the independent application process for Harris this year the level of reallocation of places is likely to be higher than usual.

Hello sailor, I don't have this information yet, once I do I'll post it here.
Renata

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Posted by bubblebob 17 April, 2014 15:14

I will visit Turnham. And we are considering it, I just think that it's sad that aware within walking distance of so many schools and will have to drive!
We are no. 9 on the waiting list for Goodrich which is better than I would have thought and will see what the second round throws at us.

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Posted by peggoula 17 April, 2014 17:36

We got none of our 6 either and again we have a place in Harris which we are going for. I am confused how distances are calculated, we seem to be a lot further on the waiting list than a house 4 doors down (on crystal palace road) and even a house on lordship lane. I wonder how maps work and if you can contest your waiting list position (we are 8th on Heber but I am not that hopeful.)
Any info how this whole thing works is very much appreciated so please PM me.
Thanks in advance, Peggy

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Posted by buggie 17 April, 2014 18:30

Find it interesting (looking on mumsnet at threads on primary allocation) that lots of areas prioritise in catchment children over out of catchment siblings - wonder how much of a difference this would make to catchment areas.

Paddy - I'm v curious as to where you are (not expecting you to say on forum) as I'm approx 350m from Ivydale & will be applying for next yr which will be 2yr post bulge & a year pre 4 form entry coming in.

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