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messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by Scruffy Mummy April 02, 08:27AM

There are three very good secondary schools in the area which aren't over-subscribed I believe - that's Harris Girls East Dulwich, Harris Boys Peckham Rye and St Thomas the Apostle College (which is an outstanding school - boys only) . All have really good Ofsted reports and both seem to be growing in popularlity. Obv not everyone's first choice is a single sex school but they are good schools. I really thought St Thomas was exceptional and at least 50% of their school population isn't Catholic. If you really don't want single sex or religous schools, Deptford Green is a mixed school is just outside the area but if you are the Peckham Rye side of ED it's not to difficult to get to - again gaining in popularity. I do think everyone can get into a reasonably good secondary school - but not everyone can get into the most desirable secondary schools but ironically, the most desireable aren't neccessarily the 'best' in terms of education or even for your child.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was april 02, 08:29am by Scruffy Mummy.

messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by kristymac1 April 02, 10:04AM

Scruffy Mummy Wrote:
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> There are three very good secondary schools in the
> area which aren't over-subscribed I believe -
> that's Harris Girls East Dulwich, Harris Boys
> Peckham Rye and St Thomas the Apostle College
> (which is an outstanding school - boys only)

Harris Girls and Harris Boys are also 'outstanding' schools. I believe Harris Girls is oversubscribed this year.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was april 02, 10:05am by kristymac1.

messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by muccimagic April 02, 08:05PM

James Barber Wrote:
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> I suspect that lack of simplicity is just another
> way of selection - selection of parents who are
> likely to ensure their children do their homework,
> turn up on time, etc.

James Barber, sadly I believe this very true. If you had the misfortune to navigate the special needs education system, you would see further confirmation of this hidden selection process.Something which does not sit comfortably with me either, as a mother and as a professional.

messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by Gubodge April 03, 01:27PM

If Kingsdale were to apply a distance criteria then it certainly wouldn’t benefit ED kids. Gypsy Hill, Crystal Palace and West Norwood are all closer, and that’s where the majority of the pupils come from now. The fact that those areas aren’t Southwark is academic. To my knowledge no London secondary schools prioritise in-borough applications and that is as it should be.

messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by Elfy April 03, 01:43PM

We live pretty close to Kingsdale (walking distance) and we are not in Southwark. This year out of an intake of 90 at my son's primary school, less than 10 got into Kingsdale of which some are siblings. So I'm not sure they are taking kids who live closer... I suspect the intake has gone down massively as there was a bulge class in previous years, and now there are loads of siblings.

messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by hpsaucey April 03, 06:41PM

muccimagic Wrote:
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> James Barber Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I suspect that lack of simplicity is just
> another
> > way of selection - selection of parents who are
> > likely to ensure their children do their
> homework,
> > turn up on time, etc.
>
> James Barber, sadly I believe this very true. If
> you had the misfortune to navigate the special
> needs education system, you would see further
> confirmation of this hidden selection
> process.Something which does not sit comfortably
> with me either, as a mother and as a professional.

Absolutely agree!
HP

messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by Gubodge April 04, 01:41PM

I think you’re right, Elfy. Years 8 and 9 are both bulges (I’m not sure whether 7 was as well) so there will have been a very large number of siblings coming through this year. It’d be interesting to see what the stats are.

messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by Katiesa May 01, 06:29PM

If I'm not too late to this post can I ask if anyone knows wgat the catchment distance was this year for the new charter?
Thank you

messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by Katiesa May 01, 06:32PM

P.s Also is there an app or a way of working out the distance on a map. We are the small Sainsburys end of Lordship Lane

messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by Monkey May 03, 08:32AM

I think the furthest place allocated on distance for Charter ED last year was 1.3km. To see how far you are, use Google Maps.

On another note, i’d be interested to hear of people getting places at Sydenham School from the waiting list and how far they are from the school, just for anecdotal information.

messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by Scrummymummy May 03, 01:57PM

Hi Katiesa,

This is a good site to use to plot -[www.daftlogic.com]

I just calculated it's just under 1.2km from Sainsbury's Local to Jarvis Road.

However your place on the waiting list should also give you an indication.

We are passed Sainsbury's further south and 153 on the waiting list, so basically no chance.

It could be the catchment has shrunk this year.

messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by Oscar38 May 03, 05:01PM

on a quick note, I asked the Dulwich Hill Councilor on Saturday at the CPZ meeting, what the Council is looking to do, to address this issue of a 'black hole' for secondary schools in the Dulwich Hill ward. "nothing" was the response!

I did ask, why the Council could not negotiate with the local schools, Charter North, East and Harris ED. to remove the distance criteria and give local secondary school intake children, a chance at attending a local school. Or get the local schools to prioritize our children on the list of siblings and special needs, as we are clearly disadvantaged by not having a fair chance at a local school and having to commute 3km - 8km to Secondary school that has available space. But he claims that the Council while it assist schools with a bit of funding, they have no control over how the local schools are run and blame the Government. I guess its all about that 'List' then!

messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by Monkey May 03, 06:02PM

Been trying to engage councillors on the issue by email and no answer. Dunno why I voted for them now...

messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by BellendenBear May 05, 08:48PM

Charter ED furthest distance offer was 954m this year.

messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by sarvester May 05, 11:46PM

Thank for that info, do you think that distance was on offer day or after that Bellendenbear?

messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by Katiesa May 06, 09:23AM

Thanks everyone. Do you know what the furthest distance was this year for North Dulwich Charter?

messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by Oscar38 May 07, 03:12AM

How has seen the SouthLondon Press report... online!
"Southwark’s primary schools overcapacity by eight pupils and secondary schools overcapacity by 615 pupils, which means even more are learning in crowded classrooms".

messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by kristymac1 May 07, 11:57AM

sarvester Wrote:
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> Thank for that info, do you think that distance
> was on offer day or after that Bellendenbear?


It's very likely to be on offer day. There is another stat that comes out at the time the schools start in September I think

messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by tomskip May 07, 12:45PM

954m for Charter ED? that excludes an awful lot of SE22 then (as predicted).

messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by BellendenBear May 07, 01:15PM

I sent an email over Easter holidays and received reply on April 23rd saying that “so far“ the furthest distance was 954m. I assume that was the same as on offer day.

messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by Katiesa May 07, 02:31PM

Anyone know Charter North or Harris Boys Peckham rye?

messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by Katiesa May 07, 02:32PM

As well as North chsrter does anyone know Harris Boys Peckham rye as well?

messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019attachment
Posted by Sunglasses May 08, 09:28PM

Charter North was 892m as at 23/04/2019 - according to a FOI request on Whatdotheyknow.com

Charter East Dulwich was 954m according to poster above.

It's crazy, if you draw the catchments of Charter ND and Charter ED on a map they massively overlap, you'd think they would have bigger catchments as a result - see attached pic

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messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by goldilocks May 08, 10:58PM

Whilst I appreciate the point you're making and I know it wasn't intended to be an accurate indication of where the intersect is, I don't actually think it overlaps as much as that shows. The address for Charter 1 (North) is the end of the driveway closer to the village - but its slightly more west than that - so think it could actually cut out more of the East Dulwich roads that are shown in the segment (eg Ashbourne, Chesterfield, Derwent etc) and therefore the overlapping bit really isn't so huge.

messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by Oscar38 May 09, 07:57AM

I wrote a post on the 3rd May. It is unfortunate that most of SE22 is in a 'black hole' for secondary schools, in that of the three schools local to the area; Charter East, Charter North and Harris ED. the area falls short of their respective "distance criteria". So far I have cornered a number of Southwark Councilor's about what they are doing to address this and they all claim, "nothing". I live in what is now Dulwich Hill ward, my local Councilor said blame the Tory party. A few days ago, I bumped into a few Councilors from the Village Ward, on the top of Lordship Lane and Barry Rd tented up on the corner promoting traffic and air pollution in the area. When I asked what are they you doing about our children not being able to go to a local school, one when a bit red, but did say he too has the same problem.

While the Council claims to have no power over the local schools, they do take a percentage of our Council Tax to help fund various 'out puts' in the local schools, therefore I would disagree that they "do not have any power".

A report came out this week online form South London Press highlighting over crowded secondary schools in Southwark.

Naturally, most people, like myself would love for my children to go to an outstanding school like Charter North and Harris ED, I can accept being told they are full, but don't tell me, I don't qualify and your my closest school. while some who lives in Kent gets a place because of one the various 'criteria's'.

We really need the community to stand up and make this an election issue. perhaps then someone in 'leadership' will take an interest.

messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by Monkey May 09, 08:52AM

Hi Oscar and everyone

I'm getting mightily irritated with our councillors, who refuse to engage on the issue and answer my emails. Like you, Oscar, I think I'm not going to get into Harris Girls ED now that the school might be changing their nodal point. The Council is asleep at the wheel. I'm all for taking action, gathering a big group of parents and writing a group letter to our MP(s). Anybody interested, please PM.

messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by Jamma May 16, 04:43PM

If it's any help I spoke to Helen Hayes about admissions because clearly it's daft in our area. We all know there was a nappy valley effect a few years back and the primary schools were bulging. Now that cohort has reached secondary but no-one seems to be getting a grip.
Helen Hayes was interested but not entirely helpful with my enquiry. There's not a lot she can do. And there's not a lot Southwark can do about some of the schools because they are academies. But certainly if she got the message that there are votes in sorting it out I think that would help. The more people that contact her about it the better.

messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by Monkey May 16, 08:22PM

I contacted H. Hayes and H. Harman yesterday and encourage everyone to do the same. There is actually quite a bit Southwark can try and do. Like planning for example. But try and get hold of the minutes of the school places strategy meeting for 2018 and you feel like you’re being rude.

Also got news from Sydenham School yesterday that their radius hasn’t budged since offer day on 1st March. Go figure.

Also now hearing that Charter ED won’t expand as quickly as planned.

Southwark is sleep walking into a disaster.

messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by Renata Hamvas May 17, 03:33PM

Primary schools-alot of Southwark primaries are under Southwark's control, therefore Southwark can control their admissions policies. Primary academies/free schools and voluntary aided schools set their own admissions policies.

Secondary Schools-NONE are under Southwark's control. They are all academies/free schools or Faith Schools. This is why we have a hotch potch of policies which varies from one school to another. We have some that prioritise faith, others that partially select for a particular ability and then use a lottery system, others use banding with distance, some use distance with or without a nodal point and others use a mixture of lottery and banding. Some have catchment areas.Yes, it is hugely confusing for parents and means that they have to go on each school's website and check their admissions policy. It also can change from one year to the next year too! Schools run by the same federation may have different admissions policies! To emphasise again, Southwark can comment on consultations on admissions policies, can raise concerns with the ombudsman but don't determine the admissions policies for any of the Borough's secondary schools.
The most recent document I can find in terms of long term pupil number planning is available on the Southwark website is from late 2017. It will come up if you search for Southwark Secondary School place planning, it covers the next few years.

Southwark does administer year 7 admissions to the secondaries in Southwark as part of the Londonwide admissions process. They will work with the Secondary Schools to help them secure funding for bulge classes where this is required due to an increase in applications. There is a higher number of 6-13 year olds in the south of the Borough than older and younger children, so the older ones from the peak birth rate years are already in secondary.

Even though the two Charter schools have an overlapping last place distance offer zone, it does impact on places at other schools outside the zone. Harris Girls' School is changing it's admissions policy. It currently offers 1/3 of it's places on distance and 2/3 on a lottery system. Its proposed new system from 2020 will offer all places after siblings etc on banding plus distance. Previously this school was favoured by parents living in Peckham and Camberwell more than East Dulwich and Nunhead, but this has been changing over the last couple of years. The new proposed admissions policy will give advantage to local girls living in Nunhead or East Dulwich over applicants from further away. Haberdashers' Askes is having a small expansion from 2020 (around 20). This will coincide with the Free School pupils entering secondary. As the primary and secondary school have a shared entry location point, the children who got in to the primary would have got the secondary anyway so these are extra places which may bring a few more east Nunhead residents into the last place distance area.

Monkey, you mention Sydenham Girls hasn't increased its offer radius. Southwark deals with families who move in to the area very quickly within its admission system. Sydenham Girls is in Lewisham and I have no information on this school. I would suspect that there was a significant number of late applicants, who lived close to the school rather than no movement in the waiting list. We are already in the increased birthrate years and every on time applicant was offered a secondary school place in Southwark this year. We have a good admissions department, I am sure they will look at the number of applicants this Autumn and work with the Secondary schools to provide spaces for the 2020 cohort.
Renata

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Labour Councillor For Peckham Rye Ward
Renata.Hamvas@southwark.gov.uk
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messageRe: Secondary School Allocations 2019
Posted by Oscar38 May 17, 03:58PM

I can see from the latest posts that at least one of them is awake (Renata Hamvas, good to hear from you), however still talking about the problem and not the solution. We all know what he problems are and why, and that Southwalk is 'half nelson" but what are you doing to give local children and fair change of a local secondary school place. You cllr's want us to Vote for you, then represent us, not the schools. There is also the issue of people that can afford it, doing short term lets in near to a few of the local school to secure a place. Solutions!!!

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