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closed threadNon essential shops are still open - why?! (duplicate)
Posted by Jonny Comfort April 19, 04:20PM

Since when did gelato ice cream on lordship lane become essential food? A queue of about 20 people getting ice cream. Complacency and rule bending will only lengthen the government lockdowns. The one outing a day is to reduce contact and limit social occurrences. Selfish when people are slaving away in hospitals without sun and their double chip chocolate gelato.

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Posted by siousxiesue April 19, 04:49PM

I wondered how they got around the rules too, absurd.

Apparently car washing is also essential, seeing as the car wash in Chesterfield is open too?

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Posted by ED_2010 April 19, 04:51PM

Am pretty shocked that the ice cream shop is open. Whilst take away are allowed, people should only be leaving their house for essential shopping and doing so as infrequently as possible. Queuing up for an ice cream is not either of those.

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Posted by keano77 April 19, 04:53PM

I suppose one could argue it cheers people up on a sunny day and so contributes to their mental well-being now that an Englishman’s* home has become his prison.

(*to avoid upset read Englishman as person of whatever nationality and gender)

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Posted by ED_2010 April 19, 05:05PM

Unfortunately leaving the house to cheer yourself up is not allowed.

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Posted by Cyclemonkey April 19, 05:06PM

Cafes and restuarants are allowed to stay open to sell food to takeaway. Either for delivery or pick up. Ice cream is a food.

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Posted by womanofdulwich April 19, 05:06PM

I stopped and bought an ice cream this morning, there was no queue, there was no one else in the shop and it was a free ice cream for NHS workers. If alcohol is essential, I think Ice cream should be too.

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Posted by ED_2010 April 19, 05:08PM

1. When am I allowed to leave the house?
You should only leave the house for very limited purposes:

Shopping for basic necessities, for example food and medicine, which must be as infrequent as possible
One form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household
Any medical need, including to donate blood, avoid or escape risk of injury or harm, or to provide care or to help a vulnerable person
Travelling for work purposes, but only where you cannot work from home.

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Posted by Cyclemonkey April 19, 05:10PM

Multi tasking, you can leave your house to exercise/buy food and get an icecream. If Sainsbury's can sell ice cream to takeaway then surely other businesses can?

Some.people will not be happy until all we are allowed to do is sit at home eating bread and water and judging people.

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Posted by Paulie herne hill April 19, 05:29PM

Is a car wash essential ? That’s taking the p surely?

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Posted by Jonny Comfort April 19, 05:32PM

Multitasking by going to loads of different shops should be avoided- pretty obvious, no?
As an adult If you’re mental well-being is reliant on getting an ice cream and you can’t sacrifice your normality for just a few weeks you’ve got bigger concerns.
The whole reason the government advice kindly posted above limits the number of times you go out the house and queue up, this is pointless if you ‘multi task’ and stand in 4 different queues each with different people.

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Posted by DulwichBorn&Bred April 19, 05:38PM

They do home delivery on Deliveroo and Ubereats.

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Posted by Cyclemonkey April 19, 05:51PM

Again stop making stuff up. You can leave the house for essential food and medicine and one form of exercise a day. You may as well say I shouldn't go separelty to my local butcher or baker because I can do it all in one trip at Sainsbury's.

I have no desire or need for ice cream. But we all want out local businesses to survive this so just stop piling on a business for running their business within the rules.

Now one area you could criticise is if they are not able to manage their pick up queue appropriately.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit was april 19, 05:53pm by Cyclemonkey.

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Posted by keano77 April 19, 06:59PM

ED_2010 Wrote:
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> Unfortunately leaving the house to cheer yourself
> up is not allowed.


True. But have you noticed how many people on here seem to leave their homes only to return miserable or in a bad mood about something they consider unacceptable and then post about it

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Posted by Xanadustar April 19, 07:39PM

Thank you Cyclemonkey. There are a few ‘non-essential shops open on the lane which obviously need support and as long as people behave sensibly I just don’t see the problem. No one is forcing anyone to stand in a queue for ice cream.

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Posted by ED Bird April 19, 08:33PM

keano77 Wrote:
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> ED_2010 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Unfortunately leaving the house to cheer
> yourself
> > up is not allowed.
>
>
> True. But have you noticed how many people on here
> seem to leave their homes only to return miserable
> or in a bad mood about something they consider
> unacceptable and then post about it


You're assuming these people are not working in hospitals & the very last thing they want to do is step outside their homes. They weren't even given bank holidays. So I think they have every right to feel the way they do & air their concern. Who better than those frontline, witnessing this very real situation first-hand. It's an insult to them, regardless of whether they're giving out freebies, to be confusing the public on what is & is not essential.

Completely agree with you, Jonny Comfort.

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Posted by Jonny Comfort April 19, 08:42PM

If you read/listened to the news though, non essential shops shouldn’t be open. So why make exceptions such as ice cream? Where do the exceptions stop?
This is why the government has set up funds for businesses. They should help in doing their bit by closing.
Survival of people should be the focus not an ice cream parlour that can receive 10k for the lock down period.

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Posted by keano77 April 19, 09:05PM

Careful Jonny. Once you start pronouncing on who can queue up for what reason and which shops can and can’t trade it can be a slippery slope.

How did you happen to notice this queue anyway? Do you have a flat overlooking the shop or were you out wandering around or driving past?

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Posted by KidKruger April 19, 09:25PM

I’d agree that ice cream parlours, off-licences, coffee shops even are not essential and should not be causing groups of people to gather.
Whether these items can be purchased in supermarkets / larger stores is a separate conversation probably, the focus should be on reducing crowds and queues with minimal shops open as possible.

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Posted by keano77 April 19, 09:32PM

Strangely America and many European countries are about to start to re-open businesses to restart their economies.

We can’t stay locked down indefinitely. Sadly Covid-19 will be with us for years with several waves possibly. Hopefully less virulent each time.

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Posted by bikpon April 19, 09:54PM

If you stick to government guidance it’s hard to justify getting an ice-cream. And I also wonder how people eating them are washing their hands prior to handling or eating cold food. It’s not just about the risk to an individual but about the risk of spreading covid around our community.

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Posted by NewWave April 19, 11:45PM

Jonny Comfort Wrote:
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> Multitasking by going to loads of different shops
> should be avoided- pretty obvious, no?
> As an adult If you’re mental well-being is reliant
> on getting an ice cream and you can’t sacrifice
> your normality for just a few weeks you’ve got
> bigger concerns.
> The whole reason the government advice kindly
> posted above limits the number of times you go out
> the house and queue up, this is pointless if you
> ‘multi task’ and stand in 4 different queues each
> with different people.

I combine my daily exercise with shopping for essentials, often these essentials require going to more than one shop as I dont buy all my edibles in say M&S and Sainsbury-and if on my daily walk I see a place offering takeaway coffee (as Lucas does where I often go to get bread) I get a coffee too.
I know getting a takeaway coffee is a luxury (not a necessity as I have coffee at home )but y'know what...that coffee cheers me up, it makes my day it feels like a taste of normality and if seeing me coming back from my walk carrying my groceries whilst drinking a take-out coffee upsets anyone-I'm sorry but thats my treat.
I wouldn't go to Costa if it was open as I dont support chains but I think buying a coffee from a local cafe I want to support and miss going to to eat is not a crime.
Likewise I dont think that people going for their walk with their families on a hot day should not be allowed to buy an ice-cream because although its not essential (nor is booze) its food and its a treat.

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Posted by ED_2010 April 19, 11:56PM

Over sixteen thousand people have died from covid-19. Why is your ‘treat’ more important than their lives? Seriously get over yourself and your entitlement to ‘treats’. We would all like to go back to our normal lives but if we did that then hundreds of thousands more people would die. Get a grip. Sorry to be harsh but you are actually talking about ice cream. Stay home, save lives.

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Posted by ED Bird April 20, 12:20AM

ED_2010 Wrote:
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> Over sixteen thousand people have died from
> covid-19. Why is your ‘treat’ more important than
> their lives? Seriously get over yourself and your
> entitlement to ‘treats’. We would all like to go
> back to our normal lives but if we did that then
> hundreds of thousands more people would die. Get a
> grip. Sorry to be harsh but you are actually
> talking about ice cream. Stay home, save lives.




This X infinity.

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Posted by keano77 April 20, 12:40AM

I think lockdown is making you lose your your grip on reality ED_2010 and ED Bird. NewWave’s coffee treat is not responsible for the death of those poor people.

The world has got to face up to a very harsh reality - life versus livelihood. This virus isn’t going to go away anytime soon and the world economy is on the edge. Trump is correct. We need to be careful the cure isn’t worse than the disease.

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Posted by Cyclemonkey April 20, 08:09AM

Exactly. People queueing sensibly for goods is not killing people. Again cafes and restaurants are allowed to sell hot and cold food for delivery or pick up. Ice cream is food. So allowed under the rules.

Also i am astonished at the stupidity of saying big supermarkets should be able to sell alcohol, ice cream and other non essentials but you want small, local businesses who sell this to be forced to shut? How is it less safe for me to quickly pop to my local off licence than queue up outside Sainsbury's for 30 minutes? That is mad and will just ensure the only shops left standing at the end of this are big chains.

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Posted by Yeslovewhatcanigetu April 20, 10:12AM

Well said cyclemonkey - if people queue sensibly and follow distancing guidelines why shouldn’t they have an ice cream, and why shouldn’t the ice cream shop have some chance of survival. The level of judgement dished out on here and in society is getting silly - if it’s not buying an ice cream it’s sitting in a park with someone from your own household or jogging along a pavement. Can we just be a bit more realistic.

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Posted by fishbiscuits April 20, 10:19AM

Where do you draw the line, though? If an ice cream parlour can remain open, then why can't every shop?

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Posted by Cyclemonkey April 20, 10:23AM

Because they are a shop that is allowed to be open - a cafe or restaurant selling hot or cold food for delivery or pick up.

You might as well ask why DIY shops are allowed to be open but not clothes shops. Because the government rules allow one to be open but not the other.

It really isn't that hard to grasp.



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Posted by janmac April 20, 10:25AM

I do wonder how some of the people on here are going to cope when lockdown ends. What will they complain about then? Who will they judge? What meaning will life possess?

Hopefully there will be some irresponsible dog-owners, smokers and mothers with wide buggies for them to moan about to each other.

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