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messageRye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by rollflick July 03, 05:39PM

[www.southwark.gov.uk]

Rye Lane is being made walking and cycling only from Monday 6 July, with buses diverted and trolleys to help shops with loading. Seeing how busy the footways have been, this seems months overdue, so better late than never for social distancing. The change may last longer than COVID as it will help the works around Peckham Rye station.

This change will increase motor traffic on Bellenden Road and Camberwell Grove however, as happened during the closure for gas works. Camberwell Grove forms part of cycleway 17, the same route Carlton Avenue is on. Clearly the council will need to take urgent measures to filter rat-running through this area too.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit was july 03, 05:47pm by rollflick.

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by rahrahrah July 04, 06:07AM

I wasn’t aware of this, but it sounds good.

I wonder whether they’ll do anything along Lordship Lane or North cross Road.

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by spider69 July 04, 10:07AM

Like most things from Southwark nobody is ever aware of what they are going to do until its done and chaos reigns apart that is from that small band of zealots that seem to want and get.

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by tiddles July 04, 12:16PM

so does this mean getting to the station is going to be more difficult? then they wonder why people don't use public transport!!!

what about the customers of Rye Lane - many of which use buses to get there? I am beginning to think Southwark wants to shut us all down?

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by Blah Blah July 06, 01:57AM

People already walk out onto the road to avoid other people so this makes sense I guess. It might help bars and restaurants too, if they can put tables outside in nice weather.

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by spider69 July 06, 09:47AM

What restaurants are there in Ryle Lane that would put tables out for dining?

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by womanofdulwich July 06, 09:52AM

maccie D's

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by Penguin68 July 06, 10:21AM

The ancient roman system was to disallow wheeled traffic (carts) on the streets during the day, allowing them at night. It would make sense (and facilitate necessary deliveries to shops etc.) if Rye Lane was open to traffic, say, midnight to 4.00am (or even later, 1.00 am to 5.00am.) That way commerce wouldn't be entirely hamstrung.

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by ctovey July 06, 11:40AM

P13 diverted

[tfl.gov.uk]

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by Nigello July 06, 12:33PM

I don’t think it will add to the “pleasure” of using the Lane. No traffic at all, including buses, will add to the Ponderosa feel the Lane has, especially as you head south past the station. Let’s face it, it is not well loved or well maintained and the absence of familiar things like London buses (which are a public good, not a private luxury) won’t help out. I have seen the hard work of the litter pickers and graffiti removers whose efforts are not repaid by the incessant litter droppers and vandals. (Some of the artwork is really good, like when shutters are painted, and I would love to see more of this.)

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by Clutterqueen July 08, 11:28PM

rollflick Wrote:
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> [www.southwark.gov.uk]
> e-temporary-closure
>
> Rye Lane is being made walking and cycling only
> from Monday 6 July, with buses diverted and
> trolleys to help shops with loading. Seeing how
> busy the footways have been, this seems months
> overdue, so better late than never for social
> distancing. The change may last longer than COVID
> as it will help the works around Peckham Rye
> station.
>
> This change will increase motor traffic on
> Bellenden Road and Camberwell Grove however, as
> happened during the closure for gas works.
> Camberwell Grove forms part of cycleway 17, the
> same route Carlton Avenue is on. Clearly the
> council will need to take urgent measures to
> filter rat-running through this area too.

What a terrible decision and one that was made during the Covid situation! Many vulnerable people i.e. people that cannot walk or cycle to local destinations are now finding bus routes etc. suddenly stopped.

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by Mrs D July 09, 07:12PM

Does anyone know where the new route is for buses - do they stop anywhere close to the station at all?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was july 09, 07:13pm by Mrs D.

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by katgod July 09, 08:07PM

I have tried to discuss this on the navel gazing Dulwich Safer Streets thread over on the main page. So short sighted to not deal with bus routes. Improving air quality and encouraging walking and cycling but not thinking about public transport is just madness.

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by intexasatthe moment July 09, 08:14PM

Mrs D the buses stop at Nigel Road ( other side to the Tesco Express ) and then divert down Copeland Road which is more or less parallel to Rye Lane .

They do not stop near the station ,you need to walk down from the Nigel Road stop .It's the same route used during the works last year when they dug up the road in Rye Lane .

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by snoopy17 July 09, 08:20PM

be careful walking in the road as cyclists are all over the place.

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by Mrs D July 09, 08:35PM

Thank you!

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by KidKruger July 10, 06:00AM

Yep cyclists are happy to let you know it’s ‘their’ road now, only the pavement bit is for pedestrians as far as they are concerned ! Not a sense of shared space.

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by snoopy17 July 10, 05:08PM

went to Peckham today and the cyclists are swerving all over the road instead of riding in a straight line. looks like some are deliberately trying to be a pain.

I.still use the traffic lights to cross otherwise it's like a game of dodge the cyclist.

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by KidKruger July 10, 08:33PM

Basically jogger mentality on wheels.

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by first mate July 11, 06:46AM

If roads are being made vehicle free to facilitate social distancing then pedestrians must have priority on the roads. Perhaps cyclists should be forced to dismount and walk through areas like this.


KidKruger Wrote:
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> Yep cyclists are happy to let you know it’s
> ‘their’ road now, only the pavement bit is for
> pedestrians as far as they are concerned ! Not a
> sense of shared space.

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by KidKruger July 11, 09:09AM

there's 'should be' and 'whats actually practical'.
No one is going to police it.

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by first mate July 11, 12:10PM

Having seen how some people cycle I would not be surprised if there are some nasty accidents, if we get to a point where lots of people start to cycle. As with all vehicles, there will be speed freaks who enjoy a bit of high risk weaving around people and other cyclists.

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by JohnL July 11, 05:47PM

KidKruger Wrote:
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> there's 'should be' and 'whats actually
> practical'.
> No one is going to police it.


Until someone rings one of these no win no fee lawyers you see on TV all day (could be cyclist or walker or both).

Mind I prefer the lawyer adverts to the ones about "my funeral"

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by Blah Blah July 11, 07:40PM

Cue the usual hysteria about cyclists. I cycled both ways along the lane this afternoon. It was absolutely fine.

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by KidKruger July 12, 07:32AM

Blah Blah just because you don't observe something others have experienced, doesn't delete their point, nor does it mean hysteria is automatically about to start (although hysteria on EDF is all but guaranteed on most threads!).
I'm sure the other cyclists present when the above observations by walkers were made also thought everything was fine, too.
I've been on Rye Lane before and since - experiencing both fair-shared space and what seem like aggressive 'my patch' cyclists.
It obviously won't be one OR the other for the entirety of every second of every day. You know this already.
But news of a shared space to enable distancing, then experiencing belligerence from others when trying to make use of it to feel safe, will inevitably bother some people when made to feel unsafe.
When it does happen, it's exactly 'jogger mentality'; I've got the momentum, I'm going at speed, it's a pain for me to have to slow down for you, I am taking priority here, just get out of my way, don't use my road, I'm on my way somewhere here while you're only walking, move.
It doesn't mean all cyclists at every time.

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by rollflick July 12, 09:48AM

With Islington and neighbouring Bromley this week being in the top ten councils seeing a spike in COVID cases nationally, and Lambeth also having a significant increase, closing Rye Lane was clearly the right decision to help prevent an increase in Southwark.

Before lockdown, 40% of the vehicular traffic on Rye Lane was pedal cycles. Sure it's more than 2500 per day now and this will only increase with more filters going in this week, e.g. Bishopsgate and Walworth. [roadtraffic.dft.gov.uk]

Telling everyone on two wheels to walk isn't going to walk on a major cycle route, you'd need police every 100m. In the short term Southwark should burn off the yellow lines etc. to reduce the perception of the kerb and then mark a 4.5m strip down the middle as a cycle track. That would make things simpler and clearer than everyone going everywhere. There's also a massive need for cycle parking to encourage all those people cycling to stop and spend, especially around Choumert Road and either side of the station.

Next Southwark is planning to make Peckham Rye east side (the bit by the Rye pub) cycle & bus only, with access for residents. Maybe the Consort/Copeland Road junction could be made into a mini-roundabout, allowing just cycle & bus access into Copeland Road, so there's a stop closer to the station.



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messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by Spartacus July 12, 11:49AM

"Next Southwark is planning to make Peckham Rye east side (the bit by the Rye pub) cycle & bus only"

How will this work as the only way to go to Nunhead if you come from the direction of Forest Hill (including if you come along Barry Road) is to go to the turn at the coop building in Peckham, come back on yourself and the go along the east side and turn left towards Nunhead

Equally if you are coming from the Copeland Road direction and want to go to East Dulwich Road (or beyond) you can't currently turn left or right at the East Dulwich Road / Peckham Rye junction so you have to go along the east side, turn right at the lights and approach the junction that way.

Closing of the east side will cause major issues going anywhere which will see cars being forced to use side roads to get to their destination.

Very badly thought through by the council as it is systematically cutting East Dulwich off from its neighbouring areas without thinking of the impacts on other roads or how the disabled and elderly will travel.

Let's prey what you you suggest above simply isn't true.

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by rupert james July 12, 12:03PM

If it results in a major balls up you can rest assured that it is most likely to be true.

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by first mate July 12, 02:38PM

Where have you found out about these plans from?

rollflick Wrote:
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> With Islington and neighbouring Bromley this week
> being in the top ten councils seeing a spike in
> COVID cases nationally, and Lambeth also having a
> significant increase, closing Rye Lane was clearly
> the right decision to help prevent an increase in
> Southwark.
>
> Before lockdown, 40% of the vehicular traffic on
> Rye Lane was pedal cycles. Sure it's more than
> 2500 per day now and this will only increase with
> more filters going in this week, e.g. Bishopsgate
> and Walworth.
> [roadtraffic.dft.gov.uk]
> 6015
>
> Telling everyone on two wheels to walk isn't going
> to walk on a major cycle route, you'd need police
> every 100m. In the short term Southwark should
> burn off the yellow lines etc. to reduce the
> perception of the kerb and then mark a 4.5m strip
> down the middle as a cycle track. That would make
> things simpler and clearer than everyone going
> everywhere. There's also a massive need for cycle
> parking to encourage all those people cycling to
> stop and spend, especially around Choumert Road
> and either side of the station.
>
> Next Southwark is planning to make Peckham Rye
> east side (the bit by the Rye pub) cycle & bus
> only, with access for residents. Maybe the
> Consort/Copeland Road junction could be made into
> a mini-roundabout, allowing just cycle & bus
> access into Copeland Road, so there's a stop
> closer to the station.

messageRe: Rye lane walk & cycle only from 6/7
Posted by Blah Blah July 12, 08:53PM

KK, I am going to say it. You are being hysterical and worse than that, dismissing my objective experience as someone who cycles up and down Rye Lane most days.

The thing about shared spaces is that they are just that. A random meandering of different users. It often looks chaotic when actually it is not. Have there been a run of collisions on the far more densely shared stretch at the top of Rye Lane over the years? No there haven't. What there has been however, are a lot of cyclists and pedestrians alike, complaining about having their assumed right of way impeded.

The reality is that for any complaint, pretty much all shared space users observe an appropriate caution they would not otherwise. If they didn't, shared spaces would never work anywhere. All the evidence however shows they quite clearly do.

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