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messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by Louisa 07 December, 2014 22:21

No need for a re-brand here cle. Business as usual.

Louisa.

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by DulwichFox 07 December, 2014 22:23

cle Wrote:
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. DF
> - you've never clamoured for Afro-Caribbean
> eateries either that I can recall? Red herring...

I've never clamoured for any eatery..

I've never clamoured for any other outlet..

I've given my support to many outlets over the years and have credited them on EDF
(The Positive stuff that Selective Readers never mention when having a pop.)

Iceland, Dulwich DIY, Shauns DIY, Dulwich Tandoori, Jaflong , Mirash, Curry Cabin,
Hisar, Kebab and wine, Clippers, John Alan, Locale(now gone),EDT, Hirsts Bakery, SMBS.



So let's ditch all the DulwichFox negativity crap once and for all..

DulwichFox

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by cle 07 December, 2014 22:26

You missed the newsagents and the bookies, guv...

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by DulwichFox 07 December, 2014 22:29

cle Wrote:
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> You missed the newsagents and the bookies, guv...

Don't bet on horses. Cruel sport.

DulwichFox

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by Louisa 07 December, 2014 22:37

Fox my point precisely.

I remember when I tried my hardest to support Le Moulin, the owners were genuinely lovely people and I always sung the praises of the restaurant on here. Often criticised and ridiculed for doing so. When the boot is on the other foot, I'm criticised for not supporting new businesses into the area, when many of those people who moved here because they liked what ED had become and not what made it special and diverse in the first place, disliked so much about what the area was and the businesses within in. Highly convenient they choose not to mention any of this.

Louisa.

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by DulwichFox 07 December, 2014 23:00

Louisa...

Totally agree..

I've never actually written anything Negative about any place I've eaten in.

I belong to the Curry Club and we go to a diff Rest each month.
We do give feedback if food was good or if we felt a bit disappointed.
But as it has been going for 8 ? years the group(and anyone is welcome to come along)
has been to all the Indian rests. on numerous occasions.
So good nights and not so good nights.

I expressed my doubts over the Patch. I did not think their business plan could ever work.

Others slagged off other outlets that could no longer be mentioned. I never did.

I said Pizza was overrated and jokingly suggested it was just cheese on toast.
I also said I thought Franco Manca was the best make over of any ED. business.
I added I thought their pricing was fair.. and I was sure they would do well.

All Positive comments ignored...

Can't win.

Foxy

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by Dodo1 08 December, 2014 09:12

Yes great range of interesting beers.

What is the link with this and also selling hot sauce?

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by jenf 08 December, 2014 10:22

Hi Dodo1, thank you so much for the kind words. The simple explanation is that beer and hot sauce are two of our favourite things. Completely unscientific research also suggests that a lot of people who love exploring the wonderful world of beer also enjoy sublimely/ridiculously hot sauces, so we thought we'd put it to the test. We can confirm this hypothesis does appear to be borne out from what we've observed over the past two weeks. (Beer and hot sauce also go really well together.)

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by Jeremy 08 December, 2014 10:35

cle Wrote:
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> Interesting re Southerden. Ellie's lacklustre,
> cat-hair infested baked goods didn't last there
> either (I suspect unrestrained cannibalism of
> stock) - obviously not quite the spot for it.

I get the impression that things were going just fine for Southerden, they just decided to expand into a larger shop in a higher profile area - as well as growing the production/wholesale side of things. Gutted to lose one of the best patisseries in London, but the Tapas bar sounds great too.

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by LadyDeliah 08 December, 2014 11:09

Louisa Wrote:
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> woodleigh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > I wonder if those who do not like what East
> > Dulwich has become might consider cashing in on
> > the huge increase in the value of their homes
> that
> > they will have enjoyed thanks to the influx of
> the
> > new middle-class sourdough eaters, and find
> > somewhere less posh to live!
>
> Or maybe those very people (many of whom
> contribute to this forum) have already been forced
> out of the place they were born in because the
> sour dough eaters have moved in and priced them
> out the place they grew up in? Just a thought smiling smiley
>
> Louisa.




This also assumes they own their home.

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messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by strae 08 December, 2014 11:31

It's great that there is a diversity of views and negative views are as valid as positive ones.

I think Louisa's and DF's views are interesting precisely they are sometimes different from my own.

But have to say that this notion that my tastes and preferences as less valid because I wasn't born here or have lived here as long really grates.

Does being born in SE15/22 give one special rights vs those that have merely moved here later in life?

This is not say that one shouldn't be aware of and appreciate the history of a place. I can understand the reminiscing of times past and nostalgia but the problem with sharing golden memories with a crowd of folks who weren't there... well, it's the internet version of being forced to see someone else's holiday slideshow...

And while it's unfortunate that the old shops shut - it's hardly the new shop's fault! In fact, it seems like often the commentary against the new shops is more angst about the "new" customers.

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by nxjen 08 December, 2014 11:38

Strae: Well said!

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by jimbo1964 08 December, 2014 11:45

Maybe sourdough is the new sour grapes?

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by 08 December, 2014 12:52

I AM A VICTIM LOOK AT ME

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by grabot 08 December, 2014 14:02

I had an unexpectedly good night at Four Quarters in Peckham. Good beer and well constructed nostalgia for anyone who enjoyed playing Street Fighter 2 in the arcade as a youth; the music, posters and retro TV add a lot to the atmosphere.

Big caveat to my recommendation, I have eulogised about the Patch in the past, but for a brief time I actually think that it was very good.

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by Jeremy 08 December, 2014 14:18

Yeah, I like Four Quarters a lot. Even if you don't want to play games, it's a good option if you fancy somewhere scuzzy instead of the smartly-refurbed, family-friendly bars of ED.

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by Sue 08 December, 2014 22:22

DulwichFox Wrote:
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>
>
> I sometime wonder how much more it might of risen
> in price if I could still park outside my home at
> all times.
> and did not have to put up with hot-dogs and onion
> smells wafting up my road on Saturdays.
> And the constant traffic up and down my road.
>
> People come to markets.. No one CHOOSES to LIVE on
> / near one
>


I live in the same road and a lot nearer the market than you do, Dulwich Fox, and I think it's great.

I've never noticed any food smells at all wafting up the road, on Saturdays or any other day.

Nor have I noticed "constant traffic".

And I can quite often park outside my house, and even if I can't, so what? I can almost always park in my/our road, which is hardly very long.

I think it's a great advantage living so near the market, not in any way a disadvantage.

And in case you hadn't noticed, many people have recently moved to our road, presumably all CHOOSING (your caps) to LIVE (ditto) near the market big grin

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by katanita 09 December, 2014 20:28

Popped into Hops, Burns and Black earlier, very friendly and very impressive selection with lots of London breweries. Like the idea of the flagons as well. Will definitely be back there, especially if they keep bringing in new beers to try.

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by derwentgrove 10 December, 2014 06:33

I tried out Yama Momo last night with my husband. I suspect they will do well. Although it was their (slightly delayed) opening night, the food was really good and the service was both friendly and attentive.

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by tersiered 15 December, 2014 13:05

I too have been to Pedlar twice since they opened - fantastic addition to the hood. Great cocktails, good service, yummy brunch menu (Duck Rosti my fav)and dinner menu which was different both days I went. They are doing roasts on a Sunday too, I think this is fast becoming my fav place.

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by Ron70 15 December, 2014 13:48

Went to Yama Momo on Sat night, good cocktails, good food and great service.

Ron 70

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by DulwichFox 15 December, 2014 14:45

Sue Wrote:
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And in case you hadn't noticed, many people have
> recently moved to our road, presumably all
> CHOOSING (your caps) to LIVE (ditto) near the
> market
big grin

Yes many people have indeed moved to our road.

And an equal amount have moved out to make room for them.
Was a time when property in our road and the other one running parallel
was impossible to come by.

But many people have just had enough of the market and the parking situation
and are just moving out.

I talk to a lot of people and get a lot of feedback.
I have lovely next door neighbours but they are now moving out.

People moving here do not know what they are letting themselves in for.
and paying on average 650k - 800k

It's out off control

Foxy

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by antantant 15 December, 2014 15:31

JohnL Wrote:
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> The new Antic pub in Rye Lane is going to be
> called "John the Unicorn"


Can not wait for this to open!

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by Sue 15 December, 2014 15:51

DulwichFox Wrote:

> But many people have just had enough of the
> market and the parking situation
> and are just moving out.
>


Are you seriously suggesting that people are moving out of Ulverscroft Road (and presumably other roads adjoining North Cross Road) because they have "had enough of the market and the parking situation" ??!

Surely that is a gross exaggeration??!

The market is once a week - plus one or two stalls on Friday. I think it's a fantastic asset to the area rather than a disadvantage. I love being near the market.

I can usually park outside (or very near) my house. Can't you? Even to walk from one end of the road to the other very slowly can't take more than a couple of minutes max, so I'm bemused as to what this "parking situation" is? If you have heavy things, you can always double park briefly while you unload them, surely?

Of course people move out as others move in, otherwise there would be no houses for sale in the area, would there?!

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by Louisa 15 December, 2014 16:03

I can appreciate the concerns many have about the market. If it were a huge community asset, a large established market aimed at everyone in the area providing a huge variety of goods and services (East lane, Portabello) then I could probably be a lot more sympathetic. It seems a shame this market is only aimed at a proportion of the entire ED population.

Louisa.

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by nxjen 15 December, 2014 16:10

Louisa Wrote:
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> I can appreciate the concerns many have about the
> market.

Does anyone out there who lives near the market really have any such concerns? Apart from DF that is who doesn't live that close to the market at all.

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by Louisa 15 December, 2014 16:20

Well it's difficult to know seeing as this forum isn't representative of the entire population in the surrounding streets.

Louisa.

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by nxjen 15 December, 2014 16:22

That's why I posted, to canvas opinion from those who live close by

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by Louisa 15 December, 2014 16:41

How far around the market (by streets) in terms of parking and "smells" Do the effects travel? Be interesting to know.

Louisa.

messageRe: New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham
Posted by DulwichFox 15 December, 2014 16:47

Its 300 steps 258Mtres from my home to North Cross Rd.

On one occasion a mini bus was parked outside my house for 2 weeks.

Only last week I could not get outside my house for 6 days.

If go shopping on a sat. I get back and cannot park outside my place till 6-7 pm
And then if I spot a gap by the time i've gone round the block it's been taken.

There are also 2 skips opposite and 2 doors along which has been there since June (30-40 Skips in that time)
So there is the added problem of skip lorries / builders lorries / 3 houses that have had scaffolding.

It is a complete nightmare. Non stop lorries all day.

Foxy..

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