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Posted by Abe_froeman 02 February, 2016 07:48

I can't see that happening ED oldie - they've just spent billions linking Heathrow to central London via cross rail!

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Posted by thejournalist 02 February, 2016 14:05

I second Jah Lush - i was also woken at 4.45am - super loud today - like they were landing on lordship lane or something

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Posted by toto 02 February, 2016 20:07

Same here. Woken up at 04:20am !!!!
Would be nice if airplanes were only allowed to land at Heathrow from 6am onwards.

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Posted by EDOldie 03 February, 2016 14:59

Abe_froeman Wrote:
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> I can't see that happening ED oldie - they've just
> spent billions linking Heathrow to central London
> via cross rail!

All the more reason to redevelop it for housing. Both Gatwick and Heathrow (in particular) have very good transport links. And think of the noise improvement over London itself. We get a plane going over our house in East Dulwich low just before six EVERY BLOODY MORNING!!Don't know which airport it's going into but it would be lovely to lose it. Even at a cost of billions!

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Posted by DulwichFox 03 February, 2016 15:26

No one who has ever flown to an holiday destination has the right to complain about aircraft noise...

DulwichFox.

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Posted by fazer71 03 February, 2016 16:01

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> No one who has ever flown to an holiday
> destination has the right to complain about
> aircraft noise...
>
> DulwichFox.

Using that logic. "no one who has ever used a car can complain about getting knocked down and killed by a car."

DulwichFox keep taking the prescription medication it's making you hysterical.

Lol smiling smiley ;(

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Posted by JohnL 03 February, 2016 16:29

fazer71 Wrote:
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> DulwichFox Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No one who has ever flown to an holiday
> > destination has the right to complain about
> > aircraft noise...
> >
> > DulwichFox.
>
> Using that logic. "no one who has ever used a car
> can complain about getting knocked down and killed
> by a car."
>
> DulwichFox keep taking the prescription medication
> it's making you hysterical.
>
> Lol smiling smiley ;(

Wouldn't the direct comparison to be hit by a crashing airplane.
(touch wood as this is actually entered as a risk for datacenters big grin

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Posted by DulwichFox 03 February, 2016 16:52

fazer71 Wrote:
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> DulwichFox Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No one who has ever flown to an holiday
> > destination has the right to complain about
> > aircraft noise...
> >
> > DulwichFox.
>
> Using that logic. "no one who has ever used a car
> can complain about getting knocked down and killed
> by a car."
>
> DulwichFox keep taking the prescription medication
> it's making you hysterical.
>
> Lol smiling smiley ;(

I dont think Noise and being killed are compareable..

I doubt very much Fazer that whatever medication you may be on, it would not be available on prescription.

DulwichFox

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Posted by fazer71 03 February, 2016 19:02

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> I dont think Noise and being killed are
> compareable..
>
> I doubt very much Fazer that whatever medication
> you may be on, it would not be available on
> prescription.
>
> DulwichFox



Unfortunately there's as yet no medication which can cure me of idiotic people.


Let's be clear I am not comparing Noise with being Killed!

I am comparing your insane logic.

If you still don't understand let's accept that is further proof of your need for serious help medical or otherwise.

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Posted by EDOldie 04 February, 2016 13:02

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> No one who has ever flown to an holiday
> destination has the right to complain about
> aircraft noise...
>
> DulwichFox.

That can't be right Mr Fox. I am suggesting a way to alleviate aircraft noise over East Dulwich and London. Clearly the airports we currently have are insufficient for demand and in order to remedy this theyve come up with the brilliant idea of extending either, and possibly both I think , airports.

This will only make noise more of a problem in London. So, despite my lust for travel, I think I have every right to complain.

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Posted by Jah Lush 04 February, 2016 13:40

EDOldie Wrote:

. I am suggesting a way
> to alleviate aircraft noise over East Dulwich and
> London. Clearly the airports we currently have are
> insufficient for demand and in order to remedy
> this theyve come up with the brilliant idea of
> extending either, and possibly both I think,
> airports.
>
> This will only make noise more of a problem in
> London.

I've come up with a genius plan, killing several birds with one stone.

1. Close all airports in London down completely and move them to Birmingham.
2. Build a high speed shuttle train service between London & Birmingham.
3. Build cheap affordable housing where the London airports once were.
4. Issue free ear mufflers to the people of Birmingham.

Hussar! Housing crisis solved. No planes over London.

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Posted by panda boy 04 February, 2016 13:44

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Posted by fazer71 04 February, 2016 15:41

Many in the wrong zone
[youtu.be]

Imho Estuary Airport the real replacement, only problem no one in power has the foresight, will & wherewithal.

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Posted by Charlie Smith 04 February, 2016 16:05

I have received an email from HACAN EAST who are an organisation who say they represent residents who live under City and Heathrow airports flight paths. They say that as from today the 4th of February, London City Airport will be concentrating flight paths across east and south-east London, including over parts of Southwark. the main areas affected in particular will be Dulwich Village, when the wind is blowing in an easterly direction. Easterly arrivals will affect Bexley, Sidcup, New Eltham, Mottingham, Catford, Dulwich Village, Herne Hill, Brixton, Stockwell and Vauxhall.
City Airport has failed to engage residents and local stakeholders and simply published the consultation document in a buried section of their website. The CAA announced it would implement these flight paths on the 22nd of December.
HACAN is currently seeking legal advice which may result in action. HACAN can be contacted through Robert Barnstone, Campaign Co-ordinator at WWW.hacaneast.org Tel. 07806947050

I will be contacting this organisation for more information. There are many residents in this area who are already being disturbed by aircraft noise especially early morning. Extra flights in and out of City Airport will only compound this problem.

Councillor Charlie Smith
East Dulwich Labour Ward Member

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Posted by spider69 04 February, 2016 17:43

I predict that night will follow day until 2050.

Do you think I could get a grant to look into this possibility.

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Posted by Abe_froeman 04 February, 2016 18:23

Charlie don't be too hasty... Tha plan sounds positive for East Dulwich residents, we're not on the list!

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Posted by ianr 04 February, 2016 22:21

Charlie Smith Wrote:
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> City Airport has failed to engage residents and
> local stakeholders and simply published the
> consultation document in a buried section of their website.

I've not found it yet. Is it still there?

It took some time even to find those parts that dealt with engagement with "our community". The sign to follow seems to be CSR (Corporate Social responsibility). I then find a consultative committee [www.lcacc.org] that doesn't include Southwark or Lambeth residents or council among its members, and an Airport Transport Forum [lcacc.org] which seems not to have met since 2013. I'm posting, btw, simply because of interest in the social engagement and consultation matter. I don't have an issue with the noise of their arrivals.

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Posted by Sue 04 February, 2016 23:17

Jah Lush Wrote:
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> Crikey! I've been critical of these threads in the
> past but even I've been woken by the planes now.
> Woke at 4am this morning and I haven't been able
> to go back to sleep because of the constant
> aircraft noise. They've been really loud this
> morning.


Same here on Tuesday. Really loud even through my supposedly acoustic glass. Had about four hours sleep. Really pissed off.

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Posted by Abe_froeman 05 February, 2016 08:30

I wonder if flights landed at a shallower angle this week due to the high winds. There was some mention (possibly on this thread) of here having been a trial of landings being steeper so that the planes were higher for longer and therefore more quiet.

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Posted by toto 06 February, 2016 21:06

Jah Lush, the problem is not about ALL London airports as you said. The problem is about HEATHROW. Planes for or from Gatwick, Luton or Stansted cause no noise to the London population.

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Posted by Ralph 06 February, 2016 23:19

Abae_froeman Wrote:
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> I wonder if flights landed at a shallower angle
> this week due to the high winds. There was some
> mention (possibly on this thread) of here having
> been a trial of landings being steeper so that the
> planes were higher for longer and therefore more
> quiet

Don't be fooled by Heathrow's claims regarding steeper landing descents. They are PR window dressing and have and will make no difference to noise pollution caused by planes. Previous plane descent was at 3%. It's now at 3.29%. Which makes for difference in height that is, sadly, negligible.

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Posted by Ninjapig 07 February, 2016 09:01

If you are bothered by aircraft noise I suggest joining Hacan [hacan.org.uk] . They are fighting for respite periods for SE London like the ones implemented for residents in Kew / Hounslow etc. Londoners should share the noise from Heathrow fairly, at the moment many of us are taking more than our fair share.


Please also consider emailing noise@heathrow.com when you are woken / bothered by noise as all complaints are registered and high volumes of complaints from the SE may help the cause.

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Posted by toto 12 February, 2016 06:55

Easterly winds this morning !! Yes ! Just got 2 and 1/2 hours more of sleep than usual :-))))

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Posted by khedley 12 February, 2016 08:21

Having flown into LHR on Saturday, I'm not sure the "steeper entry when windy" is a bluff...it was pretty hairy!

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Posted by landsberger 12 February, 2016 10:01

If you ever want to see the identity of a flight travelling over your house, head over to Flightradar24

Flightradar24.com is realtime information and shows the progress of flights across the world.

I can, for instance see at this instant that an Alitalia flight AZ216/AZA216 from Milan to London City has just flown over Dulwich Village at an altitude of 2,475 feet, is 8 minutes early, has a registration of EI-RNA and is an Embraer ERJ-190. Useful if you want to cite a specific flight.

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Posted by steveo 12 February, 2016 10:45

Thanks landsberger, that's a half hour playing with flightradar I'll never get back

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Posted by Sue 12 February, 2016 12:55

steveo Wrote:
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> Thanks landsberger, that's a half hour playing
> with flightradar I'll never get back


I bet you enjoyed it though big grin

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Posted by Jah Lush 12 February, 2016 13:07

Fecking plane spotters.

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Posted by landsberger 13 February, 2016 21:44

steveo Wrote:
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> Thanks landsberger, that's a half hour playing
> with flightradar I'll never get back

It's great if you're picking someone up from London City Airport and want to know how late they'll be ;-/ Or whether their plane departed on time.

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