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messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by DulwichFox 06 June, 2016 19:10

LondonMix Wrote:
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> Its not a new Lido, its reinstating an old Lido
> which I think will make a lot of difference from a
> planning perspective.
>
> Not sure about the supporting facilities but that
> I am sure will largely depend on bulk / massing.

The old Lido was Local Authority run .. I would imagine Southwark are not keen on doing that..

Because it is Common Land it should NOT be offered up to private enterprise.
If it were, it would set a president for the rest of the common..

So I really don't know where this will go.

DulwichFox

messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by Abe_froeman 06 June, 2016 23:37

The other swimming pool nearby is already public property managed privately.

After decades of public private finance this project would be a mere splinter of the thick end of the wedge.

messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by BenLE 08 June, 2016 23:23

To answer a couple of queries:

The plan is to heat the pool with ground and air source heat pumps, which require very little energy to run. Part of the money which we are currently raising is to calculate the energy use for the building and to use renewable sources wherever possible.

We are rebuilding a facility which was there from the 20s to the late 80s. And before that there was a swimming pond on the same site from at least the 1850s. Having a lido on the site is not a new concept. When I was a kid growing up in the area, we had lots more pools than there are now and most of them were well used. The pioneer centre was still in use and we had a very busy pool in New Cross Gate too.

The facility will NOT be privately owned.It will be run as a social enterprise who will lease the land from the council. The main priority of the project is to provide a fantastic new outdoor swimming facility which can support itself financially long term. The ticket prices will be in line with Brockwell Lido.

With intelligent design we can make the inside of the pool feel very calm and secluded from the traffic at the junctions. The lido will be pretty much in the same location it was before, so it is set in from the road on all sides.

The reason that it's worth building a new lido, when we already have the Pulse, East Dul and Camb is because the lido is actually a very different facility and experience. The lido will be 50m which means that for anyone who takes swimming seriously, they can train properly. Kids who live locally have to go to Crystal Palace to use a 50m pool. It is also meant to be a place for people of all ages to relax, sunbathe, have fun. Teenagers can spend days there in the summer holiday rather than hanging out in the street. It will be a place to hang out as family or with friends, sunbathe and relax!

The other local lidos have queues running round the block all summer and you can barely find a place to put your towel. There is clearly huge demand for more places to swim outdoors especially in the summer months. For anyone who has used heated pools in the winter however, as long as the water is warm enough it is a very nice experience.

We know not everyone is going to be keen and we'll try and address as many of the concerns as possible. I hope this answers a few of the questions.

Ben Lloyd-Ennals

messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by edhistory 09 June, 2016 23:23

BenLE Wrote:
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> The plan is to heat the pool with ground [...} heat pumps

What is the geology under the lido?

John K

messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by titch juicy 10 June, 2016 07:58

All this talk of lidos inspired me to go to Brockwell for the first time yesterday evening.

It was glorious! No queues, plenty of room (at a rough guess about 60 or 70 people in and around the pool), water not heated but perfectly warm enough, very few kids despite it being warm and sunny and after school (6.30pm) and only £3.30.

If that can be recreated in Peckham then I'd use it. I do worry about numbers of people through the door though. Brockwell has a big old catchment area and it was a lovely day yesterday but not many folks in. I'm sure it's different on a hot day in the summer holidays, but how many of those do we have in our typical summer?

messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by rahrahrah 10 June, 2016 08:31

I think a lot of people are put off by the fact that it's not heated though. It's the intention that the Peckham one will be.

messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by titch juicy 10 June, 2016 08:37

rahrahrah Wrote:
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> I think a lot of people are put off by the fact
> that it's not heated though. It's the intention
> that the Peckham one will be.


Do you think that outdoor heated swimming will appeal to lots in the winter? I know for some it's a wonderful idea (me included) but for most?

messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by Jeremy 10 June, 2016 09:42

Well, serious swimmers would want cool water. Recreational users would warm water (outside of summer months at least). Not sure you can keep both happy.

messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by dulwichita lineman 11 June, 2016 13:30

The photo brings back many fond memories! With the changing rooms spanning the length of both sides. It was freezing but who cares when your ten years old! I'm sure it will be extremely popular and enjoyed by all ages. Let the ED renaissance continue!

messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by edhistory 12 June, 2016 05:48

BenLE Wrote:
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> To answer a couple of queries:
>
> And before that there was
> a swimming pond on the same site from at least the
> 1850s.

Has the Peckham Society been told?

John K

messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by ChristineC 12 June, 2016 13:25

Pond for model boats. Paddling at best.

See [books.google.co.uk]"peckham+rye"+boating+pond&source=bl&ots=_EaLZm1C9M&sig=iAcbwFuKoveqZQKjJZZb5Ga8F1k&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwia0rXvvKLNAhUkIcAKHR9tDqIQ6AEIODAF#v=onepage&q="peckham rye" boating pond&f=false

If the link doesn't work: "Peckham and Nunhead Through Time" By John D. Beasley.

Also: [www.flickr.com].

Conspicuous for a swim!



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messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by CJRey 08 July, 2016 13:25

Hi All

Just to flag but this great project is still almost £25k short of its £65k target with only 24 days to go. If it doesn't hit the target it won't get implemented.

If you want to pledge, please do so.

Link: [www.spacehive.com]

messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by TJ 18 July, 2016 16:48

Hi all locals,

This project has just received a pledge of £10,000 from Southwark council a few minutes ago. It is only a few thousand short of the target now, with 14 days to go. Come on people, dig deep and pledge what ever you can!
Imagine having this on our doorstep on a day like today!

messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by DulwichFox 18 July, 2016 17:12

TJ Wrote:
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> Hi all locals,
>
> This project has just received a pledge of £10,000
> from Southwark council a few minutes ago. It is
> only a few thousand short of the target now, with
> 14 days to go. Come on people, dig deep and pledge
> what ever you can!
> Imagine having this on our doorstep on a day like
> today!

What am I missing.. What is the £65k for.. You cannot build a swimming pool for £65K.

and we already have a swimming pool at Brockwell Park..

and how many days like today do we get each year. 15 ? 20 ?

DulwichFox

messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by Jeremy 18 July, 2016 17:15

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> What is the £65k for

I think it's to fund the feasibility study

messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by edhistory 18 July, 2016 18:11

Who will receive £65k from Southwark Council?

Gifts of public money require the transparency of published accounts.

John K

messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by Louisa 18 July, 2016 18:17

Well I think the whole thing is ridiculous. The lido closed all those years ago for a reason, then a bunch of creative hipsters move into the area and want to reimagine a dead duck. As the fox rightly points out, the weather in this country is far too unpredictable to help support such a project, hence its demise in the first place. Waste of funds which could go towards something more worthy.

Louisa.

messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by Siduhe 18 July, 2016 18:33

For the people asking what the money will be spent on - there's a level of detail on the funding page as follows:

Quote:
Peckham Rye Lido
Steps to get it done
Progress with our architects Studio Octopi to produce: drawings, updated visuals, and technical documentation
Commission landscape architects to prepare landscape concept design
Commission quantity surveyors to prepare a construction cost estimate
Hold a consultation to take on board ideas from locals, which we’ll feed into the architect’s design
Commission our planning consultants to formally submit for Pre-Application Planning Advice to Southwark Council
Produce a business plan, commercial strategy and fundraising tools to raise the £5.5 million construction cost
Create a marketing and publicity campaign to attract attention for the pool

and also see the breakdown here.

messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by edhistory 18 July, 2016 19:00

That does not answer the question about which "legal person" will get the Southwark Council money.

messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by Peckhamrye 18 July, 2016 21:43

It is £10k from Southwark Council, not £65k, and the Lido project is now a CIC - a Community Interest Company which has its own legal responsibilities and accounting procedures, primarily answerable to Company Law.

messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by edhistory 18 July, 2016 21:47

10253304 was incorporated on 27 June.

Will all the money raised to date be placed here?

messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by Peckhamrye 18 July, 2016 22:14

Well, there is no legal reason why it should be - the question was asked about the Council's money, and that will go to the CIC because councils can't give money to non-constituted bodies. People, like me, who back crowdfund and spacehive projects like this do so knowing there is a risk - if they were solid gold copper bottomed money making machines the banks would fund them. These are projects designed by and for people to provide a service or commodity not make huge amounts of money.



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messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by edhistory 18 July, 2016 22:33

> council's can't give money to non-constituted bodies

Does anyone know which "constituted body" got the public money for the Coal Line project?

messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by Jeremy 19 July, 2016 09:17

edhistory Wrote:
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> That does not answer the question about which
> "legal person" will get the Southwark Council
> money.

edhistory Wrote:
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> Does anyone know which "constituted body" got the
> public money for the Coal Line project?

Why not get in touch with them via twitter if you have genuine concerns?

messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by edhistory 19 July, 2016 09:25

Do you know which organisation to get in touch with?

messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by Jeremy 19 July, 2016 10:06

I'm sure with a few simple enquiries via the published twitter/email details, they could tell you which legal entity is holding the funds.

I'm not sure why you haven't already done this, if your concerns are genuine.



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messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by Peckhamrye 19 July, 2016 13:32

Excellent! They have reached their target - let planning commence!

messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by ed_pete 19 July, 2016 13:59

Congratulations on reaching your target. Well done.

Jeremy - I think you know as well as I do that it's best just to ignore John K's attempts to infer some kind of corrupt embezzling of public funds until he can present some hard evidence at which point he'd be better off ringing the fraud squad.

messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by Jeremy 19 July, 2016 15:03

ed_pete - yes, I should have known better than to bite.

messageRe: Peckham Rye Lido
Posted by James Barber 19 July, 2016 20:54

Great news the target reached. Well done them.

Hi Louisa,
Yes the original Peckham Lido did close all those years ago. Probably the same council officers that while Lib Dems led the council kept telling us every year to close Camberwell Library and Leisure centre to save money.
Brockwell Lido is popular and fun and really trying to serve it local community and I'm sure a Peckham Lido would do the same very successfully.
For transparency I'm fortunate enough to make a small contribution to this funding raising for the full feasibility, planning permission, etc.

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Regards jamesvbarber@gmail.com
former Liberal Democrat Councillor for East Dulwich Ward (2006-2018)
[www.jamesbarber.org.uk]
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