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messageZero waste shop
Posted by JHMusic 26 February, 2018 23:09

Hi! A quick couple of questions to throw out there to anyone in ED/ Peckham who is interested in this sort of thing- would a zero waste/ no packaging/ refill/ bulk buy shop be of interest and what foodstuffs and drinks would people like to see sold there? I'm thinking along the lines of oils, grains, lentils,rice, nuts, salt, coffee, popcorn etc. Anything where you can bring your own bags and containers and load up as much or as little.

messageRe: Zero waste shop
Posted by Sue 27 February, 2018 06:30

I would be interested in this, however I'm not sure how feasible it would be.

You would presumably need premises to store the stock, and people to run the thing.

Would it be some sort of co-operative, or would it be making a profit for somebody?

Is there legislation around food storage?

I'm sure there are similar schemes elsewhere, so wheels wouldn't need to be invented.

I'd be interested for things like oats, oils, rice, lentils, seeds,however I would not be buying anything in huge quantities.

I wonder in these busy days how many people would make the time to use a scheme like this on top of their other shopping.

There is already a local group which buys in bulk from a wholefood company.



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Posted by beansprout 27 February, 2018 07:07

There is a group that has just set up in Herne Hill

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Posted by japseylarue 27 February, 2018 07:32

I'd be very interested in a shop selling goods like this. There used to be several years ago.

messageRe: Zero waste shop
Posted by kford 27 February, 2018 08:02

Try Naked Larder in Herne Hill

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Posted by isnottropical 27 February, 2018 09:09

Definitely would be interested in this

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Posted by budleigh 27 February, 2018 09:25

I would be very interested. There is one in Clapham, Hetu, which seems to work well = I would love one close by.

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Posted by almost peckham 27 February, 2018 09:42

Self and Mrs AP would use it.

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Posted by ken78 27 February, 2018 09:57

they had a shop like this in peckham years ago i think it was called weigh and save big tubs of nuts, rice,breakfast cereals. and a lot more.did not last long

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Posted by micromacromonkey 27 February, 2018 10:18

I think this would be a good idea. Especially if you could refill thing like hand soap, kitchen spray etc etc.

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Posted by B&G 27 February, 2018 10:21

We would definitely use it, particularly for oats, rice, pulses, seeds etc.

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Posted by B&G 27 February, 2018 10:23

Would also like to see a decent selection of cosmetics and cleaning products. There are two places on LL that do refills of cleaners (but each place only does about 3 items), but I'd love to see someone offering refills of hand soap, shampoo, shower gel, laundry detergent.

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Posted by Penguin68 27 February, 2018 10:28

When I was young most shops sold groceries loose, rice, sugar, dried pulses, raisins and currants etc. all spooned out of sacks, weighed and put into blue paper bags. Two things. The bags were of course unmarked, so what was in which was always a bit of a lottery, and you needed to check for dirt and mouse droppings. We then welcomed pre-packed, clean, dry goods when they came - and for that matter supermarkets where you didn't have to queue behind each counter to get served.

There is, of course, way too much packaging now, but in addressing that, do be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. 'Modern' ways of doings things came in for a reason.

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Posted by dbboy 27 February, 2018 11:28

A very simple solution exists, rather than manufacturers and supermarkets packaging all most everything in plastic/plastic wrap, they should wrap using paper based materials. The paper materials could then simply go into the recycling waste bins. It would make a huge difference.

If you go to a bakers they put the bread into a paper bag, likewise the green grocers put the veg into brown paper bags, the butchers put goods into plastic/paper so it is possible to wrap using paper rather than plastic.

At one time Lidl sold reusable paper carrier bags but since the 5p charge everything is plastic. BTW the quality of the 5p plastic bags seems to vary considerably.

It is possible but society has become to reliant on living a convenience lifestyle which resulted in so much plastic being used combined probably with the cheapness of plastic wrap in comparison to paper based materials.



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messageRe: Zero waste shop
Posted by hazelnunhead 27 February, 2018 13:18

I would be very interested in this. At the start of the year I have been trying to avoid buying products using single use plastic. This has proved much trickier than I thought although I have made some substantial changes to how we shop and what we use.
Unfortunately I have not been able to source pasta, rice, grains etc not wrapped in plastic.

messageRe: Zero waste shop
Posted by Calsug 27 February, 2018 13:55

It sounds like a great idea in theory but in practice it is a lot harder - When you say Zero waste, are you including the delivery of the produce to the store? Believe one shop has achieved no plastic and the produce is very expensive as a result - the supply chain really is not geared up to accommodate this kind of transportation. Basically you will buy a 50 kg PP bag of say oats wholesale and pour it into a shiny looking bin, then what do you do with the PP bag?

There is margin to be made for sure as you are basically becoming a repacker without the need to repack, but your goods are low value so you would have to sell a lot of oats!



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messageRe: Zero waste shop
Posted by zerkalo 27 February, 2018 14:17

It’s good to see that there is an interest in adopting more environmentally friendly ways of consumption – I’d also be interested in more local options being available. Though cutting down on plastic is probably harder than one might think - as this article clearly demonstrates: [www.theguardian.com])

Like one of those interviewed, I am also being encouraged by my partner to turn up to William Rose with my own (plastic, but reusable!) containers to avoid the single-use plastic bags they use.

The Store Cupboard at the Crystal Palace food market sell loose teas, spices, oats etc. The Wild Country Organics grocery stall there had a lengthy note explaining why they are using plastic to package their produce. According to a trial they had, customers prefer to buy foods wrapped in plastic than loose products. There were also other reasons as to why they are using plastic that had to do with keeping food fresh for longer.

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Posted by Angelina 27 February, 2018 15:00

I'd want to make sure it was hygienic - I have visions of people putting their hands in

messageRe: Zero waste shop
Posted by NewWave 27 February, 2018 16:20

Angelina Wrote:
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> I'd want to make sure it was hygienic - I have
> visions of people putting their hands in


And mice! there was a shop like this when I was a child in Notting hill, and mice were often to be seen scampering around.
My mum stopped buying from there when she found mouse poo in the rye flour

messageRe: Zero waste shop
Posted by hpsaucey 27 February, 2018 17:11

There’s one off Walworth Road too

messageRe: Zero waste shop
Posted by ianr 27 February, 2018 18:42

> Try Naked Larder in Herne Hill
[www.nakedlarder.co.uk]

> There’s one off Walworth Road too
[fareshares.org.uk]

messageRe: Zero waste shop
Posted by Sue 27 February, 2018 19:04

ianr Wrote:
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> > Try Naked Larder in Herne Hill
> [www.nakedlarder.co.uk]
>
> > There’s one off Walworth Road too
> [fareshares.org.uk]


Thanks ianr

Crikey, fareshares has been going since 1998!

They seem to have different models. There's a ten pound minimum "fee" for each order from nakedlarder, but I'm not sure quite how fareshares works. It seems to be by volunteers, and donations towards the running costs.

It would be great to have something like this a bit nearer.

messageRe: Zero waste shop
Posted by katanita 27 February, 2018 20:56

Definitely interested. This is a pretty well established business model now here in London (Hetu, Bulk Market in Dalston, Naked Larder etc) and elsewhere in the world, and given increasing interest in reducing waste I think it is the right time. I'm really keen for a place like this locally. Whether or not it can be truly "zero" waste or not would be much less of a concern than making significant progress in that direction. Would also be good if it could sell sustainable versions of single use beauty and healthcare products such as cotton pads etc.

Is this a serious speculation? ie, are you genuinely considering opening something?

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Posted by JHMusic 28 February, 2018 00:02

Hi, yes, I was thinking of opening a shop like this and yes, for profit, yes, 100% "zero waste" is perhaps a little optimistic and no, there wouldn't be any old school sacks of grains with grubby fingers and mice rummaging around! Great to hear the different points of view and interest, thank you.

messageRe: Zero waste shop
Posted by sparklehorse 28 February, 2018 07:26

Yes I'd love to have a place like this closer than Hetu. As others have said I'd use it for loose foods and for refills of toiletries and laundry / household cleaners.

There are also some other things like deodorant (in cardboard) and makeup without plastic that it would be great to be able to get locally.



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messageRe: Zero waste shop
Posted by Stacey Towle 01 March, 2018 11:27

I would absolutely love a place like this locally, bring your own tub/ jar type of places. I know the nearest shops like that around here are quite limited in what they stock, so you end up visiting a fair few for one weekly shop. It would be great to have under one roof household items and whole/dried foods without the unnecessary packaging.

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Posted by Caro9429 01 March, 2018 13:30

I'd use it for sure! So much packaging these days!!

messageRe: Zero waste shop
Posted by DK_87 02 March, 2018 08:54

I agree - I think it's a great idea

messageRe: Zero waste shop
Posted by Take Note 02 March, 2018 11:47

I would, too. There was an article in the Guardian about waste and it mentioned places where you can refill detergents etc, but I never knew they existed.

messageRe: Zero waste shop
Posted by Flux capacitor 04 March, 2018 06:12

"London's first zero waste store" food for thought... [www.treehugger.com]

I would like to see reasonably priced coconut milk/oil, kafir lime leaves in bulk, (shiitake) mushrooms dried. Perhaps Chinese tea gojiberries or another superfood.

Flux

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