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messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by Abe_froeman June 07, 09:31AM

Are you actually just trolling now?

messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by slarti b June 11, 10:33PM

jamesmcash Wrote:
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> Hi all
>
> Regarding the DV figures - as I have said already, my understanding is that the figures are not from
> a period when there were road works. If you think that that is untrue then I suggest you lodge a
> complaint with the council. I'd be happy to support anyone with this - just drop me an email.
>

James,
The council has now admitted the figure for the 47% traffic increase used a base when there WERE road works. They also claim this had no affect on the traffic, even though it resulted in a 33% decrease on the previous year.

I am glad to hear you will support us in making a complaint but how do we lodge a complaint against the council and on what grounds? That the Council officers misled the councillors or that the Dulwich Village Ward Councillors misled their constituents?

messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by Abe_froeman June 12, 12:31PM

If that is true then it sounds like someone lied to James too.

"Posted by jamesmcash May 04, 07:18PM

Hi all

I have checked and apparently the baseline measurements were carried out from 28th September to 16th October 2015, when there were no road works."

messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by rahrahrah June 12, 02:43PM

How about fixing this glaring hole in the provision of Santander bikes?




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messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by rahrahrah June 12, 03:22PM

As we don't have tube stations, cycle superhighways, any of the other London wide dockless bike hire schemes.... as there are no extensions to pavements, or temporary segregated bike lanes... Perhaps we could just get some Santander bikes? I'm not sure whether TFL and Southwark are aware, but we do also pay taxes in the south of the borough.



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messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by Abe_froeman June 12, 03:49PM

If we close enough roads and put in CPZs everywhere people will buy their own bikes!!

messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by first mate June 12, 06:48PM

I would far rather the council had just waited to see if many more people did cycle...there is a huge health imperative to do that now, and then those left over would be those that really do need to drive, whether for work or personal health reasons. We might anyway have reached the desired low traffic situation locally and therefore have no need of CPZ. I feel the council cannot bear to lose that potential revenue and hence the real reason for school streets etc now in order to create that additional parking pressure, when, apparently, schools are not going back for some time.

I am even beginning to wonder if having CPZ makes people more not less likely to hold onto their cars because it amps up competition for car parking spaces and a sense that cars are necessary and a fear that people might lose out.

messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by slarti b June 12, 06:58PM

The map of the Santander bike stations is pretty revealing,virtually no stations East and South of the A3 (CLapham Rd, Common, etc) and A2 (Old KEnt Road)

[tfl.gov.uk]

I guess that Santander bike use would be very much based around commuters cycling to and from eg Herne Hill, Brixton East& North Dulwich stations. If so, would this sort of tidal flow work well or leave, eg bike stations in Dulwich empty during the day?

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Posted by Siduhe June 12, 08:29PM

For the background as to why no hire cycles in Southwark see here - [www.citymetric.com]

The scheme involves elements of council-funded “pay to play” (or at least did in 2015) - and the reported figures that other councils have paid to get the scheme extended to their area aren’t small.

messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by first mate June 13, 07:40AM

The extremely steep hills at either end of ED ( Dog Kennel and Forest ) are quite likely a factor as to why more people do not cycle to commute, even Greendale involves a hill. Add in rain and wind and it is a rare cyclist that’ll go those routes day in day out, especially on a ‘heavy’ hire bike.

This is why it is irritating that cyclists who do not live in the area have been able to access the consultation process to push CPZ.

Don’t know why Southwark has been unwilling to invest in Santander bikes elsewhere in the borough though.

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messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by jamesmcash June 15, 01:55PM

Hello all,

I hope everyone is well.

slarti b and abe_froeman
As I said, I was told that the baseline measurement was not during road works. Has the council now said that this isn't the case? If so then yes I was given the wrong information too! I very much doubt that anyone was misled intentionally though.

Santander cycles
Let me look into this.

Best wishes
James

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messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by rahrahrah June 16, 09:45AM

first mate Wrote:
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> The extremely steep hills at either end of ED (
> Dog Kennel and Forest ) are quite likely a factor
> as to why more people do not cycle to commute,
> even Greendale involves a hill. Add in rain and
> wind and it is a rare cyclist that’ll go those
> routes day in day out, especially on a ‘heavy’
> hire bike.
>
> This is why it is irritating that cyclists who do
> not live in the area have been able to access the
> consultation process to push CPZ.
>
> Don’t know why Southwark has been unwilling to
> invest in Santander bikes elsewhere in the borough
> though.

Hire bikes are intended for shop journeys (i.e. cycling to Brixton tube, Herne Hill or Peckham), or just the local ED shops and back).

There are lot's of people who also make the longer journey into central London on their own bikes every day (myself included). You can easily avoid going over Denmark Hill.

messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by rahrahrah June 16, 09:46AM

... although, the CPZ has nothing to do with encouraging cycling (if anything, it makes it more attractive for households to keep a car).

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Posted by Rockets June 16, 09:49AM

All,
If you actually want your voice heard look here and sign-up - a fantastic, non-political, pragmatic group taking a balanced approach to the road challenges around Dulwich. It was set-up by people who were fed-up with the council's reluctance to engage in a balanced area-wide debate on traffic issues.

[www.onedulwich.uk]

156 people have registered thus far and hopefully this will create the leverage needed to get our councillors to finally start taking a more democratic approach to these issues.

And James, you were misled - the baseline measurement was during the road works - perhaps you would like to investigate further and let us know what you find out?

messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by rahrahrah June 16, 09:51AM

They appear to be a group looking to water down the already depressingly timid efforts of Southwark to improve the environment.

Rockets Wrote:
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> All,
> If you actually want your voice heard look here
> and sign-up - a fantastic, non-political,
> pragmatic group taking a balanced approach to the
> road challenges around Dulwich. It was set-up by
> people who were fed-up with the council's
> reluctance to engage in a balanced area-wide
> debate on traffic issues.
>
> [www.onedulwich.uk]
>
> 156 people have registered thus far and hopefully
> this will create the leverage needed to get our
> councillors to finally start taking a more
> democratic approach to these issues.
>
> And James, you were misled - the baseline
> measurement was during the road works - perhaps
> you would like to investigate further and let us
> know what you find out?

messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by Rockets June 16, 11:52AM

In your world maybe, to others they are taking the balanced, rounded and pragmatic approach that the council should have taken from the outset - acknowledging that traffic is an issue but being smart enough to realise that just blocking roads is not the solution - it just pushes the problem elsewhere.

They make it very clear that their objectives are aligned to that of the council - it's just the implementation and execution of the strategy that they are questioning.

156 people have registered their support thus far and I am sure many more who are fed-up with the way the council handles these issues will join. There is growing anger and frustration at the way the council manages these consultations - they would be well-advised to take note and course-correct quickly.

messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by rahrahrah June 16, 02:04PM

Don't get me wrong - I think the Council's approach is far from ideal. But the biggest problem is how little they are doing and how slowly they are moving to solve the problem of local pollution and dearth of decent alternatives to the car.

messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by notiti June 17, 09:11AM

Hi James,

This morning we woke up to the dulcet tones of a tree removal on Shawbury Road. The tree appears totally healthy and when asked the surgeons didn't know why it was coming down. It was a gorgeous healthy large tree so this is disappointing, especially as this is the second tree on the street we have lost recently. (The other was hollow and needed removal, but still.) We have noticed that next to the first removed tree there is some spray paint that says "tree" and were hoping it was going to be replaced but it has been months. Any idea if this is another case where we are going to be left with a stump?

I know this is a small question and you have a lot on, but trees really do make a difference to an area and two is a lot to lose.

Thanks for your time,

Eleanor

messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by jamesmcash June 17, 09:59AM

Hi notiti

That's odd - I don't know of any planned tree removals on Shawbury Road. Let me look into it.

Best wishes
James

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messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by Abe_froeman June 17, 11:30AM

Hi James, did you get anywhere with the dates the council gave on traffic numbers in the so-called "healthy streets" consultation?

messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by slarti b June 18, 12:00AM

jamesmcash Wrote:
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> As I said, I was told that the baseline measurement was not during road works. Has the council now said that this
>isn't the case? If so then yes I was given the wrong information too! I very much doubt that anyone was misled
>intentionally though.

James, Thanks for responding on this, much appreciated. It is a shame your fellow Councillors in Village Ward aren't prepared to come on here.

And yes, a council officer has now confirmed that the base period for the traffic measurements was indeed during the road works but astonishingly claims this didn't affect the traffic volumes. Given the huge disruption caused by the road works, resulting in a 33% reduction on the previous year this is clearly and demonstrably false. That a Council officer, apparently a traffic engineer, can put forward such a specious argument is in itself a cause for major concern.

In terms of your fellow councillors, they gave huge prominence to the "47% increase" at the public meetings and used this alleged increase as the reason for the failure of Southwarks previous remodelling of the DV junction (In reality of course, traffic has decreased but Southwark made things worse). Surely they should have verified those figures before using them, it didn't take me long to work out they were not right? I suppose it is just about possible they didn't realise the figures were misleading but they were queried and then challenged on them and kept insisting that the figures were fully comparable.

So, either your fellow councillors are naive, unable to recognise obvious inconsistencies, have no understanding of the traffic flows around the junction, incapable of looking at data themselves, unwilling to listen to anything which challenges their own pre-conceptions or... they were misleading us. In either case this is unacceptable behaviour.

Sadly we are seeing this misuse of statistics continue with the draft results of the consultation. The councillors, while claiming there is a majority in favour of the closure of the junction, are refusing to release the results from within the actual consultation area. Quite frankly this is as bad as Hancock's figures on Covid tests.

btw you may wish to feedback to your fellow councillors that their patronising, aggressive, evasive, deceitful and sometimes abusive emails are not persuading constituents to accept their dogmatic view. They may want to think about the next council elections - not a party political point btw, I will vote for people who stand up best for my local interests.



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messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by slarti b June 18, 12:33AM

rahrahrah Wrote:
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> They appear to be a group looking to water down the already depressingly timid efforts of
> Southwark to improve the environment.

Rahrah, you may not be aware of the history. This low traffic neighbourhood scheme, or a very similar one, was first proposed by local residents 5 years ago as an alternative to the councils changes to the DV junction (which have, not surprisingly, failed). The council refused to consider them as too ambitious. What the council is now proposing is not that different but, critically, adds a full closure at the DV junction. This is, unneccessary, disproportionate and seems to be a vanity project with an undeclared agenda to create a Newens\Leeming square.

If the councillors were prepared to work with residents in the consultation area they could come up with a scheme that would adress teh junction issues and be accepted by their constituents. Sadly, up to now they have preferred to try and impose their dogmatic views with the assistance of external pressure groups and misleading statistics.

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Posted by Abe_froeman June 18, 10:36AM

They seem to be under a huge amount of pressure from two pressure groups, one called "Clean Air for Dulwich" and the other "Southwark Cyclists".

messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by Rockets June 18, 11:14AM

Not sure how the council officer can claim there was no impact on traffic flow through Dulwich Village during the roadworks to build the last phase - here are the council's own figures (you can clearly see where the 40% "increase" comes from):


2014 = 15,414 movements
2015 = 15,055
2016 = 14,822
2017 = 10,007 low because of works to DV
2018 = 14,375 estimate because they changed the reporting basis
2019 not yet published


And remember, since the last round of works were completed the council's own report also says that there has been a "moderate" increase in NO2 levels around the junction - so their last round of Healthy Streets tinkering has actually caused an increase in pollution.

messageRe: Goose Green councillors - how can we help?
Posted by first mate June 18, 03:35PM

But this is probably a desired aim so they can then justify further tinkering because of increased air pollution.

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Posted by jamesmcash June 19, 06:22PM

Hi all

slarti b - would you mind sending this information over to me so I can look at it myself?

Best wishes
James

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