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messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by Abe_froeman 29 October, 2018 15:48

If what James Barber says is correct then I suspect this bus route is doomed, because you won't see labour councillors going up against a labour mayor.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by Jennys 29 October, 2018 17:06

I am also totally opposed to any change to the 40 bus route.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by JohnL 29 October, 2018 17:41

ed26 Wrote:
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> Interesting comments from James Barber re TfL's
> funding. Didn't spending money that we haven't
> earned yet almost bankrupt the country in the late
> 2000s, leading to that shameful "Iím afraid there
> is no money. Kind regards Ė and good luck!" note?
> Now London has done exactly the same thing.
>
> It reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Homer
> runs for Springfield council by making
> unaffordable promises:
> [en.wikipedia.org]


Don't fall for this - the bad debt that caused the 2008 crash was financial implements to do with property speculation etc which were wrapped up and sold on. If anything it was lack of regulation - but politicians didn't seem to understand what was going on.

[www.theguardian.com]

Anyway this government has just spent a little by the sound of Spreadsheet Phil.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by Zebedee Tring 29 October, 2018 19:55

I am strongly against the proposed rerouting of the 40 bus.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by Miacis 30 October, 2018 07:06

Guy's is now main cancer treatment centre for SE London. Recently diagnosed, I know that I will need to use 40 rather than train to get to outpatients for chemo. Shorter walk to bus stop, no need to change and pretty much guaranteed a seat make it the only realistic alternative to a cab.

If you're fit and well the train to lb is faster if more expensive. It's a completely different prospect if you're unwell or just slow on your pins

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by pearl1 30 October, 2018 07:22

There are often no trains from East Dulwich at the weekend. The 40 is a necessary route. It should not be changed.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by natty01295 30 October, 2018 09:51

Contact us TFL About Buses;

[tfl.gov.uk]

Make a Complaint;

[tfl.gov.uk]

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by rendelharris 30 October, 2018 10:06

Miacis Wrote:
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> Guy's is now main cancer treatment centre for SE
> London. Recently diagnosed, I know that I will
> need to use 40 rather than train to get to
> outpatients for chemo. Shorter walk to bus stop,
> no need to change and pretty much guaranteed a
> seat make it the only realistic alternative to a
> cab.
>
> If you're fit and well the train to lb is faster
> if more expensive. It's a completely different
> prospect if you're unwell or just slow on your
> pins

Sorry to hear of your diagnosis - would the 42 be any help to you? Get on at Sainsbury's, ED station or outside ED hospital, if you get off at Druid Street you're less than half a mile from Guy's cancer centre (which I know can seem a marathon in the midst of chemo). Wishing you a swift and full recovery.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by PSJ 02 November, 2018 11:47

It is really quick and easy to fill in the consultation (https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/central-london/?cid=central-london-bus-consultation), and you have until Nov 9 - why not just do it quickly now so you don't have to kick yourself after Nov 10 for not having done it in time?

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by DulwichBorn&Bred 03 November, 2018 11:46

Iíve done it so I hope everyone else has too!

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by Elphinstone's Army 03 November, 2018 17:42

We have all (four of us) filled in the consultation form, 'cos every opinion counts.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by Michael Palaeologus 04 November, 2018 14:16

Opposed.

Any bus change at the Elephant would be chaotic, onward buses arriving at the Elephant would already be full.

Councillors, pull your finger out and reflect the views of your registered voters.

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messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by ed26 04 November, 2018 17:23

@Michael Palaeologus - I don't think they want to.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by clairedaly 05 November, 2018 20:35

I absolutely oppose this change as I depend on bus route 40

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by Bubbles 06 November, 2018 19:55

100% opposed to any changes to the 40 bus route.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by Sonners 06 November, 2018 20:07

I have been sharing the consultation links on various Facebook groups. I hope enough opposition is being drummed up against the 40 being changed.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by ab29 07 November, 2018 18:31

The most ridiculous idea - as the transport links n Dulwich weren't already bad enough!

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by pebs 07 November, 2018 20:16

you know they are going to do this already - fiat accompli ... deeply frustrating

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by Miacis 08 November, 2018 07:09

Have responded and added comments around disability impact to equality impact section. Would ask others to do the same.

This really is a major issue for patients attending Guy's. The 42 bus is just not a reasonable alternative. I know it's hard to imagine but if you're not well or suffering from side effects of chemo 100 meters is a very long way (a marathon as said above) let alone trying to navigate crowded places such as London Bridge or bus interchanges.

Thanks all

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by Siduhe 08 November, 2018 10:09

I recently made a enquiry/complaint to TFL about the increased number of buses I've been on terminating early at rush hour - spurred on by a day when I got on 3 x 63 buses one after the other and none of them ran beyond Blackfriars

I got the usual brush off reply but it had some interesting stuff in it, relevant to the plans for the number 40. TFL's view is that the way to keep buses running to time with less resources is to run shorter bus routes and require passengers to change at least once (but up to two times is considered acceptable) to get to destinations that used to be served by a single route. Their theory is that it's the long bus routes that cause delays overall and that running shorter routes and requiring people to change more is the way to keep things running smoothly and "to provide maximum service to the main and busiest parts of the route". Which is exactly what they are proposing with the 40.

To the comment above, that seems to assume that everyone is able to navigate multiple buses with limited allowance for people with disabilities, prams, luggage and that it will be possible to change onto other buses at peak times.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by singalto 08 November, 2018 12:10

I got on the 40 towards Dulwich Library a few days ago and it suddenly terminated at Ondine road! No explanation. The bus then drove up LL.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by bloodoranges 08 November, 2018 14:20

massively opposed - have filled it out.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by El Presidente 08 November, 2018 15:10

Siduhe Wrote:
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> I recently made a enquiry/complaint to TFL about
> the increased number of buses I've been on
> terminating early at rush hour - spurred on by a
> day when I got on 3 x 63 buses one after the other
> and none of them ran beyond Blackfriars
>
> I got the usual brush off reply but it had some
> interesting stuff in it, relevant to the plans for
> the number 40. TFL's view is that the way to keep
> buses running to time with less resources is to
> run shorter bus routes and require passengers to
> change at least once (but up to two times is
> considered acceptable) to get to destinations that
> used to be served by a single route. Their theory
> is that it's the long bus routes that cause delays
> overall and that running shorter routes and
> requiring people to change more is the way to keep
> things running smoothly and "to provide maximum
> service to the main and busiest parts of the
> route". Which is exactly what they are proposing
> with the 40.
>
> To the comment above, that seems to assume that
> everyone is able to navigate multiple buses with
> limited allowance for people with disabilities,
> prams, luggage and that it will be possible to
> change onto other buses at peak times.

The 63 is particularly bad for this. Used to happen all the time when i got it. The 40 less so. It's a good service usually, which makes it all the more annoying that they are getting rid of it. And it seems our local councillors are twiddling their thumbs doing nothing about it...

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by Elphinstone's Army 08 November, 2018 19:37

Councillors, MP's, where art thou ?? c'mon now, show us your mettle, spare the 40.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by dbboy 08 November, 2018 19:58

I believe buses are controlled by something called "Ibus", a controller who monitors where buses are in there journey compared to where they should be plus in the cab is a device that seems to allow the driver see where they should be. This can result in buses crawling between stops as a P13 did yesterday from Underhill Road to Lordship Lane at which point it returned to "normal" speed. You'll here a message broadcast on the bus saying "this bus has been instructed to wait here to even out the service". The driver puts out this message so they can "legitimately" wait at a bus stop for a few minutes. Really annoying when it happens and being turfed off early because the bus is terminating earlier than its destination is even more annoying. Its apparently called progress, yeah, right, I'd quite happy describe it as something else though. Little us the paying public can do about it.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by Sally Eva 09 November, 2018 09:09

TFL is run by the mayor. The Greater London Assembly members would probably be the people to contact for assistance.

The Southwark member is Florence Eshalomi. Caroline Pigeon who is on the Transport Cttee is a former Southwark councillor.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by jamesmcash 09 November, 2018 16:56

Hi all

The Southwark Labour Group, which comprises the 49 Labour Councillors in Southwark, opposes these cuts to bus services, including the rerouting of the 40. The Council has submitted a consultation response to this effect.

This will be discussed at the next Council Assembly and I will be asking the Southwark Cabinet member about what we are doing locally on this issue, in particular with regard to the number 40.

Best wishes
James

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messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by rendelharris 09 November, 2018 17:43

dbboy Wrote:
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> I believe buses are controlled by something called
> "Ibus", a controller who monitors where buses are
> in there journey compared to where they should be
> plus in the cab is a device that seems to allow
> the driver see where they should be. This can
> result in buses crawling between stops as a P13
> did yesterday from Underhill Road to Lordship Lane
> at which point it returned to "normal" speed.
> You'll here a message broadcast on the bus saying
> "this bus has been instructed to wait here to even
> out the service". The driver puts out this message
> so they can "legitimately" wait at a bus stop for
> a few minutes. Really annoying when it happens and
> being turfed off early because the bus is
> terminating earlier than its destination is even
> more annoying. Its apparently called progress,
> yeah, right, I'd quite happy describe it as
> something else though. Little us the paying public
> can do about it.

Yes it is annoying having to wait, but don't you remember when we would all moan about how one would wait half an hour and then three buses turn up at once? That virtually never happens now and in my experience the buses are much more regular and evenly spaced these days, a few minutes waiting at a stop is a reasonable price to pay for that I feel. No excuse for terminating services early though.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by dbboy 09 November, 2018 19:41

Have to disagree, often see buses in bunches

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by ed26 09 November, 2018 20:44

Thank you James. Good to know you are supporting us.

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