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messageTfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by Bic Basher 28 September, 2018 10:40

A consultation on major bus changes is happening from today. TfL plan to cut or reroute 34 bus routes in central London as cuts in funding start to bite.

As part of the plans, they plan to reroute the 40 away from London Bridge, instead running along Blackfriars Road to Blackfriars and then to Clerkenwell Green. This would lead to ED no longer having a direct bus service to London Bridge, which is handy when the trains are down.

Nearby changes also include extending the 343 to Aldgate, running via Tower Bridge after City Hall.

Full details at [consultations.tfl.gov.uk]

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by se22cat 28 September, 2018 10:57

That's crazy, and surely the entire point of the route???

I love the 40, it has some of the nicest drivers and is such a great route. Seeing how many city workers there are in ED it's really going to hit the local people if this goes ahead and it'll just cause huge crowding at the Elephant nad Castle stop, bloody idiots!

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by fishbiscuits 28 September, 2018 11:25

se22cat Wrote:
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> Seeing how many city
> workers there are in ED it's really going to hit
> the local people if this goes ahead

Blackfriars is not too bad for most areas of the city.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by se22cat 28 September, 2018 11:28

No good if you are going to Guy's hospital though.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by El Presidente 28 September, 2018 11:46

This is terrible news. When the trains are bad this is the only route into the heart of the City for many.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by BrandNewGuy 28 September, 2018 12:25

This was covered on the forum a month or so ago but the search function is so crappy I can't find it... Here's the relevant part of TFL's consultation:
[consultations.tfl.gov.uk]

Effectively, the journey to London Bridge will be in two legs with a change at Elephant. TFL propose to increase the frequency of the No. 35 to take up the slack.

This isn't ideal, but TFL argue that demand is down on many of these routes and, with the new Hopper fare, it won't impact users financially. And this is only a further example of the long-term trend of breaking down long routes into shorter ones to take into account different demand on different sections of the journey. For instance, the No. 12 used to run all the way to Shepherds Bush.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by Sue 28 September, 2018 12:29

That's crap. Changing at the Elephant (or Camberwell Green, for the 35) is just a pain sad smiley

Although having a direct bus to Clerkenwell could be handy, come to think of it .....

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by JohnL 28 September, 2018 12:29

I heard 171 might be losing a large part of the route too (It's not really ED - but I use it)

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by fishbiscuits 28 September, 2018 12:36

se22cat Wrote:
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> No good if you are going to Guy's hospital though.

South side of Blackfriars bridge is not far at all from Guys. (Unless you have mobility issues of course)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was 2018:09:28:16:25:14 by fishbiscuits.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by Bic Basher 28 September, 2018 14:05

JohnL Wrote:
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> I heard 171 might be losing a large part of the
> route too (It's not really ED - but I use it)

It's being curtailed to the Elephant.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by siousxiesue 28 September, 2018 14:28

El Presidente Wrote:
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> This is terrible news. When the trains are bad
> this is the only route into the heart of the City
> for many.


The route to Blackfriers is dreadfully slow now with the cycle highway, this will make it much worse

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by se22cat 28 September, 2018 14:29

Blackfriars to Guy's is a lot worse than from where the 40 stops, and it's the only bus that goes directly there from ED. If you are going to hospital, there's something wrong with you so of course it's an issue.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by dbboy 28 September, 2018 14:47

It means south east London will be LESS well served for bus services and ber in mind we do not have a underground, with the exception of the already overcrowded London Overground. If these changes will affect you please take the time to respond to the consultation.

Also see [consultations.tfl.gov.uk]

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by ed26 28 September, 2018 15:00

This is mad. One of the delights of living in this area is that there is a direct bus over almost every Central London road bridge. If they cancel the 40, there will be nothing between Tower Bridge (78) and Blackfriars Bridge. Worse for anyone not in walking distance of the 78.

Changing bus in E&C is already a scrum, so this will make it even worse.

SE22 will have too many buses over Blackfriars Bridge as the 63/363 already head over that route frequently (although I appreciate that that route isn't much use for anyone the other side of Lordship Lane).

Personally, I use the 40 several times a week as I travel almost the entire route, meaning that I'm almost certain to get a seat at both ends. It means that I get a lot of notes and proof-reading done on the bus, allowing me to spend more time at home with the family.

I have completed the consultation with my thoughts.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by DulwichBorn&Bred 28 September, 2018 15:44

I have emailed my opposition to the 40 bus route change since I use the 40 often.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by KidKruger 28 September, 2018 15:56

wow ED is turning into a provincial enclave, forget getting a tube, we're losing our buses !

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by BrandNewGuy 28 September, 2018 16:01

One compromise suggestion might be terminating the 40 at London Bridge. It's only five stops beyond E&C but would make a big difference to those travelling to the City.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by DulwichFox 28 September, 2018 16:19

This is bad News. The 40 is a useful route for East Dulwich residents..

The plans from TFL affect 33 routes..

[www.standard.co.uk]

DulwichFox

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by Bic Basher 28 September, 2018 20:17

TfL are planning to keep a direct bus link between Elephant and Aldgate with the 343. It may be better if they swapped the plans for the 343 with the 40, so the 343 goes to Clerkenwell Green instead.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by pebs 28 September, 2018 22:51

Nooooooo!!!

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by pebs 29 September, 2018 10:27

Time for our councillors to step up. Where are they on this???

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by se22cat 29 September, 2018 11:07

Seems they predictably prefer taking the gravy train rather than buses.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by Jim1234 29 September, 2018 11:15

Isn't this actually a good thing? It's currently pretty tricky to reach blackfriars from ED. Now that 'hopper' fairs mean you don't need to pay to change bus you can take any bus to elephant and change.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by KidKruger 29 September, 2018 12:07

Blackfriars is easy from ED.
Stroll to PR and get train - takes 13mins. Which more than makes up for the stroll when compared to bus journey time.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by JoeLeg 29 September, 2018 12:46

What if you live further up Lordship Lane, towards the library?

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by singalto 29 September, 2018 13:30

The trains fron ED are so unreliable so the 40 is a really useful bus. I donít begin to understand why they want to change the route.. I have filled in the online consultation form although I canít imagine it will do any good.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by jamesmcash 30 September, 2018 14:04

Hi all

Thanks for sharing this on here Bic Basher.

The proposal to change the 40's route certainly seems to have its pros and cons. I would be interested to see the outcome of the consultation before making up my mind about whether or not to support it. The more people we can encourage to complete it the better.

And for what it's worth, I use the bus network every day to get to work. That said, I am also quite fond of gravy smiling smiley

Best wishes
James

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messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by KidKruger 30 September, 2018 14:06

any such consultation is surely a tick-box exercise. why on earth would actual no.40 passengers' views be considered relevant !

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by KrackersMaracas 30 September, 2018 14:25

Cynical me wonders if this has been done to try and ease some of the pressure off the appalling Denmark hill to Farringdon train service....

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by nxjen 30 September, 2018 15:53

I believe that it is proposed that the 45 which currently runs up Blackfriars Road to Kings Cross will terminate at Elephant and Castle so I guess the rerouting of the no 40 is to replace the northern end of that route.

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