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messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by El Presidente 01 October, 2018 11:35

jamesmcash Wrote:
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> Hi all
>
> Thanks for sharing this on here Bic Basher.
>
> The proposal to change the 40's route certainly
> seems to have its pros and cons. I would be
> interested to see the outcome of the consultation
> before making up my mind about whether or not to
> support it. The more people we can encourage to
> complete it the better.
>
> And for what it's worth, I use the bus network
> every day to get to work. That said, I am also
> quite fond of gravy smiling smiley
>
> Best wishes
> James

Er, if you want to change the outcome of the consultation, you don't wait until the consultation is finished and a decision is made to come up with an opinion. I think many people who use the route now would welcome interventions from Councillors before TFL have formally decided.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by se22cat 01 October, 2018 11:42

James Barber would never have taken this stance. We miss you James!!!

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by singalto 01 October, 2018 14:00

I agree! You wouldnít wait until seeing election results before deciding who to vote for!

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by Cora 01 October, 2018 19:55

I think James is still up for helping out with local issues...James are you there?...any thoughts?

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by 006andahalf 02 October, 2018 15:57

OK, as I understand it (and please correct me if I'm wrong) the proposed scenario is that the 45 will terminate at E&C rather than go to Kings Cross and the 40's route will be taken away from a heavily used commuter route into the City and changed to go to a route which is already currently served by the 45 and the 63. So, we're taking away a very much needed route into the City to give to a route that is already served. I honestly can't understand the reasoning behind this - although TFL's headquarters are directly opposite Southwark Tube Station so maybe whoever they consulted just fancied an easier journey into work.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by rch 02 October, 2018 16:30

The other problem with diverting the 40 away from London Bridge is that this current route also makes it easier for residents in Dulwich to get to the council's main office in Tooley Street for planning and licensing meetings, as well as meetings with council officers. The 40's route up Lordship Lane straight to London Bridge, without having to change buses, is far more reliable and economical than using the trains or ping-ponging bus routes. So, those of us in the south of the borough will suffer most... especially since we don't have any council offices or meeting facilities down here (and Peckham is another nightmare to get to by bus).

On one hand the council keeps saying that they want to get Dulwich/East Dulwich residents out of their cars but, on the other hand, public transportation is becoming increasingly more obtuse.

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Robin
Twitter: @ex_cllr_rch

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by jamesmcash 03 October, 2018 17:57

Hi all

The initial impression I got from this thread was that there were mixed feelings about whether the proposed route was preferable to the existing one. Hence, my suggestion that I would be keen to see what the balance of opinion is. The results of the consultation are released before the final decision is made. Given that this is not an issue of principle my intention was to support whichever outcome looks like it will have the most positive impact on the local community.

However, I recognise and appreciate the point that an intervention from local councillors will have a greater impact if it is early in the process. So I am going to ask around further and listen to the opinions of local residents - including on here - and discuss the issue with my fellow councillors with the aim of submitting a collective consultation response based on local community opinion and what will have the best outcome for Goose Green residents.

Best wishes,
James

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James.McAsh@Southwark.gov.uk
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messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by dbboy 03 October, 2018 18:04

Is it not clear for you cllr. from this thread that people are opposed to the planned changes or am I misreading this thread?

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by louisemurray 03 October, 2018 18:11

For clarity I am totally against the proposed rerouting. THat London Bridge connection should stay

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by singalto 03 October, 2018 19:15

I am totally against the change of route.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by kiera 03 October, 2018 19:27

I agree with previous comments, that we do not want the proposed changes to the no.40 bus route. Given that we are an area of London which is particularly dependent on buses, it is wrong to truncate our only bus route to London Bridge.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by jrpfinch 03 October, 2018 19:34

I would be surprised if the density of offices around the Blackfriars end of the city is anywhere near as high as the density of offices around the London Bridge end, particularly with all the new towers going up. So it doesnít make sense to me to substitute one for the other, particularly when Thameslink already serves Blackfriars from South East London.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by Elphinstone's Army 03 October, 2018 20:59

jamesmcash Wrote:
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> Hi all
>
> The initial impression I got from this thread was
> that there were mixed feelings about whether the
> proposed route was preferable to the existing one.
> Hence, my suggestion that I would be keen to see
> what the balance of opinion is. The results of the
> consultation are released before the final
> decision is made. Given that this is not an issue
> of principle my intention was to support whichever
> outcome looks like it will have the most positive
> impact on the local community.
>
> However, I recognise and appreciate the point that
> an intervention from local councillors will have a
> greater impact if it is early in the process. So I
> am going to ask around further and listen to the
> opinions of local residents - including on here -
> and discuss the issue with my fellow councillors
> with the aim of submitting a collective
> consultation response based on local community
> opinion and what will have the best outcome for
> Goose Green residents.
>
> Best wishes,
> James




We need this bus to access :

LB statione - especally when there are no trains from East Dulwich for whatever reason
Guy's
Southwark Cathedral
Borough Market
Tate
many cultural destinations
Tooley Street
and into the City ...

We have a paucity of transport options or combinations from East Dulwich, directly north - hobbling this service seems so perverse.

or as kiera said (just read your comment - truncate - good word)

He who hesitates is lost.


missed a bit - I am therefore totally opposing changes to the 40 bus route,
you know,
if it works don't fix it ??!!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was 2018:10:03:21:25:27 by Elphinstone's Army.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by Sonners 03 October, 2018 20:59

I am opposed too as you can get the 63 to Blackfriars! I love the 40 as it is, it is my most used bus route...

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by DulwichBorn&Bred 03 October, 2018 21:09

Completely opposed to changing the 40 bus route.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by goblinqueen 03 October, 2018 22:23

I am completely opposed to these changes and have completed the consultation. I use this route to commute to London Bridge and it is pretty packed during rush hour, this has increased over the years not decreased, no doubt the crap train service from ED to LB have played a part in this. It's not like we have or are in consideration for a Tube station so our options are already limited. Taking away this busy route makes no sense whatsoever.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by treehugger 04 October, 2018 07:52

I am totally opposed to this change of route. We can get the 63/363 (good bus routes) into Blackfriars, and don't need another one. The 40 is the only bus that goes into the City, where a lot of people in ED work.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by JohnL 04 October, 2018 09:56

TFL don't always listen to consultations when money is involved smiling smiley

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by Pugwash 04 October, 2018 13:18

keep the 40 route as it is. As I have mobility problems I find it difficult to get on the train at ED as gap between platform and train is too great so rely on 40 bus to get to London Bridge.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by Ace77 05 October, 2018 22:40

This is a terrible idea.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by Curmudgeon 06 October, 2018 05:53

The 40 is the only bus to the city and the trains have already been decimated

Completely opposed

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by BeadyBoo 06 October, 2018 06:49

I just completed the online form adding comments as to why I want the current 40 route to remain. Anyone who uses Southern knows how unreliable the rail service can be and this bus route is a an efficient way to get to London Bridge, that or bike or cab !

Donít wait until itís gone.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by heartblock 06 October, 2018 09:36

Iím completely opposed. I live in the ward that James is a councillor, one I voted for and posted leaflets through many doors for, so I hope he pays attention.

My partner depends on the 40 to work in a homeless project near LB. without the 40 his already long shifts would be longer due to lack of transport options. The 40 needs to remain the same.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by rendelharris 06 October, 2018 10:03

I don't support this change but just so people are aware, the 343 which runs from Nunhead along the east side of Peckham Rye park then past PR station goes to London Bridge.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by sparklehorse 08 October, 2018 10:17

I'm also completely opposed to this change. There needs to be a direct bus service from ED to London Bridge.

Also it seems perverse that they propose that the new route would go along Blackfriars, when elsewhere in the consultation they argue that there are already too many routes along Blackfriars.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by James Barber 08 October, 2018 12:19

Great to see many saying they've completed the consultation. Please spread the details to friends and family to maximise responses. I've personally responded against this change and will be doing so on behalf of the local Lib Dems.

People decide where to live in a balance of public and private transport options to live, work and play alongside work, school and recreation considerations. A number of people will be here in East Dulwich based on where buses can take them. For many changing buses to get from East Dulwich to wherever wasn't part of the equation. So these proposals will have a huge impact on many for no obvious gain - if you wanted to travel directly by bus to Clerkenwell you probably don't live here.

Background is the 2016 London mayoral elections all candidate knew that the government subsidy for London public transport was going to be massively cut. The current mayor knew this and also made an election commitment to freeze fares without mentioning the method of achieving this - beware politicians offering freebies. He was relying on Crossrail being delivered on time, which is forecast to generate almost £1bn of revenue pa, filling that subsidy cut. Sadly the London Mayor and TfL have screwed up and Crossrail is now 9 months late and expected to be delayed further. That's a loss of revenue of £125 for every resident of London pa. This has create huge extra pressures to cut services to fulfil that election promise.

So these bus changes, on top of the already reduced no.40 and 176 bus route frequencies, are part of trying to fulfil that election promise and save money for TfL to avoid fare rises.

But their are other ways to see money. The London Mayor has a number of different organisations - TfL, Met Police, London Fire Brigade to name the obvious ones and they don't share back office function, supplier contracts, or offices, etc. I'm amazed no effort is being put into this sharing.

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Regards jamesvbarber@gmail.com
former Liberal Democrat Councillor for East Dulwich Ward (2006-2018)
[www.jamesbarber.org.uk]
[twitter.com]

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by El Presidente 08 October, 2018 15:34

It is hard to draw from this thread any conclusion other than widespread and vehement opposition to changing the number 40 bus route. I would hope our local elected representatives don't let their shared politics with the Mayor get in the way of strongly representing local people's views.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by Lynne 08 October, 2018 16:24

I.m completely opposed.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by Bic Basher 08 October, 2018 17:26

The 40 would have a tiny advantage connection to Farringdon for Crossrail/Elizabeth line when it eventually opens, but to send a well used bus from ED to Clerkenwell Green where not much happens before then is a waste of resources.

messageRe: TfL plan to reroute Bus 40 away from London Bridge
Posted by ed26 29 October, 2018 14:01

First time reading this thread for a month or so since I last made a comment. Interesting to see that the unanimous opposition to this idea is viewed as "mixed feelings." I hope that Councillor McAsh will take an opportunity to raise the local community's concerns publicly rather than waiting for the outcome of the consultation.

Interesting comments from James Barber re TfL's funding. Didn't spending money that we haven't earned yet almost bankrupt the country in the late 2000s, leading to that shameful "Iím afraid there is no money. Kind regards Ė and good luck!" note? Now London has done exactly the same thing.

It reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Homer runs for Springfield council by making unaffordable promises: [en.wikipedia.org]

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