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messageThe Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by landellsrd 03 October, 2018 13:43

Hello- I’ve not been asked by The BB but I’m such a huge fan and mostly I want them to achieve their goal so that I can enjoy Begging Bowl takeaway whenever I want!!
Jane has worked very hard over the years with no investors and they want to expand the restaurant and kitchen and be able to offer Thai cooking courses, a new cocktail bar and Takeaway/ Delivery!!!! How amazing would that be.
Our area has turned into a bit of a foodie haven and The BB is a big part of that- they aren’t asking for just donations, you can buy an experience so pls sign up to receive the email, it seems weird but you can’t contribute until the Kickstarter goes live on October 8th so sign up for the email to support local innovative business!!! Click the link below to watch the Kickstarter Video for all the info!!
[m.youtube.com]

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by cella 03 October, 2018 13:55

Was there not a thread on here recently about the BB allegedly not paying their staff properly?

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by landellsrd 03 October, 2018 14:01

I don't know because I don't follow every post on the EDF but way to slander a local business! I know the head chef very well and she wouldnt do that.

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by micromacromonkey 03 October, 2018 14:11

landellsrd Wrote:
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> I don't know because I don't follow every post on
> the EDF but way to slander a local business! I
> know the head chef very well and she wouldnt do
> that.

A conflict of interest you failed to declare in your opening post ;)

I love begging bowl btw, but perhaps they can do their own advertising?

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by landellsrd 03 October, 2018 14:14

Nobody asked me to post about the Kickstarter, I put this up with the best of intentions, I love eating at The BB, I love Peckham and I know they need some help - If we support local businesses who are we going to support? Peckham and ED is a great, diverse place to live and I think all the independents make it special. XX Peace!

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by landellsrd 03 October, 2018 14:16

Sorry - - if we don't support local businesses who are we going to report...

I was worried about using the 'edit' function to amend my post lest you thought I was covering up something nefarious!!

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by landellsrd 03 October, 2018 14:17

aack! SUPPORT!
I'll stop now... :p

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by Abe_froeman 03 October, 2018 14:30

They've taken the "begging" but of their brand too literally for me.

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by binkylilyput 03 October, 2018 15:34

Why are people being such a*ses on this thread?

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by fishbiscuits 03 October, 2018 15:51

Wonderful food... always enjoy eating there, and it would be great to be able to get takeaway.

Let's keep the staff dispute a separate subject.

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by JoeLeg 03 October, 2018 15:55

fishbiscuits Wrote:
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> Wonderful food... always enjoy eating there, and
> it would be great to be able to get takeaway.
>
> Let's keep the staff dispute a separate subject.


Yeah but it’s not really is it? Because people tend to get up on their moral high horse about bad employers until it threatens a place they like.

I’ve known several FOH staff members that have been through there and as a result of what I’ve been told I’ll never give them any money.

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by cella 03 October, 2018 16:46

No idea what happened on the posted pay issue - just seems strange to have two threads saying different things. Can't ignore surely?

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by Angelina 03 October, 2018 17:06

I think it's a bit dubious that OP would prefer to come across as an unrelated third party

when they're clearly not


I do like transparency

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by landellsrd 03 October, 2018 17:25

I don’t ‘prefer to come across as an unrelated party!?’
I know Jane, I like the BB, I didn’t intend to seem shifty- I thought that by writing that I wasn’t asked to post this (because I was not) that it actually implied that I know the people who work there.
There is not some consirpacy - repeat - there is no conspiracy.
As you were! 😃

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by Sazzle30 03 October, 2018 18:03

Isn’t kick starter for new businesses? Not established ones, surely as they do so well here and with their pop up in Brompton/Fulham ( can’t quire remember) they can fund this themselves?

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by JoeLeg 03 October, 2018 19:08

In fairness - and despite my well documented disdain for this particular establishment - I can understand it. The whole hospitality/catering/pub/restaurant industry is in trouble.

When they hit small businesses like this with massive business rate increases while taking 20% VAT from all sales (5% on food and drink sales on the continent, by way of contrast) it’s pretty easy to understand how they might have a skinny profit margin. They aren’t the first to go to Kickstarter to get funding - Gary Usher is an excellent example of how it can work - and it’s probably better than being in hock to a rapacious bank which will put you into ‘special measures’ just to asset-strip your business (see RBS and their ‘Global Restructuring Group’ for examples of how perfectly sound small businesses were nailed to the wall just to pad out a bankers bonus.

If I was looking to renovate on that scale I’d probably do the same.

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by Abe_froeman 03 October, 2018 19:58

Gary Usher's campaigns have been to finance new openings on new sites and have not been without their own criticism.

For an existing restaurant I think it would be more honest to tap up your loyal supporters by charging more on the menu than raising so called Kickstarter money.

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by JoeLeg 03 October, 2018 21:46

I see your points, however firstly I’d say Begging Bowl would probably already be charging more if they thought they could, and also doing it that way you still have to give 20% of any increase to the government! I’m not sure they’re being dishonest by using Kickstarter, but I respect that others feel differently.

I agree that Gary is something of a...shall we say...Marmite individual? He certainly has his detractors, and hasn’t always handled things as well as he could!

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by fishbiscuits 04 October, 2018 10:38

Nobody is forcing you to contribute.

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by edcam 04 October, 2018 10:48

There have always been some miserable, negative dickwads here but they're out in force on this thread.

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by JoeLeg 04 October, 2018 11:57

fishbiscuits Wrote:
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> Nobody is forcing you to contribute.


And no one is forcing you to care how they treat their staff. You spend your money as you see fit.

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by dirac 04 October, 2018 13:29

Loads of small businesses do it: Brick Brewery did and that's now manifested in the new tap room and improved facilities there.
It's a way for a community to invest directly into local businesses they feel deserve it and cut out banks and what not, which can only be a good thing if properly managed.

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by Jules-and-Boo 04 October, 2018 13:41

All well and good - in which case let's hear the business put their own case forward and get their community on board.

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by Abe_froeman 04 October, 2018 14:59

It's not investing in the business though, it's just making a donation to it.

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by cella 04 October, 2018 15:02

edcam Wrote:
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> There have always been some miserable, negative
> dickwads here but they're out in force on this
> thread.


Nice. Think one of the points being made is that possibly there's an ongoing staff pay issue (though don't know if this has now been resolved) but if not then it's possibly rather inappropriate for other connected people to encourage contributions to this scheme currently.

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by JohnL 04 October, 2018 15:04

Is there a size limit then or could Starbucks use this to open a coffee house on Peckham Rye ;)

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by Jules-and-Boo 04 October, 2018 15:12

It's a crowdfunding initative for creative ideas to be brought to life - shouldn't really apply to an established business who want to raise capital without going the normal corporate funding route.

not interested for a variety of reasons.

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by pa2ita 04 October, 2018 20:57

I don't set foot on the begging bowl because I am close to some of their ex-staff and I know first hand about the treatment they've received.

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by ruffers 04 October, 2018 22:33

Jules-and-Boo Wrote:
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> It's a crowdfunding initative for creative ideas
> to be brought to life - shouldn't really apply to
> an established business who want to raise capital
> without going the normal corporate funding route.
>
> not interested for a variety of reasons.

Leaving aside the Begging Bowl specifically I don't get this. Why shouldn't an established business use crowdfunding?

I got involved with a chippy in New Cross wanted a new fryer and premises via crowdfunding.
Also a street food business wanting to set up a permanent base.
And a goat leather tannery wanting to expand its business.
And more.

What are you objecting to?

messageRe: The Begging Bowl’s Kickstarter Campaign
Posted by Jules-and-Boo 05 October, 2018 08:28

Kickstart is a campaign specifically for new startups. There are other crowdfunding initiatives but the one chosen isn't appropriate for an established business.



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