Re: CPZ: Proposed Controlled Parking in East Dulwich
Posted by Galileo
February 07, 08:02PM
> Galileo Wrote:
> > Aside from the myriad of reasons why people may
> > need to use their car, we also suffer our cars
> > being scratched and dented as people try, and
> > fail, to pass on a road narrowed by cars parked
> > each side, there is constant congestion and
> > beeping as cars try to pass, the air quality
> > suffers as cars try to pass, try crossing a
> > with a buggy where thereís no gaps between the
> > cars, try crossing a road with small children
> > where youíre all emerging from behind parked
> > because thereís no option. The effect of
> > stress goes beyond whether you can use your car
> > not.
> > Edited to add: also if you need deliveries they
> > canít park, or you have friends or relatives
> > coming to stay they canít park anywhere near
> > home, tradespeople have to park ages away, or
> > to unload tools whilst parked in the middle of
> > road and then go and park ages away and walk
> As I've previously mentioned, I walk down
> Melbourne Grove every day to get to ED station. On
> the bit north of EDG, apart from all the dropped
> kerbs creating natural gaps for pedestrians to
> cross, there is also a 10 metre stretch of road
> with a single yellow line. You can't park here,
> but there are no loading restrictions hence any
> tradesman (or visitor with small children...) can
> load/unload before reparking elsewhere. One other
> thing that I've noticed is how many of the cars
> don't move very often. If I wander down to ED
> station on a weekend I still see many of the same
> cars that I see on weekdays, which implies they
> belong to residents and not commuters.
> By the way, you shouldn't take Southwark's
> promises of 40% more parking at face value. Do
> your own research and decide whether their claims
> are realistic or not. My estimate is that if the
> CPZ proposals come in, you'll lose over 40 metres
> of current freely available parking on Melbourne
> (north side) due to the increased double yellow
> lines. That's room for 8 cars. There are also a
> couple of dropped kerbs on Melbourne which aren't
> marked on the CPZ plan, so that would be the
> equivalent of another two parking spots gone due
> to the double yellows. 10 spaces. That's a lot to
> The question you need to ask yourself is whether
> the loss of 10 parking spaces (plus the additional
> £125 per year per permit) is a good trade-off for
> getting rid of commuters.
Thanks Cardelia. Youíre right, I was giving a general sense of the wider implications of parking stress rather than only those right outside my own front door. The ones about no passing places are ones I find when Iím on other entirely parked up streets. Generally yes, on my stretch of road there are crossing places - provided cars are not waiting in them for other cars to pass, or someone hasnít just parked up there for a moment to load/unload/deliver/pick someone up etc. Crossing the street is better on our street than neighbouring streets, for example Derwent Grove - pretty much fully lined on both sides.
Yes, there is the yellow line space - this is for a care home where the residents have regular disability buses turning up to take them out - previous to this being put in a couple of years ago they regularly missed their outings because some residents were fearful of going too far to get on the bus and it was causing issues for the carers. This is often however still parked in despite the yellow line. The dropped curbs are often parked over or so close to them that one of my neighbours sometimes struggles to get her car out when she needs to. So on the rare occasion I got out in the car in the week, which I pretty much avoid doing and have to save those jobs for the weekend, I can and do unload on the yellow line, provided the bus doesnít turn up and hoping it doesnít turn up mid-unload. But then take the car almost to the other end of Melbourne Grove (down by LL) and drag the kids all the way back. Itís a great way to spend time and the kids really love waiting in the car whilst you unload then driving away from home, searching for a space and walking back home. Same for my sister-in-law if she turns up with the cousins on a Friday. She loves it at the end of a long journey.
This is on Melbourne though, I donít know what people on Derwent do if they need to unload, block the street I presume. I had to do that once (before the yellow line was put in) 8 months pregnant to get some supplies to a workman - it took 2 minutes before a man got out of his car and verbally abused me in the street for daring to unload something to my home. That was a fun moment.
As for whether weíll be able to park, youíre right, there is no guarantee and yes some spaces may be lost to yellow lines, tho for those neighbours who get blocked into their drives by people squeezing too big cars into too small spaces between dropped curbs I suspect they might have a view on whether those are bad or good, but also I understand the Council may reduce those to 1m where there is good reason so it might be worth explaining any concerns about these on your CPZ form however you vote. As it stands we can park at night and at the weekend (other than sometimes if thereís a big service at the church). The road is really quite pleasant on a Sunday. So my feeling is it will be ok. I was having this debate with a neighbour so thought Iíd get some figures - having recalled that when planning permission went in for the new house on our street they did a parking stress survey. I checked it out today and it came out at 50.6% parking stress - taken between 1am and 5.30am on a Tuesday morning (on the basis it was likely to be mostly residents parked at that time). It was 2015 the survey took place but I donít think weíve seen a 50% increase in residents with cars since then. Weíve had a couple of new people perhaps in that time?