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messageRe: CPZ: Proposed Controlled Parking 'West Peckham' (north East Dulwich?
Posted by AylwardS 04 February, 2019 14:14

Micromacromonkey and others who have filled in more than one questionnaire for a household you might want to check you are happy for either to be counted / discounted. Makes no sense to me but the various threads prompted me to look at the report for the DKH zone and it reads as if they only considered one response from each household

messageRe: CPZ: Proposed Controlled Parking 'West Peckham' (north East Dulwich?
Posted by Penguin68 04 February, 2019 14:23

I think you will find that if your street was not included in the CPZ and most others were then you would have so much displacement that you'd never be able to park.

This is saying - 'pass on distress to others - you've had your house broken into, now vote for someone elses to be broken into as well.' Somebody has to stop this rot - if we keep passing it on then the bullies win. All they want is our money, and if we can help them to get others to vote to get others robbed, then all to the better. No. The domino effect is what 'they' are banking on. If we are complicit in this, then we should be ashamed.

messageRe: CPZ: Proposed Controlled Parking 'West Peckham' (north East Dulwich?
Posted by micromacromonkey 04 February, 2019 14:44

If this was actual criminality then I would agree with you. It's hardly larceny on the part of the council though, they don't make much if any money out of these by all accounts. I'm not a fan of CPZ but, extending your analogy, since the end of Dec my house is getting broken into every day and that is surely not fair or reasonable. If your stand against the council extends to revoking all current CPZs then I'd be behind it, but don't wish to be a martyr for the cause.

Penguin68 Wrote:
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> I think you will find that if your street was not
> included in the CPZ and most others were then you
> would have so much displacement that you'd never
> be able to park.
>
> This is saying - 'pass on distress to others -
> you've had your house broken into, now vote for
> someone elses to be broken into as well.' Somebody
> has to stop this rot - if we keep passing it on
> then the bullies win. All they want is our money,
> and if we can help them to get others to vote to
> get others robbed, then all to the better. No. The
> domino effect is what 'they' are banking on. If we
> are complicit in this, then we should be ashamed.

messageRe: CPZ: Proposed Controlled Parking 'West Peckham' (north East Dulwich?
Posted by micromacromonkey 04 February, 2019 14:45

Yes I did wonder what would happen. We filled it in independently but turns out we both chose the same options! I don't suppose it matters in that case.

AylwardS Wrote:
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> Micromacromonkey and others who have filled in
> more than one questionnaire for a household you
> might want to check you are happy for either to be
> counted / discounted. Makes no sense to me but the
> various threads prompted me to look at the report
> for the DKH zone and it reads as if they only
> considered one response from each household

messageRe: CPZ: Proposed Controlled Parking 'West Peckham' (north East Dulwich?
Posted by NickDan 05 February, 2019 12:58

I live on Danby Street and am reluctantly supporting the new CPZ.

For the last 6 months or so it’s been almost impossible to get a car parking space on weekdays. Some residents now leave their bins and cones to ‘claim’ spaces, which drives other residents crazy. I had a nasty experience a few weeks back where I needed to load my car up and was waiting for a car parking spot near my house for 30 mins. When one didn’t emerge, I had to double park for 5 mins to load it up. I left enough space for cars to get past but sadly a lorry came up the road. I explained that I’d be as quick as I could, but it ended with him and his colleague threatening me and my son with violence, and recording us with one their mobile phones while the other one swore at us. It was horrible.

It’s just a shame that it’s come to this. We have a good community feel on our street. But the stress of parking is eroding that, and I want it to end now.

messageRe: CPZ: Proposed Controlled Parking 'West Peckham' (north East Dulwich?
Posted by first mate 05 February, 2019 13:04

And yet, sadly, it is quite likely all that parking stress has been created by a combination of road and parking changes put through by Southwark with the sole intention of creating a demand for CPZ.

messageRe: CPZ: Proposed Controlled Parking 'West Peckham' (north East Dulwich?
Posted by singalto 05 February, 2019 19:52

My neighbour’s have buildresin at the moment and they are ‘reserving’ a large parking space using bins 24/7. The builders’ van onlyturns up for about 10 minutes in the morning, briefly at lunchtime and for about 15 minutes at home time. Today, the van didn’t park in the ‘reserved’ space and occupied the only available space. That did make me cross.

messageRe: CPZ: Proposed Controlled Parking 'West Peckham' (north East Dulwich?
Posted by trinidad 05 February, 2019 20:25

Have residents and business people completed there questionnaire as yet?

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messageRe: CPZ: Proposed Controlled Parking 'West Peckham' (north East Dulwich?
Posted by Rosetta 06 February, 2019 14:00

Filled out the survey. Wondered what people are putting for the section that asks if a CPZ is brought in then which type/duration do they want?

messageRe: CPZ: Proposed Controlled Parking 'West Peckham' (north East Dulwich?
Posted by NickDan 06 February, 2019 14:57

We just put a few hours in the middle of the day, to try and stem the worst of it.

I wrote an email to the council a while ago, before the consultation started, about our street’s parking problems. Today someone called me to discuss. They were very friendly, and it was a very informative call.

One thing was clear from the call: the Council have had a lot of heated objections from both sides of the argument; both pro and against the new CPZ.

When they make their final decision there are going to be a lot of unhappy people - whatever the result.

messageRe: CPZ: Proposed Controlled Parking 'West Peckham' (north East Dulwich?
Posted by Mscrawthew 06 February, 2019 19:31

It seems to be the norm these days, Best thing to do is move them if and when you need to park They have no legal right to do this.

Singalto Wrote:
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> My neighbour’s have buildresin at the moment and
> they are ‘reserving’ a large parking space using
> bins 24/7. The builders’ van onlyturns up for
> about 10 minutes in the morning, briefly at
> lunchtime and for about 15 minutes at home time.
> Today, the van didn’t park in the ‘reserved’ space
> and occupied the only available space. That did
> make me cross.

messageRe: CPZ: Proposed Controlled Parking 'West Peckham' (north East Dulwich?
Posted by cella 07 February, 2019 08:49

How do you move cars?

messageRe: CPZ: Proposed Controlled Parking 'West Peckham' (north East Dulwich?
Posted by MarkT 07 February, 2019 09:02

cella, you move the bins.

messageRe: CPZ: Proposed Controlled Parking 'West Peckham' (north East Dulwich?
Posted by cella 07 February, 2019 09:04

That would indeed be easier! But what happens if you get challenged by neighbours?

messageRe: CPZ: Proposed Controlled Parking 'West Peckham' (north East Dulwich?
Posted by Mscrawthew 08 February, 2019 11:51

Tell them nicely it is against the law and invite them to call the police if they have an objection to you moving the barrier in question!



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messageRe: CPZ: Proposed Controlled Parking 'West Peckham' (north East Dulwich?
Posted by ed26 08 February, 2019 15:48

Well, as my admittedly tongue-in-cheek-but-still-valid suggestion got moved to The Lounge in amongst the chat about Word puzzles and the like, I thought I'd paste it again here. It's just a thought....

It seems that the big problem with the CPZs issue is that no one has a clue how things will turn out if they are implemented. Residents off LSL want greater certainty that parking in their own street will be easier, rather than more difficult. Others would like to know whether we can still easily stop off at the butcher's on the way to do the weekly big shop, with similar considerations for the retailers along LSL. Where will the free parking be? Where will the paid bays be? What will the CPZ hours be, etc.? Will total parking decrease significantly?

So wouldn't it be sensible for the Council to publish a proposal for the final CPZ before residents get a say on it? If (say) two thirds of respondents oppose it, then it's completely abandoned. If two thirds support, then it's approved. And between those figures, the deal could be negotiated with some alternative arrangements?

It would be a bit like a... I don't know... People's Vote? If the Council committed to respect the outcome of the vote, it would be difficult to argue about the outcome. I don't think anyone really knows whether ED supports a CPZ in general or not.

messageRe: CPZ: Proposed Controlled Parking 'West Peckham' (north East Dulwich?
Posted by trinidad 22 February, 2019 20:29

I am assuming the closing date has come and gone, anyone know what happons next?

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messageRe: CPZ: Proposed Controlled Parking 'West Peckham' (north East Dulwich?
Posted by Sally Eva 23 February, 2019 06:33

An analysis will be published. The council publishes all consultations on its consultation hub and then (some time later) the analysis and response. The Hub is here: [consultations.southwark.gov.uk] with an explanation of what happens next.



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messageRe: Proposed Controlled Parking 'West Peckham' (north East Dulwich?
Posted by rahrahrah 22 December, 2019 11:50

In Hackney they’re doing some positive things like this [news.hackney.gov.uk] to entice people out of their cars

messageRe: CPZ: Proposed Controlled Parking 'West Peckham' (north East Dulwich?
Posted by James Barber 27 December, 2019 13:16

And here - [www.suttonlibdems.org.uk] - they're looking for Parking Permit Area instead of Controlled Parking Zone.
PPA does not equal any loss of parking, doesn't have oodles of yellow lines, etc. Does have permits.

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messageRe: CPZ: Proposed Controlled Parking 'West Peckham' (north East Dulwich?
Posted by AylwardS 28 December, 2019 08:52

I’m expecting this won’t go down well, but I don’t think a CPZ is all wrong. Not all right either.

The CPZ may seem unwelcome but I think the Council is trying to resolve problems they can foresee. There were 4 consultations we responded to before zone Q was introduced and parking in the area had noticeably increased between the last two consultations.

Although referred to as a CPZ, CPZ Q has both bays and yellow lines (Pytchley Road) and permitted parking areas (PPAs) (St Francis Road). So Southwark do put in both.

I don’t know how it’s decided when a CPZ with lines and bays goes in and when a PPA goes in but from what I’ve seen PPA’s are in areas where there isn’t parking on both sides / no through roads and CPZs on roads with parking on both sides. I first experienced a PPA, though not sure we knew it as such, in the 1970’s when permits were introduced to the road my grandfather lived in near Anfield football ground where Liverpool play. I’ve lived in London for over 30 years now and CPZs outnumber permitted parking areas. It would be great if we could park anywhere but there are too many cars and enough people who will park where they want regardless of the impact on others.

Yesterday walking to Sainsburys I saw a car parked on the pavement on double yellow lines alongside the park on Abbotswood Road - there is only a pavement on one side of the road, someone walking with a stick might just have got through, a small buggy would probably have got through but the greenery from the park would have pushed into the buggy, someone using the wheels to propel their wheelchair would have scratched their hands at the least or needed to leave the pavement at the top of the road and go along the road to the next dropped kerb. Later we drove to West London and saw 3 cars double parked and another pulled up to double park in front of us meaning we had to drive on the wrong side of the road to pass.

A CPZ won’t solve all problems or work for all but unless supply and demand for parking changes and the supply is greater than the demand it needs to be managed. PPAs work in some places, CPZs in others. Southwark have reduced yellow lines and increased parking bays following consultation on all the CPZs around East Dulwich and reviews are carried out once a zone has been operating a while so if changes are made requests can be made during the review. You can also always write to the Council / Councillor any time.

I’ve also just seen that rail fares are to increase in January which I’d forgotten so that might make people drive to East Dulwich to pay for zones 1 & 2 rather than 1, 2 & 3. A CPZ will restrict parking to those who have permits otherwise anyone can park. In the overall costs of running a car the permit cost is minimal - tax / tank of petrol / insurance?

messageRe: CPZ: Proposed Controlled Parking 'West Peckham' (north East Dulwich?
Posted by trinidad 28 December, 2019 16:20

Does anyone know when the council is introducing the new zone?

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messageRe: CPZ: Proposed Controlled Parking 'West Peckham' (north East Dulwich?
Posted by rollflick February 12, 01:56PM

Peckham West CPZ is starting on Monday 30 March - hope the one around ED station starts on same date to make things simpler. Some marks have already started appearing on the roads, look out for parking suspension signs otherwise your vehicle may need to be moved to enable line painting.

Get your permits here: [www.southwark.gov.uk]
At least they're virtual these days so don't need to wait for them in the post. On street pay by phone parking will be £2.75/hour or £3.25/hour for diesel but that will rise to £4/hour from 1 April, so make the most of those last two days of March!

This is so long overdue, can't believe how the streets have become so filled with vehicles over the last decade. This CPZ should have gone in the same time as the Champion Hill CPZ, was always obvious there would be huge displacement.



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messageRe: CPZ: Proposed Controlled Parking 'West Peckham' (north East Dulwich?
Posted by micromacromonkey February 12, 02:48PM

rollflick Wrote:
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> Peckham West CPZ is starting on Monday 30 March -
> hope the one around ED station starts on same date
> to make things simpler. Some marks have already
> started appearing on the roads, look out for
> parking suspension signs otherwise your vehicle
> may need to be moved to enable line painting.
>
> Get your permits here:
> [www.southwark.gov.uk]
> ts/on-street-permits
> At least they're virtual these days so don't need
> to wait for them in the post. On street pay by
> phone parking will be £2.75/hour or £3.25/hour for
> diesel but that will rise to £4/hour from 1 April,
> so make the most of those last two days of March!
>
> This is so long overdue, can't believe how the
> streets have been filled with vehicles in last
> decade. This CPZ should have gone in the same time
> as the Champion Hill CPZ, was always obvious there
> would be huge displacement.

Next to my house there is a dropped kerb. Mysteriously they have painted the white dashed lines right up to one edge of it but have left the 2m (or however much it is) on the other side for double yellows. The propspective 2m of double yellows are directly outside my house where I'd quite like to park :D I don't want to ask them to remove them in case they instead decide to add double yellows to the other side also, thereby nicking another parking space!

Hopefully it stops all the tightwads in zone Q from leaving their car in my street now smiling smiley

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