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messageJune 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by DulwichFox 07 February, 2019 14:16

From Twitter..

It is with a heavy heart to all our customers friends and supporters over the last 15yrs June 3rd will be our last day of The Palmerston as weÖ
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DulwichFox

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by Sephiroth 07 February, 2019 14:38

That is genuinely upsetting

Was that a Parkhill property? Wonder why the lease isn't being extended

Apart from friends and family, Palmerston was one of the few businesses I miss after leaving SE22

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by DovertheRoad 07 February, 2019 14:47

A neighbourhood institution and the site of many a decent meal for me - from early days / first flat in East Dulwich in 2004 ish to kids. Gutted. Hope Jamie pops up not too far away. Thanks to all at the Palmerston for everything. Will be in to say goodbye.

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by DulwichFox 07 February, 2019 15:04

Cant believe it is 15 years since myself and many others stopped using the place.

DulwichFox

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by Sue 07 February, 2019 16:41

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> Cant believe it is 15 years since myself and many
> others stopped using the place.
>


What a charming way to say goodbye to an established and well loved East Dulwich pub sad smiley

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by mrwb 07 February, 2019 16:57

I always liked the Palmerston, although food was expensive and not somewhere to go regularly.

So much competition on Lordship Lane these days. Bonne Bouffe didn't make it either. London commercial property market probably heading for its decadal plunge in to the abyss, rents and rates unsustainable.

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by Sidll1 07 February, 2019 17:04

Ye# Dulwich Fox a good E D business is closing, 20 odd people are probably out of a job and still itís all about YOU

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by Sue 07 February, 2019 17:16

mrwb Wrote:
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> So much competition on Lordship Lane these days.
> Bonne Bouffe didn't make it either.


But in the case of The Palmerston, it seems to be that their lease came to an end and they weren't offered the opportunity of a new one.

It wasn't that they had to close because they were doing badly, I think, which makes it even more sad in a way.

Obviously I have no idea what the background to it is, whether the owner wants to sell the property or what.

It's an East Dulwich landmark, I've spent many happy evenings in there with a pint or several sad smiley

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by Abe_froeman 07 February, 2019 18:16

Very sad. Some great people working there. Will miss it a lot.

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by DulwichFox 07 February, 2019 18:18

Sidll1 Wrote:
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> Ye# Dulwich Fox a good E D business is closing, 20
> odd people are probably out of a job and still
> itís all about YOU

I used the Palmy for many many years before the Owner Reg decided to turn it into a Restaurant.

The Long term much loved Tenant Landlord Keith (No longer with us) and his two boys were evicted.
People lost their jobs too. A much loved busy local Pub was lost to make way for an expensive
eatery for the wealthier residents of East Dulwich and turists.


So NO its NOT just about me.


DulwichFox.

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by DulwichFox 07 February, 2019 18:20

Sue Wrote:
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> DulwichFox Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Cant believe it is 15 years since myself and
> many
> > others stopped using the place.
> >
>
>
> What a charming way to say goodbye to an
> established and well loved East Dulwich pub sad smiley

In the many many years I used this pub I cannot remember you ever using it.

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by PSJ 07 February, 2019 18:29

Gutted. Amazing food.

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by hellosailor 07 February, 2019 19:49

Iíve been on this forum for many years and I can categorically say itís always about you. And very, very tedious that is too.
The Palmerston is a big part of our community and itís a real blow.




DulwichFox Wrote:
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> Sidll1 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ye# Dulwich Fox a good E D business is closing,
> 20
> > odd people are probably out of a job and still
> > itís all about YOU
>
> I used the Palmy for many many years before the
> Owner Reg decided to turn it into a Restaurant.
>
> The Long term much loved Tenant Landlord Keith (No
> longer with us) and his two boys were evicted.
> People lost their jobs too. A much loved busy
> local Pub was lost to make way for an expensive
> eatery for the wealthier residents of East Dulwich
> and turists.
>
>
> So NO its NOT just about me.
>
>
> DulwichFox.

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by JoeLeg 07 February, 2019 21:10

Iím afraid Iím going to go against the flow and say Iím not sorry to see Jaime go.


I have my reasons for that.


I hope the rest of the staff find new employment quickly, and letís just say I hope they receive all wages that are owed.

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by Loutwo 07 February, 2019 22:07

I remember The Palmerston when it was a decent neighbourhood pub and I think since it became a restaurant it lost much of its community charm. It might be seen as a local institution for some, but my best memories of it go back before the reinvention. Horses for courses I suppose. I hope everyone finds re-employment swiftly.

Louisa.

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by tiddles 07 February, 2019 22:17

I understood that Jamie owned the freehold?

Perhaps going in another direction

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by Delainie 07 February, 2019 23:12

Dulwich fox, I remember Keith and his sons, he really was a lovely bloke and I remember him being devestated. As the lease isn't being offered for renewel, can someone start a petition to the owners? Just a suggestion, whether it would do any good, worth a try if it's a good place.

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by Sue 07 February, 2019 23:47

DulwichFox Wrote:
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>
> In the many many years I used this pub I cannot
> remember you ever using it.



I'm not quite sure how that would follow from what I said, but it was my partner and my regular drinking place for many years.

But presumably after you stopped going there

I would say thank God, but that would be rude.

ETA: And surprise surprise another person who left the forum seems to have returned. Oh joy.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit was 2019:02:07:23:57:14 by Sue.

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by JoeLeg 08 February, 2019 00:04

Easy Sue. Louisa is back declaring a new start. Everyone is entitled to try and start over.

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by Sue 08 February, 2019 00:08

JoeLeg Wrote:
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> Easy Sue. Louisa is back declaring a new start.
> Everyone is entitled to try and start over.


Where did she declare a new start? I must have missed it big grin

ETA: Oh, OK, seen it in the lounge. I await the posts arising from this new start with interest



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was 2019:02:08:00:23:08 by Sue.

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by JoeLeg 08 February, 2019 00:22

Whatever...

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by Alan Medic 08 February, 2019 06:31

Sue Wrote:
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> DulwichFox Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Cant believe it is 15 years since myself and
> many
> > others stopped using the place.
> >
>
>
> What a charming way to say goodbye to an
> established and well loved East Dulwich pub sad smiley

I'm similar to the Fox on this in that I don't believe I've been in there since it was a pub. I wasn't a regular but would sometimes stop off there in preference to anywhere else on the way home. Time flies.

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by JoeLeg 08 February, 2019 10:03

Ok, first of all, caveat - this comes from just one source and could well have been misunderstood or misinterpreted. That said, the source is married to a long-term employee in Jaimeís organisation.

Jaime apparently has three pub locations in London (I didnít know that) all with the same landlord, and that company has allegedly pulled the rug out from under him on all three. Supposedly theyíre saying they donít want The Palmerston to be a pub any more, though I donít know what their plans for that site is.

All in all - IF this is accurate - it sounds like Jaime just got totally screwed over by his landlords, and I doubt he had any idea; he recently spent £25,000 renovating the kitchen at The Palmerston. Now where he personally is concerned all I can say is karma is a bitch, though Iím sure heíll land on his feet, but I do feel for his employees.

To repeat, this is from just one source and English is not their first language, so itís entirely possible I have incomplete or incorrect information.

That said, what Iím hearing is that the landlord doesnít want Palmerston to be a pub location any more. That in itself would be a shame because thereís obviously a lot of people who value it, so possibly if theyíre concerned they might want to make enquiries. Hopefully this isnít a rapacious landlord looking to bring something unwanted to LL, but these days Iím not optimistic.

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by Zebedee Tring 08 February, 2019 11:58

Assuming that the tenant actually wanted a new lease, surely it would be possible for to serve a counter notice under the business tenancy provisions of the Landlord and Tenant Act 1954 (or whatever is the current legislation) requesting a new tenancy. The landlord can't just evict a business tenant willy nilly and would have to have specific grounds to do so.

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by DovertheRoad 08 February, 2019 12:01

Could it count as an asset of community value and go the ACV route?

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by JoeLeg 08 February, 2019 12:16

Zebedee Tring Wrote:
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> Assuming that the tenant actually wanted a new
> lease, surely it would be possible for to serve a
> counter notice under the business tenancy
> provisions of the Landlord and Tenant Act 1954 (or
> whatever is the current legislation) requesting a
> new tenancy. The landlord can't just evict a
> business tenant willy nilly and would have to have
> specific grounds to do so.


The Palmerston Instagram post indicates that they ďhave not been offered a new leaseĒ, which suggests to me that the lease has expired and Jaime has been invited to leave. It sounds like this is not an eviction, simply one side of the negotiation declining to continue the arrangement.

Not that it makes it any better for all the staff involved, Burt I suppose they have st least got time to look for new work.

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by jimbo1964 08 February, 2019 12:41

That is very sad news.

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by Abe_froeman 08 February, 2019 13:23

I don't really understand this. This article suggests that the tenants own the actual pub!

[www.morningadvertiser.co.uk]

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by rendelharris 08 February, 2019 13:30

Abe_froeman Wrote:
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> I don't really understand this. This article
> suggests that the tenants own the actual pub!
>
> [www.morningadvertiser.co.uk]
> 2/17/Exclusive-Host-turns-tables-on-Enterprise-Inn
> s

Think that implies that Rigby became the owner back in 2011 and it's he, not Enterprise, who were leasing it to the current occupants?

messageRe: June 3rd will be the last day of The Palmerston
Posted by Abe_froeman 08 February, 2019 13:33

Maybe so Rendel, but it says that he took over the pub with his business partner Jamie Younger.

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