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messageMan stabbed killed lordship lane / East Dulwich grove
Posted by northdulmum February 10, 07:43AM

Awful. In his 30s
2.30am this morning

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messageRe: Man stabbed killed lordship lane / East Dulwich grove
Posted by rahrahrah February 10, 08:05AM

Thats just awful. Thoughts are with his friends and family.

messageRe: Man stabbed killed lordship lane / East Dulwich grove
Posted by Serena2012 February 10, 08:10AM

Utterly horrendous. Junction of East Dulwich Grove and Lordship Lane (and a portion of Lordship Lane) is still closed.

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Posted by mrwb February 10, 08:53AM

Awful, spoke to police this morning road could be closed all day.

messageRe: Man stabbed killed lordship lane / East Dulwich grove
Posted by HelBel65 February 10, 09:04AM

Terrible news.

I was a bit taken aback to hear Andrew Castle on LBC this morning referring to ED as a rough area where you really have to watch yourself Maybe hes right after this.

messageRe: Man stabbed killed lordship lane / East Dulwich grove
Posted by Listen up February 10, 09:16AM

Terrible news, I passed through there in a cab just minutes before, it was really quiet not many people out all, perhaps due to the rain. So shocke that couldve happened so soon after.

messageRe: Man stabbed killed lordship lane / East Dulwich grove
Posted by rahrahrah February 10, 09:22AM

HelBel65 Wrote:
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> Terrible news.
>
> I was a bit taken aback to hear Andrew Castle on
> LBC this morning referring to ED as a rough area
> where you really have to watch yourself Maybe
> hes right after this.

I heard that too. He referenced it being near Camberwell and said something like you have to watch yourself down there so I get the impression it was a bit of a generic south Londons dodgy type comment rather than anything based on his knowledge / impressions of ED specifically.

messageRe: Man stabbed killed lordship lane / East Dulwich grove
Posted by Harry73 February 10, 09:31AM

Doesnt he live in Dulwich or at least did live there

messageRe: Man stabbed killed lordship lane / East Dulwich grove
Posted by Administrator February 10, 09:38AM

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messageRe: Man stabbed killed lordship lane / East Dulwich grove
Posted by Townleygreen February 10, 09:39AM

No I think he lived in Balham/Wandsworth. May still live there.

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Posted by hellosailor February 10, 10:33AM

His kids went to alleyns so he was obviously ok with the risk of having them educated In such a rough area

messageRe: Man stabbed killed lordship lane / East Dulwich grove
Posted by jamesmcash February 10, 11:19AM

(Cross-post from my own thread)

Hi all

I am really devestated to hear the news of a fatal stabbing on Lordship Lane, in Goose Green ward. I am sure many of you will have seen it in the news.

Here is a statement from the police.




A man has died following a stabbing in East Dulwich.

Police were called at approximately 02:35hrs on Sunday, 10 February, to reports of a man stabbed in Lordship Lane, near the junction with East Dulwich Grove, SE22.

Officers and London Ambulance Service attended.

The victim, believed to be aged in his 30s, was pronounced dead at the scene at 03:04hrs. Formal identification and a post-mortem examination will be arranged in due course.

Road closures remain in place around the scene.

Detectives from the Homicide and Major Crime Command are investigating.

There have been no arrests at this early stage. Enquiries into the circumstances remain ongoing.

Any witnesses, or anyone with information, should call police on 101 quoting CAD 1048/10feb. To remain anonymous call Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111

We councillors are in touch with the police and the council. I will provide more information when it is available.

Please be very wary of posting any information on here or in public as it could jeopardise the ongoing investigation.

Best wishes
James

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messageRe: Man stabbed killed lordship lane / East Dulwich grove
Posted by snoopy17 February 10, 12:17PM

Andrew castle is right it is a rough area nothing fancy, inbetween Peckham and Camberwell. only rich people consider it a posh area, its nothing special to everyone else.

messageRe: Man stabbed killed lordship lane / East Dulwich grove
Posted by rendelharris February 10, 12:33PM

snoopy17 Wrote:
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> Andrew castle is right it is a rough area nothing
> fancy, inbetween Peckham and Camberwell. only
> rich people consider it a posh area, its nothing
> special to everyone else.


ED is nothing like in between Peckham and Camberwell, they're both north of it. If anything we're between Herne Hill and Nunhead. Furthermore, it's nothing like a "rough" area - I've lived in some in South London, including Coldharbour Lane when the Yardies were in full control and shootings were commonplace, there's no comparison. Tragic events like this morning's just point up how rare they actually are in this neck of the woods, and there's no need for everyone to go overboard as they did on the (thankfully now deleted, good shout admin) other thread about this.

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Posted by sillywoman February 10, 12:37PM

Hey snoopy17 - why such a miserable attitude to this place that most on this forum are pleased to call home and raise our children in? It's not a rough area (and not in-between Peckham and Camberwell - a quick check of google maps will tell you that). In the 24 years I've lived in ED, and the 60+ years ,my husband has been here it's never been 'rough' - London is becoming a brutal city to live in and this later incident is just a consequence of that. Im not rich (I wish!) but this area is very special to me, because it's my home. This is a forum for the people of ED, if you don't like the place and consider it nothing special then please feel free to go live somewhere 'special' instead - Im sure you and your miserable negative attitude would be warmly welcomed in some special place ... somewhere.

messageRe: Man stabbed killed lordship lane / East Dulwich grove
Posted by JoeLeg February 10, 12:42PM

snoopy17 Wrote:
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> Andrew castle is right it is a rough area nothing
> fancy, inbetween Peckham and Camberwell. only
> rich people consider it a posh area, its nothing
> special to everyone else.


Someone got murdered last night. Its a tragedy regardless of the surrounding circumstances.

Using that as a springboard for your venom is despicable.

Obvious troll is obvious. And stupid.



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messageRe: Man stabbed killed lordship lane / East Dulwich grove
Posted by malumbu February 10, 01:21PM

Lived in Camberwell, Sydenham, Forest Hill, Catford, in 'rougher times'. I romanticize about Brixton when it was front line. Loughborough Junction was about the worst. But never felt unsafe. Gone are the days of brawls outside of the pubs on a Friday or Saturday night. Hardly even get approached for drugs any more (last time was Deptford). Queuing for the 363 at the Elephant late evening can feel a bit tasty, but nobody is bothering me.

Feel more vulnerable in Bromley - more because it has a territorial feel, but probably just lads our for a few drinks and on the pull reminds me of the blood baths in Abingdon where I lived in the 80s on a Friday night.

Hopefully this is a sad and isolated incident. There's been shootings down the road and in Brockley but don't fear for my life when I go there. I've questioned the misuse of 'Blitz spirit' in terms of Brexit but events like this can bring communities together.

And much much better that my few weeks in Havering/Harold Wood. That was depressing.

messageRe: Man stabbed killed lordship lane / East Dulwich grove
Posted by Romnarz February 10, 01:38PM

I heard this on LBC - described ED as Camberwell - I think its a case of anywhere south of river hear be monsters

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Posted by Jules-and-Boo February 10, 01:38PM

East Dulwich is hardly crime free or particularly safe. It's absolutely tragic that a young man lost his life but please....don't divert the attention this post needs.

It's really NOT about the debating the public perception of the area.

messageRe: Man stabbed killed lordship lane / East Dulwich grove
Posted by DulwichFox February 10, 01:47PM

Not many if not any places open around here at 02.30am

Not many people either I would of thought ??

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Posted by pinecone February 10, 01:52PM

DulwichFox, there are at least two twenty-four hour shops on Lordship Lane. Quite often, if I'm up all night working, as I was last night, I'll wander down to one of them to get some snacks for a break.

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Posted by Lowlander February 10, 02:19PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> Not many if not any places open around here at
> 02.30am
>
> Not many people either I would of thought ??

Picture on the Guardian article shows it right outside the 24 hour shop...

messageRe: Man stabbed killed lordship lane / East Dulwich grove
Posted by KalamityKel February 10, 02:26PM

If people are going to discuss this topic openly please be respectful for the grieving family. They are local and I'm sure would not appreciate the ins and out of the incident to be pulled apart and even, by some, made fun of.

messageRe: Man stabbed killed lordship lane / East Dulwich grove
Posted by MrDude21 February 10, 02:34PM

My condolences go out the the mans family, its a real shame that this has happened.



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messageRe: Man stabbed killed lordship lane / East Dulwich grove
Posted by Robert Poste's Child February 10, 02:53PM

And to the poor people who work in the shop and apparently tried to stop an argument. A horrible thing for them to have to deal with.

messageRe: Man stabbed killed lordship lane / East Dulwich grove
Posted by ianjm February 10, 03:11PM

Let me start by saying, of course this is a terrible tragedy, but I agree with those saying this doesn't mean Dulwich isn't relatively safe with somewhat lower crime than the surrounding areas.

Have a look at: [a.plumplot.co.uk]

SE22-8 has a crime level at 116% of the National Average, and SE22-9 is 97% of the National Average. This is the average for the whole country so compared to the rest of Greater London and the surrounding areas it's comfortably low.

Violent crime is 84% and 67% of the national average, respectively.

The main issue that stands out is robbery (I assume muggings) which is 6-7x higher than the national average.



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messageRe: Man stabbed killed lordship lane / East Dulwich grove
Posted by DulwichBorn&Bred February 10, 03:48PM

A complete tragedy and a life taken needlessly. Very close to home that these senseless deaths can occur anytime and anywhere.

Ive always felt safe here as I was born here so that familiarity can lure me into a false sense of safety especially when outside family members point out the crime rate here is very high compared to their areas but its hardly surprising with the shops and drinking establishments that Dulwich isnt going to be crime free.


ianjm Wrote:
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> Let me start by saying, of course this is a
> terrible tragedy, but I agree with those saying
> this doesn't mean Dulwich isn't relatively safe
> with somewhat lower crime than the surrounding
> areas.
>
> Have a look at:
> [a.plumplot.co.uk]
> =11&ct=15
>
> SE22-8 has a crime level at 116% of the National
> Average, and SE22-9 is 97% of the National
> Average. This is the average for the whole country
> so compared to the rest of Greater London and the
> surrounding areas it's comfortably low.
>
> Violent crime is 84% and 67% of the national
> average, respectively.
>
> The main issue that stands out is robbery (I
> assume muggings) which is 6-7x higher than the
> national average.

messageRe: Man stabbed killed lordship lane / East Dulwich grove
Posted by snoopy17 February 10, 04:20PM

can't believe people are acting like Camberwell and Peckham are no where near ed, from dog kennel hill both are a quick ten minute walk.

messageRe: Man stabbed killed lordship lane / East Dulwich grove
Posted by Bic Basher February 10, 04:20PM

First of all, thoughts with the family of the man who lost his life. Secondly, I've lived here since 1983 and have always felt safe here compared to other parts of London. To be fair, I now feel as safe going to Peckham or Brixton than I did in the 80s and 90s.

messageRe: Man stabbed killed lordship lane / East Dulwich grove
Posted by Alan Medic February 10, 04:46PM

HelBel65 Wrote:
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> Terrible news.
>
> I was a bit taken aback to hear Andrew Castle on
> LBC this morning referring to ED as a rough area
> where you really have to watch yourself Maybe
> hes right after this.

I listen to Andrew Castle fairly often and he is particularly uninformed for a broadcaster.

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