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messageRe: Residents Melbourne Grove, Adys Road, Bromar Road - Traffic increases due to Champion Hill
Posted by talfourdite March 19, 09:26AM

Dun, with the increasing awareness of pollution I would be very surprised to see anyone taking a car to the local shops for a very short journey, so I donít think the minimal impact on your very local car use would be a big consideration in warranting this scheme, versus the big impact from cars that to draw big detours around this closed link. Donít get me wrong, I can completely see how it would be very nice to be in an almost car free area, yet still owning a car so you can drive when you want, but I really donít think doing this everywhere is a scalesble solution for the realistic traffic needs of London.
It is so frustrating that electric car charging and free parking are not being advertised and scaled up as I feel this is just a much better longer term solution for the pollution problems. The council still seem to favour traffic calming
(Speed bumps etc) which slow cars down to a low gear and massively increase emissions.

messageRe: Residents Melbourne Grove, Adys Road, Bromar Road - Traffic increases due to Champion Hill
Posted by Dun March 19, 01:05PM

Hi yes it is surprising the number of people who still think nothing of using the car to go to a local shop (and I am not including anyone with disabilities in this). Likewise it is surprising how many people still drive their children to school. Until people readjust their thinking (as weíve had to re drink driving, wasting water, etc) then I think local govt needs to implement policies that people will be unhappy with until people accept that we all collectively need to change our thinking and use cars less and alternatives more. We all need to walk, bike, scoot, & use public transportation more. There will always be some occasions when cars are needed for health/work reasons but nowhere near as much as we currently use cars. So let local govt use trials like the one on a champion Hill to see what improvements can be made. It is a trial and everyone can give feedback.

messageRe: Residents Melbourne Grove, Adys Road, Bromar Road - Traffic increases due to Champion Hill
Posted by sdrs March 20, 03:13PM

In reality, all the Champion Hill road closure is doing is driving up air pollution on other residential roads and around our schools, stations and hospitals. The traffic hasnít dematerialised, it has simply been displaced onto other roads, inhabited and used as a walking route by many more people than Champion Hill. Thť trial is causing tailbacks of up to 600m at morning peak times (yesterday all the way from Kings hospital to past the primary school on Dog Kennel Hill) with engines idling. Bus passengers are abandoning packed buses on Grove Lane to get to work, hospital or the station on time because their buses arenít moving. This is completely unacceptable. I believe the scheme was first mooted in 2015 and rejected by TfL on the basis that it was likely to cause unacceptable delays to buses and cause tailbacks of up to 250m at a junction adjoining a primary school (Dog Kennel Hill School). The trial flies in the face of TfLís modelling and of our understanding of how air pollution affects children living and going to school on busy roads.

messageRe: Residents Melbourne Grove, Adys Road, Bromar Road - Traffic increases due to Champion Hill
Posted by Dun March 20, 05:37PM

Yes but it is early days and these delays etc are the things that make people reconsider how they use their cars. So if people doing short journeys then change and walk/bike/bus/train then it is worth the discomfort for the first few months. We need to change as a society and often people wonít change until they are made uncommfortable. Itís a trial, letís see what happens 6 months and 12 months later.
It is unfortunate they started the trial so soon after the secondary school opened as there are now 2 new changes affecting traffic.

messageRe: Residents Melbourne Grove, Adys Road, Bromar Road - Traffic increases due to Champion Hill
Posted by Charles Notice March 20, 05:48PM

Most long term Southwark residents know this is not a trial but permanent.

messageRe: Residents Melbourne Grove, Adys Road, Bromar Road - Traffic increases due to Champion Hill
Posted by goldilocks March 21, 11:52AM

The secondary school was on site after Christmas though - this marked increase in traffic only started when the road closure was put in place.

Ordinarily i would agree that changes won't occur overnight and there will be short term pain, but in this scenario its so badly thought through and in making 1 residential street less congested / polluted it has pushed extra traffic onto roads where literally thousands of children attend schools. Also because it isn't a joined up approach, it has made driving 'a bit less convenient' but not so much that people are changing behaviour. I think unfortunatly that in this fact pattern it just can't be supportable.


Dun Wrote:
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> Yes but it is early days and these delays etc are
> the things that make people reconsider how they
> use their cars. So if people doing short journeys
> then change and walk/bike/bus/train then it is
> worth the discomfort for the first few months. We
> need to change as a society and often people wonít
> change until they are made uncommfortable. Itís a
> trial, letís see what happens 6 months and 12
> months later.
> It is unfortunate they started the trial so soon
> after the secondary school opened as there are now
> 2 new changes affecting traffic.

messageRe: Residents Melbourne Grove, Adys Road, Bromar Road - Traffic increases due to Champion Hill
Posted by James Barber March 22, 08:15AM

southern Melbourne Grove seems much quieter when I was out delivering People's Vote leaflets all day yesterday. Perhaps this was part of the route people took including Champion Hill?

messageRe: Residents Melbourne Grove, Adys Road, Bromar Road - Traffic increases due to Champion Hill
Posted by Bagpipes March 22, 08:47PM

Pictures or it didn't happen. Classic Barber tweet - motivated by self interest, no evidence with a heavy dollop of virtue-signalling. Predictable.

James Barber Wrote:
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> southern Melbourne Grove seems much quieter when I
> was out delivering People's Vote leaflets all day
> yesterday. Perhaps this was part of the route
> people took including Champion Hill?

messageRe: Residents Melbourne Grove, Adys Road, Bromar Road - Traffic increases due to Champion Hillattachment
Posted by James Barber March 24, 09:47AM

Hi Bagpipes,
Does this count ;o)

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