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messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by mlteenie 25 August, 2019 07:40


messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by intexasatthe moment 25 August, 2019 09:03

From link above

** UPDATE 23rd August**
Case Officer Wing Lau has closed down the commenting system for the planning application 4 days early. When questioned, she stated that it was possible to enter comments but on a different website address. This new URL is not linked to from the planning application page so no-one will know it exists. It also does not have any of the other comments appearing there. The main planning homepage on Southwark’s website wrongly informs people to use the “old” planning register for planning application 19/AP/1867 but in fact the new comments section is on the “new” planning register. So not only have the council closed comments early, they have opened up a separate commenting section on an area of their website which contradicts what the planning page says. All of this happened on Friday afternoon before August bank holiday so there is no-one around to fix the mess before the new extended deadline of Tues 27th August is reached.

Our advice now is to email your comments to planning.applications@southwark.gov.uk mentioning ref number 19/AP/1867. Ask for confirmation they have received it as the comments section on the “old” page has not been updated for 10 days (since 13th August) so we cannot even be sure that comments being sent in are being logged.

messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by AylwardS 25 August, 2019 10:15

Inthettexas moment thanks. I’ll resend my comments to the email address - I submitted mine on 14 August as the letter we had said the deadline was 15 August

messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by sjsl 25 August, 2019 11:57

I emailed planning.applications@southwark.gov.uk with the ref number 11 August, asking for receipt confirmation in reply, not heard from them. As I'm concerned they're not logging these I have copied the email and resent via the online contact form [www.southwark.gov.uk] again asking for confirmation of receipt.

messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by AylwardS 25 August, 2019 14:20

Following the posts on here about the planning application moving and only showing comments until 13 August I rechecked and comments from 4 - 24 August are on the old portal and comments from 25 August on the new so it would appear all the comments have been lodged. I have however sent an email to planning.applications@southwark.gov.uk and copied in the Councillors for the area (Peter John, Leader of the Council peter.john@southwark.gov.uk and Sarah King sarah.king@southwark.gov.uk) about a discrepancy regarding the number of comments in the two portals and asking for confirmation all comments will be taken into account.

In case it is of interest this is what I found on the portals when I went in

The two portals show differing numbers of comments on the application and although I understand this will change the numbers don’t make sense.

I looked at the old planning portal this morning and it showed 400 Comments (Objections 120, Supporting 277)

I then looked at the new planning portal which showed 290 Comments (Objections: 36 Supporting: 251) The portal was only showing 5 comments, the earliest from 23 August.

Two questions I asked of the Council were:

1. Can the Council confirm that the deadline for comments will be extended given the issues with the planning portal?
2. Can the Council confirm that all comments submitted on either the old or new planning portal and by email to planning.applications@southwark.gov.uk will be reviewed before the decision is taken on the application?

messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by thedukeofmonclar 31 August, 2019 11:52

If you failed to get a comment into the council portal before the deadline of last tuesday don't worry. It seems comments are still being accepted here.
[planning.southwark.gov.uk]

messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by thedukeofmonclar 02 September, 2019 15:23

A letter has been added to the documantation for the application from Simon Bevan, head of Southwark planning. It looks pretty conclusive and seems to agree with everything the local campaigners have been saying. Have a read of it here.
[drive.google.com]

messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by sjsl 02 September, 2019 18:36

The letter is very good news, it seems to uphold the concerns about the MOL, as well as those raised about the arrangement, density, height etc of the new development, and the future of the Hamlet football club. I am much relieved at this detailed response.

messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by hpsaucey 02 September, 2019 23:29

Hi. I managed to add comments yesterday - 1st September (just). Didn't say anything about extended deadline but if you're thinking of commenting worth trying.

HP

messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by intexasatthe moment 03 September, 2019 08:15

duke thanks for posting link to planning letter .
It seems comprehensive .
Covers many of Southwark's concerns and the many omissions and what seems to me to be deliberate obfuscation by the developers .

messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by thedukeofmonclar 03 September, 2019 18:27

The decision is still to be made and it could go either way. In all likelihood, the developer/club will now wait to see if the application is refused and then if it is, appeal straight to the Mayor. Sadiq has a record of pushing these applications through regardless of council refusal and local objection. Also, the club have been saying they have the mayor's support. It would be useful if Sadiq heard some voices of the objectors at this point. He's unlikely to know the details of the application or the point that are controversial. The developers keep pitching it as "only regenerating the old astroturf", and talking about 'Green links'. Be good if he knew it was 9245m2 of MOL, only two thirds of which were the old pitch and that the green link was nothing more than a path through the closely clustered tower blocks.

messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by thedukeofmonclar 05 September, 2019 15:46

Oh dear, A rather partisan article written in the Dulwich Diverter out today. The first third of the article seems to be direct regurgitation of the Meadow's spin. There are some objections from Friends of Greendale, witch is good to see but the article then finishes with two supporting statements written by fans. It is the developer who has pitched this planning application as DHFC fans v local residents. Don't fall for it. We locals love the football club but don't want nearly ten thousand meters square of undeveloped greenfield MOL concreted over so developers can ignore covenants and build over the current stadium.

messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by almost peckham 06 September, 2019 09:32

Construction company proposes building multi-storey block of flats on top of a public amenity and by way of compensation offers to also build on top of adjacent open public space.

It's a bit like Brass Eye.

messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by TheTruthisOut 01 October, 2019 19:35

It's still possible to comment on this application by logging in to the new online planning register.

messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by jay66 March 09, 05:14PM

The planning application to build flats on the current DHFC stadium and part of a 4000 capacity stadium on protected land at Green Dale seems to be entering a new phase. Meadow / DHFC have been in consultation with Southwark for the past few months (hence the radio silence) and have recently issued another 100 or so amended documents. The main changes seem to be to the layout of the blocks of flats and a reduction in the number of flats and associated "affordable" housing. The plan is still to build a plastic pitch, terracing, concrete walkways on Green Dale MOL and to surround it in a high wall so no-one can see in from outside. DHFC hope that the planning application will be heard on 22 April.

You have until this Saturday 14th March to have your comments heard


[planning.southwark.gov.uk]

Local residents are concerned that hardly anyone received the letter from Southwark Council telling them that they had such a tiny window of opportunity to comment on the 300 documents. Did anyone on the Abbotswood Estate get the letter?

What's important now is that you comment.

messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by mikeb March 10, 11:55AM

The current tally is 697 supporting and 169 objecting to the development. Perhaps the football fans have been coming out in force.

messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by first mate March 10, 01:32PM

Is it one of those consultations where anyone in the borough can comment?

messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by DadOf4 March 10, 04:12PM

This !!!

thedukeofmonclar Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> It is the developer
> who has pitched this planning application as DHFC
> fans v local residents. Don't fall for it. We
> locals love the football club but don't want
> nearly ten thousand meters square of undeveloped
> greenfield MOL concreted over so developers can
> ignore covenants and build over the current
> stadium.

messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by kiera March 10, 04:26PM

Yes First Mate, anyone can comment on the planning application. You will be asked for your name and address and Southwark will probably give more weight to people who live nearby, but also, I would hope to people who use and value Greendale.

messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by Abe_froeman March 10, 06:20PM

It does look like only fans supporting the application (who would normally bother to comment in support of a planning application for property developer?)

does "I like watching football" carry much weight in a housing planning application? The supporting comments don't seem to have any other basis .

messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by katesonic March 10, 06:36PM

Can Southwark retain the broadcast rights to this venue thus opening up a commercial opportunity to retain the site for its original purpose?

Is Peter Crouch available for comment?

K.

messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by jay66 March 10, 10:49PM

Another worrying angle that makes the fans roll their eyes is that the proposed 3G pitch is made up of tons of plastic grass (that cannot be recycled) and tons of used, ground-up rubber tyres. There's a lot of concern in the Netherlands about 3G pitches as they installed so many and are now trying to work out how to remove them. The updated documents from Meadow and DHFC say that they will replace the pitch every 10 years! That's a lot of plastic. And all of this right next to a Site of Importance for Nature Conservation where endangered species live. Plus schoolkids being offered the use of the plastic pitch. No matter how much eye-rolling this induces, it needs to be talked about.

Further reading:
[fullycharged.show]
[ntp.niehs.nih.gov]
[www.dailymail.co.uk]
[twitter.com]

messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by nivag March 11, 09:29AM

Has someone got a list of which endangered species live there?

messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by BrandNewGuy March 11, 10:46AM

Here's a list (not exhaustive) of birds seen on Green Dale (other creatures and plants to follow...). Those of conservation status RED or AMBER are marked.
Red is the highest conservation priority, with species needing urgent action.
Criteria include:
- Species is globally threatened.
- Historical population decline in UK during 1800–1995.
- Severe (at least 50%) decline in UK breeding population over last 25 years, or longer-term period (the entire period used for assessments since the first BoCC review, starting in 1969).
- Severe (at least 50%) contraction of UK breeding range over last 25 years, or the longer-term period.
Amber is the next most critical group.
Green is for species seen as not under any immediate population threat.

Bar-tailed godwit AMBER
Black-headed gull AMBER
Blackbird
Blackcap
Blue tit
Carrion crow
Chaffinch
Chiffchaff
Common gull
Cormorant
Dunnock AMBER
Feral pigeon
Goldfinch
Great spotted woodpecker
Great tit
Green woodpecker
Greenfinch
Grey heron
Herring gull RED
House sparrow RED
Jay
Kestrel
Lesser whitethroat
Long-tailed tit
Magpie
Mistle thrush RED
Peregrine falcon
Pheasant
Pied wagtail
Redwing RED
Ring-necked parakeet
Robin
Siskin
Song thrush
Sparrowhawk
Starling
Stock dove AMBER
Swift AMBER
Tawny owl AMBER
Whitethroat
Wood pigeon
Wren



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messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by BrandNewGuy March 11, 10:52AM

A list of vertebrates seen on Green Dale:
Red fox
Hedgehog - of conservation concern
House mouse
Wood mouse
Field vole
Brown rat
Common frog
Common toad
Noctule bat - of conservation concern
Common pipistrelle bat
Soprano pipistrelle bat - of conservation concern

messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by BrandNewGuy March 11, 10:54AM

A list of invertebrates seen on Green Dale. An entomologist told me that about a third of this list are of conservation concern:
Bluebottle
Brown centipede
Comma butterfly
Common black garden ant
Common blue butterfly
Common carder bee
Common centipede
Common garden slug
Common green lacewing
Common honey bee
Common wasp
Early mining bee
Field grasshopper
Garden bumblebee
Garden snail
Gatekeeper butterfly
Greenbottle
Holly blue butterfly
Housefly
Jersey tiger moth
Large black slug
Long-winged cone-head grasshopper
Meadow brown butterfly
Orange tip butterfly
Peacock butterfly
Red-tailed bumblebee
Roesel's bush cricket
Rough woodlouse
Small tortoiseshell butterfly
Small white butterfly
Smooth woodlouse
Speckled wood butterfly
Stag beetle
Yellow meadow ant

messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by nivag March 11, 01:23PM

Over what time scale were these all observed?

messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by BrandNewGuy March 11, 02:03PM

All within 18 months or so. From 2014 to 2016.
And the plant list over the same period includes a black poplar, Britain's most endangered native tree:
Annual meadow grass
Apple
Ash
Black poplar
Blackthorn
Bramble
Broad-leaved dock
Buddleia
Burdock
Cherry plum
Cleavers
Clematis
Cock's-foot
Coltsfoot
Common chickweed
Common daisy
Common dandelion
Common hop
Common mallow
Common nettle
Common vetch
Cow parsley
Creeping bent
Creeping buttercup
Creeping cinquefoil
Creeping thistle
Curled dock
Common daisy
Dove’s-foot crane’s-bill
Elder
False oat-grass
Field maple
Field rose
Goat's rue
Goat willow
Greater plantain
Greek dock
Green alkanet
Hawkweed
Hawthorn
Hazel
Herb robert
Holly
Holm oak
Hornbeam
Horse chestnut
Ivy
Japanese knotweed
Lady's bedstraw
Lime
Lombardy poplar
Meadow buttercup
Meadow vetchling
Mugwort
Narrow-leaved ragwort
Norway maple
Oak
Oxford ragwort
Pear
Perennial ryegrass
Privet
Ragwort
Raspberry
Red clover
Red dead-nettle
Red fescue
Ribwort plantain
Rue-leaved saxifrage
Smaller cat’s-tail
Spear thistle
Sycamore
Timothy
Tree of heaven
White clover
White dead-nettle
Whitebeam
Wild cherry
Wild teasel
Yarrow
Yorkshire fog

messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by sjsl March 11, 02:22PM

Wow... I need to concentrate next time I walk to Sainsburys! It is a concern that the comments are listed as for or against when it's such a complex and multi faceted plan. I'm a Hamlet supporter, but can't see that it has to be at the expense of our open spaces.

messageRe: Greendale development / DHFC
Posted by jay66 March 11, 11:59PM

The letter, which only a handful of seemingly random people received, says the consultation is open until sat 14th March. DHFC are saying it closes on 12th March ie thursday... so get your comments in asap!

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